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[dije]

Quite right @alacran, I've imposed on this thread too much already. I don't foresee adding any further legal info anyway at this point, so no new thread (unless someone else wants to start one).

[dije]

BTW, having resupplied myself with a reputable 32GB Sandisk Cruzer thumb drive, Ventoy .11.0 installed and ran perfectly first time.

[alacran]

The new version is 1.0.12, for more info take a look to this post: http://reboot.pro/to...e-6#entry214867

 

alacran

[Wonko the Sane]

OK - well I guess I am guilty because last winter some temporary traffic lights by some roadworks on the only road leading into my village were permanently stuck on red. I waited 10 minutes and because it was dark and I could tell there was no oncoming traffic, so I went through the red light.

No one seemed to care even when I phoned the police and told them what I had done and asked them to send someone out to fix the lights.

 

Good, and so - since noone cared in that single occasion[1] - you decided to ignore all red lights from then on?

 

I once had a worker (an electrician) exceptionally good at his work.

One of the reasons why (besides him being an intelligent person) was that he learned (and had some 2 or 3 years school+apprenticeship) in Switzerland (where at the time - some 40 or 50 years ago - they were more advanced regarding safety). 

And I learned (a bit) from him, when working on electrical lines, the answer to the ultimate question about safety, life and everything is simple:

No matter if you have cut off power[2], no matter if you have already tested that there is no voltage on the cable, no matter what, always treat any cable as if it was "live".

 

 

Wonko

 

 

 

[1] ever heard of https://en.wikipedia...proves_the_rule

[2] standard "best practice" is to switch off the bi-polar switch to the power line you are working on AND put a piece of adhesive tape on it AND lock the electrical cabinet AND take the key with you OR use one of these locks:

 

http://www.beamsrl.it/lus2394

[dije]

The new version is 1.0.12, for more info take a look to this post: http://reboot.pro/to...e-6#entry214867

 

alacran

 

Yes, I've already downloaded it, but after reading the changelog AFAICT none of the changes/new features affect my install, so I haven't installed the upgrade yet. Just happy to have a working solution.

[themaesta22]

Change the 1st partition active and 2nd partition inactive by default (compatibility improvement).

 

Does that update the partitions when I only update my existing ventoy drive or does that only apply to newly made ones?

Edited by themaesta22, 01 June 2020 - 02:17 AM.

[ventoy]

Does that update the partitions when I only update my existing ventoy drive or does that only apply to newly made ones?

 

 Both install and update will do that.

[themaesta22]

Ah damn. I just for a bit had hoped it would only apply to newly made drives. 

I updated mine and it still won't boot in UEFI mode on my notebook (Lenovo Yoga 2 Pro).

 

 

Maybe I should try another flash drive. But the current one works perfectly on my desktop pc in uefi and legacy.

[ventoy]

Ah damn. I just for a bit had hoped it would only apply to newly made drives. 

I updated mine and it still won't boot in UEFI mode on my notebook (Lenovo Yoga 2 Pro).

 

 

Maybe I should try another flash drive. But the current one works perfectly on my desktop pc in uefi and legacy.

 

Some detail about the error?  Maybe something about Secure Boot?

[themaesta22]

There aren't really any error messages I get.

 

Secure Boot is disabled in uefi bios settings. I installed the ventoy drive without secure boot.

 

In the UEFI Bios Settings it recognized the Ventoy Drive as an UEFI Boot Device. But if I set it to boot order 1 it just gets ignored and windows boots instead.

 

If I manually open the "boot menu" upon starting the laptop the Ventoy drive does NOT show up. This is really strange since it appears in the uefi bios settings. I would have assumed that the boot menu and the boot section of the uefi bios settings are the same, but apparently not.

 

When I disable UEFI boot I can boot the drive in legacy mode no problem. But of course I'd like to boot it in UEFI mode.

 

I guess it could be the age of my laptop. It is a 2013 model and this might be from the legacy to uefi transition period. So it could maybe handle some things in a non-standard way. Especially ventoy that has a special partition structure. 

 

Or it could be that my flash drive is incompatible. Its a 128GB Verbatim USB 3.0 drive. I'll test another drive when I get the chance.

[ventoy]

There aren't really any error messages I get.

 

Secure Boot is disabled in uefi bios settings. I installed the ventoy drive without secure boot.

 

In the UEFI Bios Settings it recognized the Ventoy Drive as an UEFI Boot Device. But if I set it to boot order 1 it just gets ignored and windows boots instead.

 

If I manually open the "boot menu" upon starting the laptop the Ventoy drive does NOT show up. This is really strange since it appears in the uefi bios settings. I would have assumed that the boot menu and the boot section of the uefi bios settings are the same, but apparently not.

 

When I disable UEFI boot I can boot the drive in legacy mode no problem. But of course I'd like to boot it in UEFI mode.

 

I guess it could be the age of my laptop. It is a 2013 model and this might be from the legacy to uefi transition period. So it could maybe handle some things in a non-standard way. Especially ventoy that has a special partition structure. 

 

Or it could be that my flash drive is incompatible. Its a 128GB Verbatim USB 3.0 drive. I'll test another drive when I get the chance.

 

If there is something like UEFI shell in your BIOS, you can enter it first and try to load ventoy's bootx64.efi  and see what happends.

[alacran]

When I disable UEFI boot I can boot the drive in legacy mode no problem. But of course I'd like to boot it in UEFI mode.

 

I guess it could be the age of my laptop. It is a 2013 model and this might be from the legacy to uefi transition period. So it could maybe handle some things in a non-standard way. Especially ventoy that has a special partition structure. 

 

Or it could be that my flash drive is incompatible. Its a 128GB Verbatim USB 3.0 drive. I'll test another drive when I get the chance.

 

Evidently this is a problem in your firmware, nothing related to a Ventoy malfunction, but you may try with an smaller spare USB stick, just to see it that helps, but usually 128 GB is the problematic Bios limit to boot by USB.

 

A work around may be to enable both booting options on your firmware (CSM + UEFI) and when booting Ventoy USB do it on Bios (CSM), there is not a problem, you can use all the info you have on the USB and also you can read/write to all info on your internal HD, all modern OSs and their WimPE have access to GPT formated disks, only issue you may have is if you want to reinstall the OS on your machine, for doing this I recommend you to boot to a WimPE from your  Ventoy USB and use WinNTSetup (previously copied to a folder on your USB and ran at least once from your everyday OS to download some files/folders from MS servers), to make OS installs on the internal HD.

 

But if you have to reinstall the OS I would better prefer to back up the info and format the internal HD as Bios and install on Bios mode then all will be consistent from USB booting to internal HD booting. You only need UEFI + GPT partinion/format on disks bigger than 2 GB.

 

alacran

[steve6375]

New version of GetWAIKTools just released by JFX.
You can now quickly download Microsoft .exe files from within a cloud-based ISO.
https://msfn.org/boa...-the-huge-isos/

Version 20.06
- added -builddir:{name} command line to set foldername instead of ADK_6
- fixed range option with offset above 2GB in 32bit version
- range option supports "care.dlservice.microsoft.com" and "software-download.microsoft.com"

Examples:

First download whole ISO and get the Range values for any file you want:
iso2offset.exe G:\Downloads\14393.0.160715-1616.RS1_RELEASE_CLIENTENTERPRISE_S_EVAL_X64FRE_EN-US.ISO -UDF EFI\BOOT\*


Now use 32-bit or 64-bit version of GWT to download the file:
GWT64 -range:3464189952-3465373535 -out:"N:\bootx64.efi" -title:"Downloading bootx64.efi" -link:/download/1/B/F/1BFE5194-5951-452C-B62C-B2F667F9B86D/14393.0.160715-1616.RS1_RELEASE_CLIENTENTERPRISE_S_EVAL_X64FRE_EN-US.ISO

GWT -range:3464189952-3465373535 -out:"N:\bootx64.efi" -title:"Downloading bootx64.efi" -link:/download/1/B/F/1BFE5194-5951-452C-B62C-B2F667F9B86D/14393.0.160715-1616.RS1_RELEASE_CLIENTENTERPRISE_S_EVAL_X64FRE_EN-US.ISO

See Readme.txt file for details or type GWT /?

[wimb]

In Win 10x64 version 2004 then GWT64.exe Failed to download necessary files whereas GWT.exe is working OK

[steve6375]

In Win 10x64 version 2004 then GWT64.exe Failed to download necessary files whereas GWT.exe is working OK

That's odd. Can you report to JFX or give command lines?

[wimb]

That's odd. Can you report to JFX or give command lines?

 

Done already !  and Fixed already 

[themaesta22]

Evidently this is a problem in your firmware, nothing related to a Ventoy malfunction, but you may try with an smaller spare USB stick, just to see it that helps, but usually 128 GB is the problematic Bios limit to boot by USB.

 

You were right. I just tried a 32GB SanDisk USB 3.0 flash drive and my notebook boots ventoy perfectly in UEFI mode.

Shame that the 128GB one doesn't work on all systems, but 32GB is enough to have the most important ISO's on there.

[ventoy]

You were right. I just tried a 32GB SanDisk USB 3.0 flash drive and my notebook boots ventoy perfectly in UEFI mode.

Shame that the 128GB one doesn't work on all systems, but 32GB is enough to have the most important ISO's on there.

 

There will be a workaround about the BIOS limitation in the next release, but just a workaround.

[steve6375]

You were right. I just tried a 32GB SanDisk USB 3.0 flash drive and my notebook boots ventoy perfectly in UEFI mode.

Shame that the 128GB one doesn't work on all systems, but 32GB is enough to have the most important ISO's on there.

 I have never heard of a 128GB limit in UEFI firmware.  MBR\Legacy BIOS - yes - it is common, but never UEFI because the USB driver should be written to handle large drives.

 

I would not jump to conclusions just yet!

 

Please report all details about the system (Make, Model, BIOS revision, RAM, USB ports, how you made the USB stick, dump of partition table, etc.) - e.g. RMPrepUSB - Drive Info - 0.

 

I have seen issues where the partition table is 'invalid' because the partitions overlap or are out-of-order.

 

So maybe more experimentation is required:

1. Try all available USB ports (USB2 and USB 3, rear, left,right,front)

2. Try other systems with the 'bad' USB stick

3. Try a different 128GB USB stick

4. Wipe the current 128GB stick and remake it

[themaesta22]

The funny thing about that is, that my 128GB flash drive works perfectly on my notebook in legacy mode. 

But in the boot menu it does not show up as an EFI device, only legacy.

Even crazier is, that it shows up as an EFI device in the UEFI BIOS boot settings and I can move it to the top of the boot order. It baffles me that it shows up there, but not in the boot menu on bootup. Secure Boot is of course disabled.

 

The device is a 2013 Lenovo Ideapad Yoga 2 Pro. It only has 2 USB ports. One is 2.0 and the other is 3.0 and it has the same behavior on both ports.

 

It has 8gb RAM, i5-4200U, BIOS Revision 3.7. 

 

I made the stick on Windows 10 64 Bit 1903 at first with ventoy 1.0.10 with secure boot disabled in the dropdown menu. Then I updated it to 1.0.12 recently and it changed nothing.

 

1. I tried both USB ports, no changes
2. My main desktop PC runs fine with the 128gb stick in UEFI mode
3. I currently don't have another 128gb stick here
4. Already did, nothing changed.

 

Here is the drive info file, I couldn't attach it as a file, so I hope just code tags is ok:

COMMAND LINE: DRIVE=2 USBINFO USBSTART=0 SURE 

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Disk Signature bytes (1B8h-1BBh) = 4D 95 50 0B

Partition 1   SIZE=119967MiB   Type: 07 NTFS\exFAT  *ACTIVE*
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START POS   = CYL:495 HD:197 SEC:9       END POS = CYL:496 HD:217 SEC:24
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START POS   = CYL:0 HD:0 SEC:0       END POS = CYL:0 HD:0 SEC:0
START (LBA) = 0 (00000000) SIZE (LBA) = 0 (00000000)

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P2   Start=245,694,464 (125,795,565,568 bytes) End=245,759,999 (125,829,119,488 bytes)

Drive 2  Verbatim STORE N GO  F/W Rev.=1.00  Serial No.= [ bytes = 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ]
Reported size 125,829,120,000 bytes (117.1875GiB)  Last LBA 245,759,999
RMPrepUSB Max 125,813,882,880 bytes (117.1733GiB)  Last LBA 245,730,239

[steve6375]

Everything seems 'normal'.

Since the EFI partition is at the very end of the USB disk, is the stick fully tested (not fake or faulty)?

Does it UEFI-boot on other systems?

[themaesta22]

The stick is fully tested, I had it for years and I actually had it filled up before. I bought it here at the local "Media Markt" store, so I doubt it is a fake one. I used it before as a boot stick for my old multi boot stick that was just a modified version of the "ultimate boot stick" that made it's rounds in germany. I never had any problems.

 

And yes, like I wrote under point 2: It boots perfectly in UEFI mode on my desktop PC. Haven't tried any other devices yet, but since it works flawlessly on my desktop PC I guess there is no problem.

[steve6375]

Can you try changing the EFI partition type to  0C instead of EF?

You could use BootIce to change it.

[steve6375]

Another test.

1. Switch off Yoga 2

2. Insert USB stick

3. Switch on Yoga 2

4. Press F key to get to BIOS boot pop-up  selection menu 

 

i.e. make sure you do it from first power-on, not a reboot.

[themaesta22]

I always tried from first power on, didn't work.

I tried changing changing the ID of the EFI partition to 0C. And it changed nothing.

 

I just guess until I can test another 128gb flash drive I won't know the reason.

 

But for now I would say that my notebook just can't handle 128gb USB UEFI booting since my 32GB ventoy stick UEFI boots perfectly