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#26 firozmusthafa

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Posted 16 December 2009 - 08:03 PM

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Kind of weird that this is your first post. Most of what you say is just plain rubbish. Try googling "vmlite benchmarks". Nada, zero, zip nothing. Secondly, it IS virtualbox so it cannot really be 'better' per se, although it might provide some additional functionality.

I originally posted to clarify some issues and all I seem to be getting is FUD. What exactly is the licensing with vmlite? Does it violate the gpl or not?

There are numerous cases of gpl software being commercialised by unscrupulous people. VMlite, initially, comes across as being one of these. If that is the case then people would be better off being pointed to the original developers (virtualbox). Particularly as some of the 'features' of vmlite are actually just features of virtualbox. If not then it would be a case of simply clarifying the relationship between vmlite and virtualbox, not from a 'feature' comparison but from a licensing standpoint.

I'm not really seeing why this is so hard?


1) I didn't refer anyone to try googling for benchmark
Use your own machine and a watchdog timer, better use windows own performance counters to benchmark it, why rely on others?

2) If a parent is good why can't child be better than a parent? meaning :why can't vmlite be better than virtualbox?

3) Quality of a software and the problem of licensing are far apart (I believe it so)
I strongly feel vmlite violates gpl but...

AMD, microsoft all had problems on licenses, infact AMD created their first microprocessor by reversing the intel's own little endian cpu...
We are not denying AMD, do we?

so that's not a good reason to deny their capability, atleast doing something is better than doing nothing.

4) There need not be any relation between the number of post one makes and the quality of its contents.(No offense)

If someone knows a truth or logic which is believed to be true, there is really no 'rubbish' in sharing those with others.. :rolleyes:

#27 DikSoft

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Posted 16 December 2009 - 08:17 PM

VmLite is cool! ... It's really work! No need to activate XP, all fine ...

But , Where IS MY LPT1: PORT ?

I need WindowsXP mode only for use old LPT Flat Scanner UMAX 2000P ...
Is it possible to connect virtual XP to phisical LPT1 ?

PS Windows 7 x86 Prof , D820 CPU, i945 chipset

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Posted 16 December 2009 - 08:29 PM

VmLite is cool! ... It's really work! No need to activate XP, all fine ...

But , Where IS MY LPT1: PORT ?

I need WindowsXP mode only for use old LPT Flat Scanner UMAX 2000P ...
Is it possible to connect virtual XP to phisical LPT1 ?

PS Windows 7 x86 Prof , D820 CPU, i945 chipset


Read the reply only if your copy of windows is genuine...
Windows update can resolve majority of driver problems (check optional updates)
If that doesn't help try this....

Go to your scanner manufacturers website to find the latest driver for your windows 7, if you don't find it there try getting the driver for vista x86, download it and then go to its properties and check 'run as administrator' and compatibility set to 'windows vista' .Your scanner should be up and running

If your device is too old, then you should install windows xp outside windows 7 probable side by side and then use the drivcrs to install it.

Hope that helps... :rolleyes:

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Posted 16 December 2009 - 09:57 PM

No matter **IF** it can be done in any of the virtual machines, clearly the XPmode image (VHD) is "licensed" for use in a proper Windows 7 environment ONLY...Just because you don'tsee the EULA doesn't mean it magically doesn't exist, since you are using means other than provided by te package you download to extract and use the content.

So, (to me at least) this is borderline talking about "piracy" of M$ IP...

To me, if you want to use XP Mode, AND for some reason you want to use this VM as opposed to the real Virtual Box or Virtual PC, AND you have the right version of Win7 installed - great. Other wise, move on...

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Posted 16 December 2009 - 10:10 PM

So, (to me at least) this is borderline talking about "piracy" of M$ IP...

M$ doesn't look carefully to licenses of others when they release 'new' stuff :rolleyes: :
http://www.microsoft...5statement.mspx
http://blogs.zdnet.c...=col1;post-4489

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Posted 16 December 2009 - 11:28 PM

VmLite is cool! ... It's really work! No need to activate XP, all fine ...

But , Where IS MY LPT1: PORT ?

I need WindowsXP mode only for use old LPT Flat Scanner UMAX 2000P ...
Is it possible to connect virtual XP to phisical LPT1 ?

PS Windows 7 x86 Prof , D820 CPU, i945 chipset


Seems that LPT and USB is not supported yet.
Read more here:

http://www.vmlite.co...ll-be-supported

#32 Jotnar

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Posted 16 December 2009 - 11:31 PM

The first time I looked at the site (a month or two ago?) there was no mention of virtualbox on the site whatsoever which is in part what made it seem non-legitimate. Good for them for mentioning it now though.

#33 DikSoft

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Posted 17 December 2009 - 05:43 AM

Read the reply only if your copy of windows is genuine...
Windows update can resolve majority of driver problems (check optional updates)
If that doesn't help try this....

All of my software are geniuine... Windows Update and solution manager "think", that it's HP3220 , not Umax. But "compatibble" driver want't work. :thumbup:

Go to your scanner manufacturers website to find the latest driver for your windows 7, if you don't find it there try getting the driver for vista x86, download it and then go to its properties and check 'run as administrator' and compatibility set to 'windows vista' .Your scanner should be up and running

Scanner manufacturer is dead B) Vista drivers not exist.

If your device is too old, then you should install windows xp outside windows 7 probable side by side and then use the drivcrs to install it.
Hope that helps... :rolleyes:

Microsoft Virtual PC 2007 can solve this problem. It is not so good, like VMlite (no seamless integration) but it work! Tested yesterday evening.
I want use LPT support in VMlite. Is there any ideas ?

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Posted 17 December 2009 - 07:03 AM

M$ doesn't look carefully to licenses of others when they release 'new' stuff :rolleyes: :
http://www.microsoft...5statement.mspx
http://blogs.zdnet.c...=col1;post-4489


Well, this is opening a whole new can of worms if you go in this direction. There's a lot more material than that on the web concerning Microsoft's bad behavior over the years, going all the way back to the beginning with ripping off CP/M. I was shocked when a friend sent me a link to the documentation on the anti-trust suit which revealed a lot of really bad behavior towards many other companies. This is the kind of thing which has put a bad taste in people's mouths concerning Microsoft over the years. I was ambivalent until I read how deep it goes.

But we are supposed to be on the moral high ground. Bad behavior on the part of others does not justify bad behavior on our part. Do unto others as you would have them do unto you, not as they do unto you. This opens up the entire field of business ethics and legal right versus moral right. I think in some ways the entire concept of licensing versus purchasing is immoral. If I buy a hammer, does the manufacturer have the right to decide what I can use it for? If I buy a Windows package, does Microsoft have an ethical and moral right to say I can not install it on my laptop too? Or 20 other computers in my house if I have that many? What is the ethical justification for the one computer, one license provision?

I think that issue is pretty lopsided against Microsoft. What if you take Fair Use concepts further? Suppose the population in my town is 1000. Suppose everyone needs a shovel, but only 100 can afford to buy a shovel. If I sell 100 shovels and each customer loans his shovel to 9 friends, then the community of 1000 has been served with its needs for a shovel. So do I have the right to say that I have been ripped off for the value of 900 shovels which should have been purchased by the remaining population? After all, I did not sell them a shovel, I sold them a license to the intellectual concept of a shovel. The physical manifestation of that concept is not the relevant part. Just like the box, manual (used to be), and CD are not the relevant part of a Windows package purchase. It's not a true business loss because the other 900 people did not have money for a shovel, so if I called law enforcement and prevented the 900 people from using a shovel they did not own, I would not have increased my sales revenue, I only would have thwarted the progress and development of the community.

So what is fair use? I'm not going to claim the answers to these questions. I would like to see the ACLU take up a case like this. But again, legality is not an easy answer either as just because something is legal doesn't mean it is right. And here on this forum we have an international mix such that laws in the various countries will vary. So perhaps just render unto Caesar, and if Microsoft doesn't want us to use their products the way we want, then just vote with your feet and use another product. Yet we are stuck with Windows, and in many ways suffering the consequences of our allowing Microsoft to grow to such proportions.

My 2 cents...

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Posted 19 December 2009 - 03:59 PM

Is XP activated by default in this method?
I tried it on my Ubuntu,but XP was not activated.
I used VirtualBox.

You can get a 'free' (maybe not tolerated by the EULA) Windows XP from Microsoft for use with virtualization software without using VMLite, by following these steps:

  • Download "Windows XP Mode":
    You can find Direct Download Links on http://www.tenezo.co...-pc-and-xp.html
  • Extract the file \sources\xpm from the download file with 7-zip. For the English version this file is WindowsXPMode_en-us.exe.
  • Extract VirtualXPVHD from xpm with 7-zip and rename to VirtualXP.vhd (use .vhd as extension). The xpm file also contains a KEY file which seems to contain a Windows activating key, but I didn't need it.
  • Now you can use this vhd file as hard disk image in VirtualBox or VMware.
  • When you boot this hard disk image, you get the usual installation questions and you have to agree with the EULA :cheers: .
  • If you use VirtualBox, install the guest additions. Press the Host key (normally the right control key) together with "L", to enable/disable seamless mode.
Tested on my PC running Ubuntu ;) .



#36 DikSoft

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Posted 21 December 2009 - 05:40 AM

Is XP activated by default in this method?
I tried it on my Ubuntu,but XP was not activated.
I used VirtualBox.

Yes.
Windows 7 Prof - host, VMlite , WindowsXPmode - guest. After first start Windows XP prof does not requie activation (already activated)

#37 huisinro

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Posted 23 December 2009 - 07:22 AM

The other related product, VBoot, might be of special interests to this community. It can boots XP/Vista/7/Linux from a single VHD file.

http://www.vmlite.co.../products/vboot

screenshot:

http://www.vmlite.co...oot/screenshots

#38 agni

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Posted 23 December 2009 - 07:56 AM

Where can I download vboot?
I cannot see any download link at http://www.vmlite.co.../products/vboot

#39 huisinro

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Posted 23 December 2009 - 05:14 PM

Trial version of VBoot is not yet available, will take a couple of more months.

More info here:

http://vmlite.com/in...the-xp-vhd-file

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Posted 21 January 2010 - 11:19 PM

Check this out.... Added 1/17/2010

http://www.vmlite.co...ex.php/download

VMLite XP Mode Plugin for Sun VirtualBox v3.1.2 binaries (x86/amd64), this is the only authorized download source. Only registered users could download this file. Please login first or register if you have no account yet. You must provide a valid email address to register first.

#41 agni

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Posted 28 February 2010 - 07:52 AM

VMWare supports XP Mode without hardware virtualization.
Read more here

http://agnipulse.com...-0-and-xp-mode/
http://www.howtogeek...virtualization/

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Posted 13 April 2010 - 03:36 PM

Microsoft has officially released an Update for Windows 7 that allows users to install XP Mode on computers that do not support Hardware Virtualization
Update for Windows 7 (KB977206)
Update for Windows 7 for x64-based Systems (KB977206)

http://agnipulse.com...virtualization/




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