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#1 Lancelot

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Posted 05 November 2009 - 03:37 PM

An Idea:

What about having a subsection for the topics of "Distribution of files"

maybe somehere at Boot Land > Groups > Community forum

some ideas:
Boot Land > Groups > Community forum > Hello world! > Distribution
Boot Land > Groups > Community forum > Hello world! > Copyright
Boot Land > Groups > Community forum > Hello world! > Legal Issues


Reason 1:
So far I read many interesting discussions about these stuff, lately
http://www.boot-land...?...ic=9627&hl=
it is hard to find them again since topics opened on the sections where problem happens but in fact all are same discussions.

Reason 2:
Sometimes a topic goes "out of topic" with the similar distribution posts.
A recent example here (post 6 7 8) at NT 6.x fast installer: install win7 directly to usb extenal drive topic
It will be better to move the posts from these topics to a new topic and continue posting there

Reason 3:
DO NOT ever think this discussion ends, it will always comes back with new users, new occasions etc.


How about:
Boot Land > Groups > Legal

Would this work?

Can we have a new topic to discuss your request in detail?

:(


Edit: 20091223 : Reason 2 and 3 added :thumbup:.

#2 was_JFX

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Posted 23 December 2009 - 07:24 PM

Reason 2:

There never, was any link which contains non redistributable files.

Someone (the human incarnation of the board rules ;) ) overreacted as usually, about a harmless comment by me. :)

a lot of good things may never found the way to boot-land forum, by this reason.



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Posted 23 December 2009 - 07:32 PM

This is interesting and I think changes all the discussion.

I remember an occasion, where a user introduce a builder of his own, and from first post of introduction it was verrrry suspcious (%95) that package contains undistributable files, but jacklaz waited a looong time (a day (or half a day) I guess) (package too big ~450MB) until some replies came to the topic and THAN he removed the link.

On this occasion, With your clarification, I guess Ferrari driver jacklaz was too fast and missed the Red Light (A human can react only 1/5 of a second but this is a Ferrari ;))

Well, This proves that jacklaz is only human :) :)

and a question, did link came back or still missing ?

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Posted 23 December 2009 - 09:14 PM

Should we receive Jaclaz in our boxing club?
:)

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Posted 23 December 2009 - 09:43 PM

Before we receive Jaclaz into our club, and he spends blue noses for some of us, my personal opinion about attachements:

We do not have 'official watchdogs' to certify every new script about legality of attachements.

(Jaclaz wrote something like "If I see ...")

IMHO attachements shold be ONLY author's self written apps or control files, nothing else.

That could make the "legality" issue much easier.

And that also would make download time much shorter.

I remember today when I for a test made a fresh "recommended" download of Win7RescuePE and could enjoy a 5(?) minutes download (high speed DSL!) of SpybotSD script (43 MB!) which I never want to use :)

Therefore I suggest an additional section about Attachements due to "Necessary" or "Allowed" or "Cooperative scripts" or ??? :dubbio:

Maybe I'm the only Dinosaur with this uncomfortable opinions:
Not the project's author decides what the user needs. Sometimes a user is adult, intelligent, etc. ...

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Posted 23 December 2009 - 10:03 PM

IMHO attachements shold be ONLY author's self written apps or control files, nothing else.

That could make the "legality" issue much easier.

And that also would make download time much shorter.

Peter

:dubbio: Peter, do me a favor. Go out on the net and download a bunch of those nice BartPE plugins, that come without files.
They download really fast and are all completely legal!
Then tell me the time it took you, till you had all the required files to make a first successful build. :)

I remember today when I for a test made a fresh "recommended" download of Win7RescuePE and could enjoy a 5(?) minutes download (high speed DSL!) of SpybotSD script (43 MB!) which I never want to use :)

One question! ;)
Why did you download the script if you didn't plan on using it? ;)


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Posted 23 December 2009 - 10:15 PM

Why did you download the script if you didn't plan on using it? :)

When I test something in a project, I'm a "stupid user"
And I go to "download", trust that "recommended" is ok for me, and click the "Download" button.

Give me only ONE comment of a "stupid user" that he went through the list of nearly 100 "recommended" scripts and decided, that he does not want a special one!

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Posted 23 December 2009 - 10:34 PM

:dubbio: Peter, do me a favor. Go out on the net and download a bunch of those nice BartPE plugins, that come without files.
They download really fast and are all completely legal!
Then tell me the time it took you, till you had all the required files to make a first successful build. :)

You miss the issue!

Maybe (Sorry, I do not want to perform your suggested test) it needs a long time to download everything LEGALLY.
But I do not agree to "skip the (LEGAL) download" by "ILLEGALLY included Download results"

Saving time is NEVER a reason to switch from legality to illegality!

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Posted 23 December 2009 - 11:08 PM

Since you didn't try the suggested test, you unfortunately completely missed the point.
For the majority of plugins, you can't get the required files anymore, because those versions are long out of print or even the 'company' has vanished.

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Posted 23 December 2009 - 11:11 PM

Since you didn't try the suggested test, you unfortunately completely missed the point.
For the majority of plugins, you can't get the required files anymore, because those versions are long out of print or even the 'company' has vanished.

:)

;)
So it is a question of WinBuilder Script Developer's Quality, to hold links actual :dubbio:
That can, but should not be done by attaching binaries to the script.

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Posted 23 December 2009 - 11:28 PM

Ok, when is the big public script burning? :)

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Posted 23 December 2009 - 11:43 PM

With my experience here, :) I'm afraid:
Never

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Posted 24 December 2009 - 10:25 AM

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Should we receive Jaclaz in our boxing club?

His club is older than ours and Jaclaz always wins, it is not fun :) ;) But since Jaclaz is "only human" we can try time to time :dubbio:

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Attachments in scripts:

So it is a question of WinBuilder Script Developer's Quality, to hold links actual :)

It is not that easy, writers would like their script always work at least with the version it was written to instead of updating links (and webget routines and extract routines) all the time.
I agree with MedEvil, as long as files are distributable I support to attach files in boot-land. Reminding there is also "out of boot-land" option available for other kind of attachments.
This assures script always work with the version it is written to and when the author goes away for a while (or looonger) script cause no trouble, and if the writer is around (and active) s(h)e can update the script due to version change.

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SpybotSD.script:
I agree, it should be Download_Level=2

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Project ingredient:
It is up to the project admin. s(h)e may decide to add 100 scripts each have 40MB attachments (assuming redistributable) thinking they are essential for his/her project goals. Also there are some collection servers, ludovici.winbuilder.net is a leopard2 collection server aiming users collect additional scripts easier (+some configurations) which is currently ~641 MB. This is all about "hope", "purpose" , "choice" and "emotions" ;) :) (check the end of matrix-explained )

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Posted 24 December 2009 - 11:39 AM

Ok, when is the big public script burning?

That's what I call christmas spirit.. :dubbio:

I also don't like 40Mb scripts. This reminds of the linux OS that was distributed with VistaPE a good while back and took me so long to get something that I didn't really see any added value (for me).

The only right answer to this question is: "It depends".

Depends if the script is indispensable
Depends if it can be distributed
Depends if there is interest from the users
Depends if there is no other way to keep it simple
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About the topic question that brought us here, perhaps one single section could be added?

With a title such as "Legal matters and common sense"?

Please indicate other section titles if you wish.

:)

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Posted 24 December 2009 - 12:03 PM

With a title such as "Legal matters and common sense"?


I guess that "Legal matters and UNcommon sense" might be better representative of the obvious lack of diffusion of what is normally otherwise called "common sense". :)

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