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#1 Nuno Brito

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Posted 02 October 2009 - 10:37 AM

It's election time and Boot Land is currently ranked as #12 on the xmarks worldwide category for boot disks.

This hardly seems like a fair score.

Care to do something about it?

All you need to do is vote and write one or two words regarding what you think about this site.

Here is the site link:
http://www.xmarks.co...w.boot-land.net

Thank you!

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Posted 02 October 2009 - 10:52 AM

All you need to do is vote and write one or two words regarding what you think about this site.


Is a review like this wanted ?

"best content available - but the site is not easy to use and needs a lot of patience from the visitor"

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Posted 02 October 2009 - 10:55 AM

Put an honest review.

If that is your opinion and also the way how you'd like new visitors to be introduced on Boot Land, so let it be.

:D

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Posted 02 October 2009 - 11:10 AM

No - I will not vote there - no use in discouraging new visitors ;-)

Also I would not give a cent for having a high rate on that site - have you seen that they list Hirens CD as number 3 in Boot-CD ?

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Posted 02 October 2009 - 11:48 AM

It's election time and Boot Land is currently ranked as #12 on the xmarks worldwide category for boot disks.

Actually right now if you go to xmarks, and search for "bootdisk" or "bootdisks":
http://www.xmarks.com/topic/bootdisk
boot.land is #34 and there are two link, #19 and #33 for the "unameable" re-known WAREZ release site.

The #12 position is ONLY for "Boot Disks" (and the unnameable is #11)

I guess that the above tells enough about the dependability of such a source.

This hardly seems like a fair score.

Does it? :D

Exception made for the pre-made build by Amalux, I can see very few or no people (I mean among the same kind of morons real newbies that would actually trust such a mechanism), i.e. installing on their PC yet another perfectly unuseful program, actually succeeding in building a bootdisk using Winbuilder.

In all fairness, and notwithstanding the fact that I don't particularly like the "environment", UBCD and UBCD4WIN have much more merits when it comes to making a bootdisk.

We should vote for abolishing this kind of things, not encouraging/supprting or even mentioning them:
http://www.xmarks.com/about/company

About Us

Xmarks was founded in 2006 under our original name Foxmarks. Our bookmark sync browser add-on is one of the most popular in the world with over fourteen million downloads and counting. Xmarks is available as a free add-on for Firefox, Internet Explorer, and Safari (Mac OS) and can be downloaded here.

With the launch of Xmarks, we now offer an exciting new bookmark-powered web discovery service. Xmarks helps you uncover the best sites on the web based on what millions of people like you are bookmarking in their web browser. Our products are actively used in over three million browsers and we manage over half a billion bookmarks for our users. We extract anonymous information from that corpus of bookmarks to provide web site information and similar site recommendations.

Xmarks is a privately held startup backed by Redpoint Ventures. We are headquartered in a beautiful eco-friendly building in downtown San Francisco.

Our Discovery Technology

At its core, our discovery technology is powered by the hundreds of millions of bookmarks we manage for our users. By analyzing bookmarks we can determine the popularity of a web site based on how frequently it is bookmarked and what topics a site is about based on bookmark folders and tags. We also recommend similar sites based on how bookmarks are grouped into folders. We think of bookmarks as “votes”, and we’ve built some state-of-the art algorithms to effectively tally those votes to find the best sites across a wide range of topics.


Basically the idea is that the more people bookmark sites (which is called popularity, due to the fact that you do not know whether the one bookmarking is a total incompetent or not) the more you increase the popularity of the site, i.e. you have created a perfect self-referencing mechanism driven by the (normally and statistically proven to be mainly not knowing what they are doing) masses.

Popular comes from populus, and has TWO meanings, of which the second one is the one to be taken into account in this context:
http://thesaurus.ref.../browse/popular
is ordinary:
http://thesaurus.ref...browse/ordinary
which again is has TWO meanings, of which the second is the one that applies:

#1 Main Entry: ordinary
Part of Speech: adjective
Definition: common, regular
Synonyms: accustomed, customary, established, everyday, familiar, frequent, general, habitual, humdrum*, natural, normal, popular, prevailing, public, quotidian, routine, run-of-the-mill, settled, standard, stock, traditional, typical, usual, wonted

#2 Main Entry: ordinary
Part of Speech: adjective
Definition: average; not distinctive
Synonyms: characterless, common, commonplace, conventional, dull, fair, familiar, garden variety, garden*, generic, habitual, homespun, household, humble, indifferent, inferior, mean, mediocre, modest, no great shakes, normal, pedestrian, plain, plastic, prosaic, quotidian, routine, run-of-the-mill, second-rate, simple, so-so, stereotyped, undistinguished, uneventful, unexceptional, uninspired, unmemorable, unnoteworthy, unpretentious, unremarkable, usual, vanilla, white-bread, workaday


Mechanisms like the xmarks are in my view simply methods to promote mediocrity. :D

At least in my view, that is EXACTLY the opposite of what boot-land and it's members are trying to do.

Popular is not necessarily an antonym of "good", but if it is not, it is because popularity CAME from being "good", not because a stupid bookmarking site rates it better or worse than another.

Someone put it nicely in the past:

Seek not the favor of the multitude; it is seldom got by honest and lawful means. But seek the testimony of few; and number not voices, but weigh them.


The truth, of course, is that a billion falsehoods told a billion times by a billion people are still false.


and of course, the only reason why I bring up this:
http://homepages.tes...oolishness.html

:D

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#6 Nuno Brito

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Posted 02 October 2009 - 12:46 PM

Yes, all very valid arguments.

But the truth remains that the unnameable option will be listed on upper positions and obfuscate the efforts put into a legal solution.

This is the reason why such ranks matter if people never heard anything about unnameable vs legal solutions and will only trust on the reviews from other users.

:D

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Posted 02 October 2009 - 01:33 PM

why not ask the folks at xmark why they rate warez so high ?

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Posted 02 October 2009 - 02:10 PM

But the truth remains that the unnameable option will be listed on upper positions and obfuscate the efforts put into a legal solution.

That is not "the truth", that is how things go, which is different. :D



This is the reason why such ranks matter if people never heard anything about unnameable vs legal solutions and will only trust on the reviews from other users.

Yes, and that is the reason how we should take position AGAINST this kind of approach, by writing them asking to remove bookmarks to WAREZ that "pollute" results, mixing "rightful" and "good" sites, like UBCD, UBCD4WIN, 911CD and boot-land with "wrongful" ones.

Just imagine the outcome ;):
  • "xmarks.com accused to list Warez sites" (if the request is NOT - as it won't be - fulfilled)
  • "xmarks attempts at the freedom of the internet by removing popular sites from its ranking" (should - as it won't be - such request fulfilled)

Personally, I don't particularly "like" the DMCA and I personally find that most of the Trademark or Copyright holders fail to properly defend their intellectual properties, but even from the way the DMCA Notice is worded (as well as the "Third-Party Links":
http://www.xmarks.com/about/terms
they do not care a damn about what they "rate", they simply collect information from users (supposedly in anonymous and as aggregate data only :D) and assemble them, this info is worth NOTHING, if not for statistical reasons, it is NOT a "directory" it is a form of search engine.

And this brings us back (or forward ;)) to Google:
http://homepages.tes...ess-metric.html

Same concept apply, being highly ranked in xmarks is a meaningless metric, and for the reason exposed I won't personally contribute in any way to it.

;)

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#9 Nuno Brito

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Posted 02 October 2009 - 03:22 PM

why not ask the folks at xmark why they rate warez so high ?

It's the mainstream solution.

At least here in Portugal, it's a common practice to lend boot CD's instead of learning how they are done in the first place, which does make some sense if you're only looking for something that "works".

Asking to remove the unnameable software is also not a sense of fair competition. If Boot Land is to develop and present better solutions, they should compete against whatever is used in the real world to address these issues being legal or not.

If wb and other projects need to be worked to be simpler and readier for the main public, this is a nice incentive to keep up the good work.

:D

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Posted 02 October 2009 - 03:41 PM

If Boot Land is to develop and present better solutions, they should compete against whatever is used in the real world to address these issues being legal or not.


As much as "hard work" has to be, to be fair following your approach, valued the same as "stealing".

I don't see why "being cruel to animals" (or "torturing human beings") can't be put on the same level of "caressing a little furry creature" or "helping your next to kin". :D

I presume that torture is a pretty effective means of getting informations and definitely surclasses simply "asking a few questions", when it comes to results.

And it is also used a lot all over the world, (read as "it's a popular way to get what you want") but this shouldn't allow for "competing" with it through "persuasive questioning", because you would lose anyway.

Before you will accuse me of comparing apples with oranges, let's make another example, less extreme.

It is "mainstream" or "popular" in many countries to litter the streets with paper, chewing gums, and what not.

Does this mean that because everyone else does that (and yes, it "works" much better than putting that in your pockets and wait until you find a wastebin) youshould not refrain form dirtying the street?

As said in some other place, we have a lot of sticks and a lot of sand, it's a personal choice to draw lines (and later avoid crossing them) or not.

If wb and other projects need to be worked to be simpler and readier for the main public, this is a nice incentive to keep up the good work.


.... waiter come taste this soup....

:D

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Posted 02 October 2009 - 04:39 PM

Does this mean that because everyone else does that (and yes, it "works" much better than putting that in your pockets and wait until you find a wastebin).


Well.. this wouldn't exactly be a comparable situation would it? :D

In countries such as Germany it's common to hear stories where those who throw litter to the street or pass a red light in street are quickly labeled as unpleasant elements and pass onto the element a feeling of shame for it's actions but in countries such as my own or even yours - it's a known fact that people will often even take pride in getting away with things like that.

It's not easy to educate and change people's habits but that is no reason to stay absent from trying.

There is no notion of right or wrong ideas passing through the head of those visitors. There's only a ranked list of options regarding which boot disk website to try out and they'll use whatever is presented as being the best possible solution for their case.

Should the unnameable site be scoring on the top positions? Should it be censored? Should we do nothing?

A lot of opinions for sure, but while time passes we'll be missing an opportunity to let people know something like "Hey, we're here. It's not illegal" rather than nodding the head and do nothing about it.

:D

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Posted 02 October 2009 - 04:47 PM

A lot of opinions for sure, but while time passes we'll be missing an opportunity to let people know something like "Hey, we're here. It's not illegal" rather than nodding the head and do nothing about it.


Yep, but you DO NOT fill the streets with leaflets (possibly dropped from an helicopter) with this text:

DON'T LITTER STREETS!
Throwing papers on the street is a sign of bad education, and of lack of respect for the environment you live in!
Please use wastebins.

in order to try and educate people.

:D


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Posted 02 October 2009 - 06:20 PM

eheh.. :D

That's a good point! :D

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Posted 03 October 2009 - 03:25 AM

well this is the best site i have ever been. my vote is with boot-land always

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Posted 03 October 2009 - 05:37 AM

boot land actually provides what they claim to !!! THE ONLY boot site !

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Posted 03 October 2009 - 10:52 AM

My thanks to everyone for all the nice words and interesting discussion.

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Posted 03 October 2009 - 02:05 PM

I would like to chime in on this, coming from using BartPE and Reatogo, being a newbe to Winbuilder. This site has much more to offer than most other sites I go to. The programmers working on all of these projects are top notch.
This site is much more cutting edge than any other site out there. It is easy to navigate and has tons of resources.
It should be number one.
Thanks to everyone for all the hard work.

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Posted 04 October 2009 - 03:10 AM

Hi to ALL...

I don't want to vote from that SITE.
I want it HERE...


I agree with crt60...
For me its the B.O.B (Best Of the Best) in making a CUSTOMIZE RESCUE CD (even UFD).
The environment of these rescue cd is much or almost CLOSER to True XPRO (SP2) OS. (if you included the "XP Style" theming and the logon "BootScreen". He...he... :D
SHAME on that SITE..... :D ;) ;)

Ariom




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