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#1 DaemonForce

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Posted 01 October 2009 - 03:40 AM

I used to put WinBuilder in a directory on one of my work disks but it's been long gone. I think it was build 0.70 but I don't remember the details. I remember there being a project directory with the PE2USB GUI. It gave me more options than the current build. I remember being able to write MBRs with it. Can anyone upload it?

Failing that, what does everyone here now use to rewrite MBRs? :whistling:

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Posted 01 October 2009 - 05:25 AM

What about hdhacker? Or what about RMPrepUSB: http://www.boot-land...?showtopic=7739

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Posted 01 October 2009 - 05:36 AM

I have just tested BootICE to no help. I remember using RMPrepUSB before but couldn't use it right. I'll try it again. I really need to get this done soon. It should have been done 12 hours ago. :whistling:

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Posted 01 October 2009 - 06:04 AM

RMPrepUSB works but still with unfavorable results.

NTLDR not found...
Ctrl+Alt+Del...

I copied NTLDR, NTDETECT and IO.SYS and I get an error that says the BOOT.INI is incorrect. That all gets wiped by an error message that says <windows>\system32\ is missing.

All I'm trying to do is copy the damn installation media. I don't need all of this.

The device is a SD/MM device that shows up as a USB-ZIP Removable drive under info. What are the settings I'm supposed to use? There are too many.

Ugh, I've hit every error. I went back to my U3 Cruzer and I'm getting the same problem. So it's not the fault of the hardware. I'm starting to think a few people took off before they could plant both feet on the ground.

Just give me the old PE2USB tool. I can't get any of my stuff bootable now and that was the tool that just got the job done. I've wasted my entire day trying to get this damn thing to work and I feel cheated. Good night. :\

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Posted 01 October 2009 - 08:27 AM

I copied NTLDR, NTDETECT and IO.SYS and I get an error that says the BOOT.INI is incorrect. That all gets wiped by an error message that says <windows>\system32\ is missing.

Sure. :whistling:

What the heck are you trying to boot? ;)

NTLDR+NTDETECT.COM+BOOT.INI=NT based system NT4/2K/XP/2003

IO.SYS+MSDOS.SYS+COMMAND.COM= DOS

Pe2usb is pe2usb.cmd, a batch file included in BartPE.

You might be talking about PEtoUSB.exe which is here:
http://gocoding.com/....php?al=petousb

More details/history here:
http://www.boot-land...?...c=2252&st=5

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Posted 01 October 2009 - 11:03 PM

What the heck are you trying to boot? :D

READ! :D
Device 1: U3 Sandisk Cruzer 1GB
Device 2: OCZ ChipDisk 2GB
Goal: A straight-over copy of Windows Server 2003 Enterprise Installer.

Pe2usb is pe2usb.cmd, a batch file included in BartPE.

I don't use BartPE. PE2USB is an experimental device that looks and functions similar to PEtoUSB but the options don't suck so much. It was in a tool repository of WinBuilder. It was what I used to make a SanDisk Cruzer bootable.

I'm going back to work on this and I'm finishing research today. This eats too much of my limited time. ;)

And...I realize the irony in that. :D

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Posted 01 October 2009 - 11:32 PM

READ! :D

Check my favorite rule 12 at forum rules

It was in a tool repository of WinBuilder. It was what I used to make a SanDisk Cruzer bootable.

Where is this tool ? anyone knows ?

Goal: A straight-over copy of Windows Server 2003 Enterprise Installer.

I understand, your goal is installing 2k3 from your ufd to a pc. If i understand right: You need to go through some steps And Step 1 is making your ufd bootable :D.

Check here
http://www.msfn.org/...p-usb-f157.html

Maybe wimb's utility may help for 2k3 (wimb's utility also makes ufd bootable)
http://www.911cd.net...showtopic=22857

Maybe I understand wrong. If so Bette you explain what you are trying to do as simple as possible.

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Posted 01 October 2009 - 11:36 PM

Check my favorite rule 12 at forum rules

Doesn't exist this week. Maybe later. :\

Where is this tool ? anyone knows ?

I wouldn't be asking about it if I knew. More than likely it got replaced by something new and got thrown out with the rest of the garbage.

The site is completely unusable right now. I'm not sure how I'm able to post this.

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Posted 01 October 2009 - 11:40 PM

Doesn't exist this week. Maybe later. :\

I dont understand this..

The site is completely unusable right now. I'm not sure how I'm able to post this.

Which site, boot-land ?

I wouldn't be asking about it if I knew. More than likely it got replaced by something new and got thrown out with the rest of the garbage.

Than simply FORGET it. Follow the methods written to you to make 1st your ufd bootable 2nd making XP/2k3 install from ufd (If i understand right).

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Posted 01 October 2009 - 11:48 PM

I dont understand this..

Work sucks.

Which site, boot-land ?

Yes. Half the pages are down.

Than simply FORGET it. Follow the methods written to you to make 1st your ufd bootable 2nd making XP/2k3 install from ufd (If i understand right).

That's what is difficult. I can't seem to get any of the new stuff to work. Even my U3 Cruzer refuses to boot. That device is proof that a straight CD copy can be made and that Windows PE boots from USB media. It was also an early reference to making Windows Longhorn bootable via USB. Looks like I'm fighting yet another uphill battle this week.

The UFD is bootable but the settings don't match what I first used. It looks like I'm locked with WinPE for now.

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Posted 01 October 2009 - 11:51 PM

Yes. Half the pages are down.

which page, current page or ?

It looks like I'm locked with WinPE for now.

So you can now boot your ufd with vistape but want to boot sth else. how do you boot vistape that, with grub4dos or ?

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Posted 02 October 2009 - 12:00 AM

which page, current page or ?

The tutorials I've been trying to open for 3 days.

So you can now boot your ufd with vistape but want to boot sth else. how do you boot vistape that, with grub4dos or ?

No No NO! :D
I will not touch Grub4DOS or SYSLINUX or ISOLINUX or whatever. I can't remember how to use them since my first beta build of DARCIE Candidate 0. It was based off of CD Shell and it made everything EASY.

I do not cross into current day NT6 territory.
My reference is strictly to the NT 5.2 platform. I'm not even going to assume anyone is using VistaPE or Windows 7 with that terrible bootloader. It hijacks the NTFS partition to the point where I can't use it for other systems.

Windows PE 1.8
Unknown Microsoft Build
Source Copy: Windows Server 2003 Enterprise SP2 (x86)
Created September 14 2009.

I have a disk with a purpose for this. I need to make another disk with the purpose of a straight CD install. WinPE doesn't belong on the system. There is nothing to prep and there is nothing to configure.

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Posted 02 October 2009 - 12:11 AM

My reference is strictly to the NT 5.2 platform.

Wimb's tool which i already have link makes your ufd bootable with nt 5.2 which jaclaz already pointed NTLDR+NTDETECT.COM+BOOT.INI

AFTER having a bootable ufd, rest is what you want

I need to make another disk with the purpose of a straight CD install.

with ufd you cant make a straight CD install, you need to follow advices, 1) use wimb's tool OR 2) use DOS method OR 3) use firadisk method OR 4).......... (for links, please search with google) OR you can make a google kungfu with sth like this http://www.google.co...u...oq=&aqi=g10

or maybe what you are looking for is this http://www.tech2chec...m-usb-with.html

Well It is very difficult to understand you, I give up but i tried :D

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Posted 02 October 2009 - 12:34 AM

Wimb's tool which i already have link makes your ufd bootable with nt 5.2 which jaclaz already pointed NTLDR+NTDETECT.COM+BOOT.INI

Why do I need all of that in the root? Isn't a bootsector enough to point to the setupldr?

Yes I know it's a weird question but I'm only asking because I have completely unassembled this OS only to find the weird point-to's and directories that MS wanted to keep open for "future builds" should something happen(and it did :D ).

Well It is very difficult to understand you, I give up but i tried :D

All that other stuff is pointless to me. I am familiar with El Torito stacks so making CDs is all I know about this. I've used numerous stacks of boot code but it looks like I need to quarter it down to make use of a flash disk. HP's tool doesn't work for me. PE2USB causes problems because I don't have a WinPE image ready. I have a Windows install image. I was able to work around it to make a flat install path but I don't have the program anymore and I can't remember what I did. I look towards some tutorials but they all base around multibooting. I don't need all of this other crap. It needs to stay simple and final.

The DOS boot interests me but I don't know if I can get such a thing to start an installation.

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Posted 02 October 2009 - 03:53 AM

Where is this tool ? anyone knows ?

Perhaps this: http://www.msfn.org/...er-t121502.html

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Posted 02 October 2009 - 04:06 AM

@DaemonForce

Have you tried installing dummy.sys in your regular windows and using Disk Management to fix your USB for boot?

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Posted 02 October 2009 - 04:41 AM

Perhaps this: http://www.msfn.org/...er-t121502.html

Uh no. Not about to use nlite on this build.

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Have you tried installing dummy.sys in your regular windows and using Disk Management to fix your USB for boot?

Nope.
I took a chance with USB_MultiBoot_10 and so far it looks ugly internally but it seems to be working. I think I should leave it at that.

I wish I could remember all that I did but maybe this is close enough.

EDIT: Nothing in the menu works. This is another waste of my time. :D

I'm done messing with it. I'm thinking I should just shell out $100 for a decent USB CD tray.

EDIT: That route bothers me even more.

I have the ChipDisk working with a flat copy of Windows Server and I won't post the details since it involves other methods than what is listed here but the process is a bit flawed. I have to boot this thing 3 times in order to completely install a disk system.

I have Windows Server 2003 Enterprise Service Release 2 install from a 2GB OCZ ChipDisk to a dying IBM DeskStar 40GB 7200.8 in 12 minutes flat. This is impressive. I'll leave a short document later.

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Posted 02 October 2009 - 10:33 AM

Do you need this?
Attached File  pe2usb.zip   94.61KB   645 downloads

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Posted 02 October 2009 - 10:47 AM

Do you need this?


NO, Daemonforce seems like just needing to vent out a bit.

The plot appears a bit repetitive, by now:
  • one post babbling about something
  • a number of posts of people trying to help
  • a few posts to continue babbling, completely ignoring ANY suggestion/help


A full link to peTOusb.exe was already given him:
http://www.boot-land...?...ost&p=80506

Of course I find very smart :D, and helps a lot in avoiding the confusion, to pack peTOusb.exe and peTOusb.txt into a .zip file named pe2usb.zip. :D

And this, like it is happening to me with a curiously increased frequency lately :D, just became another S.E.P., I must be getting old. ;)

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Posted 02 October 2009 - 11:34 AM

I must be getting old. :D

You've just taken care of things that have been a major oversight for me. That's not getting old so much as the line of getting smart or incredibly frustrated.

The PEtoUSB device isn't like it used to be so I didn't use that. It's very unconventional and also very stupid. After formatting, loading a sector and prefabricating an install, I have to LOCK all of the code on the disk or risk nuking the seeking directory. Basically, I have to treat a flash disk as...A disk. :D

I didn't ignore help as much as try not to comment on what didn't work for me. :D




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