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#501 Wonko the Sane

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Posted 07 September 2015 - 06:15 PM

I restored a 500mb partition over a 1000mb partition.

 

Not really, we are still in the same terminology confusion/mixup. :frusty:

 

You actually backed up a volume (and NOT a partition) and you restored a volume (and NOT a partition). The difference may be just the excess sector hosting the bootsector backup in the case of a NTFS volume, but a partition has the "added dignity" of a specific entry in a partition table (in the MBR or in an EPBR), or if you prefer a partition (as used in Windows) is BOTH the area on disk occupied by the volume AND the corresponding entry in a partition table.

 

You cannot "restore a 500mb partition over a 1000 Mb partition", you can restore a 500  Mb volume inside a 1000 Mb partition. (which is what you did, or to be more even more exact you restored the 500mb volume to the initial part of the allocated space for a 1000 Mb partition in the partition table), if you actually restored it over the corresponding partition entry would have been overwritten.

 

I know that I am picky, this is part of my "let us call things with their names" campaign, an exact terminology/set of definitions helps to avoid misunderstandings, it's years that I go around attempting (usually failing at it :() to put together a "common dictionary" to better exchange info, still JFYI:

http://reboot.pro/to...e-6#entry123056

 

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Posted 08 September 2015 - 03:19 AM

about filecopy, 2 things :
-run as admin
-put psexec.exe in the same folder so that the copy process runs with system account

tried this but still getting "access denied" errors when ran from W7x64, would it be better to run it from XP to do this operation?

and I had to use older clonedisk for this because psexec.exe was not in 2.3.3

it would really be handy to be able to filecopy everything from a partition into either a smaller partition or image (to save space) or even the oposite of what I mentioned in my last thread about making folder into .img

take partition contents and copy them to folder and vis versa. just throwing that out there in case it is workable somehow.

the main benefit I see with it is saving space but also being able to move an OS from one partition to another without changing any geometry.

this would be perfect for managing multiple EWF protected volumes since it would prevent wrecking an ewf OS that protects multiple partitions. and as Im finding out if that happens you cant fix it, you have to start over re-installing each OS. and if you have multiples it is a big mess!

with XPe it is not an issue but w7 and up it is.

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Posted 24 September 2015 - 07:27 AM

Hello Gents,

I made a small freeware app that allows one to clone a drive (physical or logical) to/from another drive or image.

Feedback and requests welcome :lol:

Regards,
Erwan.

 

Hi Erwan 

 

would it be possible to make an 64-Bit version?

 

I downloaded your great tool, but I only found 32-Bit-Versions..

 

thx

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Posted 24 September 2015 - 08:51 AM

Hi Erwan 

 

would it be possible to make an 64-Bit version?

 

I downloaded your great tool, but I only found 32-Bit-Versions..

 

thx

netlord

 

Hi Netlord,

 

See here : http://labalec.fr/erwan/?page_id=42 .

 

Regards,

Erwan



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Posted 25 September 2015 - 07:05 AM

Hi Netlord,

 

See here : http://labalec.fr/erwan/?page_id=42 .

 

Regards,

Erwan

 

Thanks

 

I´ve searched here: http://labalec.fr/erwan/?p=1647



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Posted 16 October 2015 - 11:39 AM

Hello Erwan

would it be possible to implement:

 

Backup FROM devio

and

Restore TO devio

 

options?



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Posted 17 October 2015 - 09:35 AM

Hello Erwan

would it be possible to implement:

 

Backup FROM devio

and

Restore TO devio

 

options?

 

Hi Steom,

 

It is already there.

 

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Regards,

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Posted 17 October 2015 - 09:54 AM

...not
We have backup to and restore from

i ask the exact opposite:

backup FROM devio and restore TO devio

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Posted 17 October 2015 - 10:29 AM

...not
We have backup to and restore from

i ask the exact opposite:

backup FROM devio and restore TO devio

 

i dont understand "backup from"?

and is not restore to = backpup (dump) to ?



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Posted 17 October 2015 - 12:15 PM

it's much more simple, logical and natural to have the opportunity of:
 
backup FROM devio to image
restore TO devio from image
 
for example from your blog post
we can skip the intricate point "4.Target" altogether and we can use clonedisk from our full-fledged workstation instead from winpe.
 
I think that the idea of using "devio" with "clonedisk" should be thought in this way from the beginning. Much more pratical.

Edited by steom, 17 October 2015 - 12:34 PM.


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Posted 17 October 2015 - 01:28 PM

I am not sure to understand the issue, or more accurately I am pretty sure I don't understand it.

Can we redefine "backup to devio" as "copy (from source) to devio (as target)" and "restore from devio" as "copy (to target) from devio (as source)" ?

Is this the problem? :unsure:

 

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Posted 17 October 2015 - 02:05 PM

We can redefine "restore to devio" as "copy (from a file source) to devio (as target disk)" and "backup from devio" as "copy (to a file target) from devio (as source disk)"

these are the options that make sense to have.


Edited by steom, 17 October 2015 - 02:30 PM.


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Posted 17 October 2015 - 03:27 PM

So :unsure:, since the verb in the action is always  "to clone (disk)"  ;), all in all this whole thing would amount to:

  1. use devio device as source
  2. use devio device as target

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Posted 17 October 2015 - 04:53 PM

Actually Clonedisk can backup/restore a disk or partition to/from a devio device.

 

What it does not do is backup/restore an image to a devio device (which is what Steom is asking for).

 

I could implement it but as devio is already a "pointer" to an image, why would one want to backup/export to an image again?

 

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Posted 18 October 2015 - 01:03 AM

but why should one want to save a .wim or .ewf file to devio, when we all can use a network share for this?
there is no real world scenarios for this (don't tell because a share is not always handy and fast :)).
instead for some real remote imaging tasks as is intended to be, backup/restore an image from/to a devio device is a must.

Edited by steom, 18 October 2015 - 01:22 AM.


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Posted 18 October 2015 - 10:05 AM

Now I am really lost :w00t: :dubbio:.

@steom, can you list/detail ALL the tasks that you intend to carry on through Clonedisk+devio (or what you consider a "common enough" or "must" activity for them)?

 

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Posted 29 October 2015 - 06:35 PM

In latest version 2.3.4 (32bits), based on previous post from steom, I added the ability to convert to/from raw/ewf/devio.

 

Devio, added to proxies such as VHD, VMDK, QCOW enables disk image conversion for a few formats.

devio command line example : 

devio --dll=libvhdi_proxy.dll;dllopen 9000 c:\test2.vhd
devio 9000 c:\disk.img 0 0

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download here.


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Posted 17 November 2015 - 07:24 PM

In latest version 2.3.5 (32 bits), added a screen to create iso images using windows builtin feature (IMAPI2).

 

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download here.



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Posted 17 November 2015 - 08:22 PM

Hmmm. :dubbio:

 

Featuritis is really a dangerous illness :(.

 

I mean, of course very nice of you :thumbsup: to add this feature, but I believe :unsure: you just  (unwantingly and in good faith :)) opened a can of worms :w00t:.

 

That will probably be a no-emulation El-Torito boot disc, or does it have an automagic provision for floppy or hard disk emulation and for the alt-boot that some EFI systems will need?

And what about iso levels?

Etc.

:ph34r:

 

Sorry if I sound negative (or excessively picky, or both), but with all due respect, clonedisk is (or should be) about disks and should IMHO have nothing to do with discs...

And yes there is a lot of debate around;

http://grammarist.co...ling/disc-disk/

 but Wikipedia and Apple have it right ;):

https://en.wikipedia...pelling_of_disc

https://support.appl.../en-us/HT201697

 

:duff:

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Posted 17 November 2015 - 10:00 PM

In latest version 2.3.5 (32 bits), added a screen to create iso images using windows builtin feature (IMAPI2).

 

Erwan,

 

only a simple question.

Where this update can be found ? Please, let us know for a download link.

 

Thx, Ambralivio



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Posted 18 November 2015 - 07:56 AM

Erwan,

 

only a simple question.

Where this update can be found ? Please, let us know for a download link.

 

Thx, Ambralivio

 

Hi Ambralivio,

 

Download is here.

 

Regards,
Erwan



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Posted 18 November 2015 - 08:03 AM

Hmmm. :dubbio:

 

Featuritis is really a dangerous illness :(.

 

I mean, of course very nice of you :thumbsup: to add this feature, but I believe :unsure: you just  (unwantingly and in good faith :)) opened a can of worms :w00t:.

 

That will probably be a no-emulation El-Torito boot disc, or does it have an automagic provision for floppy or hard disk emulation and for the alt-boot that some EFI systems will need?

And what about iso levels?

Etc.

:ph34r:

 

Sorry if I sound negative (or excessively picky, or both), but with all due respect, clonedisk is (or should be) about disks and should IMHO have nothing to do with discs...

And yes there is a lot of debate around;

http://grammarist.co...ling/disc-disk/

 but Wikipedia and Apple have it right ;):

https://en.wikipedia...pelling_of_disc

https://support.appl.../en-us/HT201697

 

:duff:

Wonko

 

Hi Wonko,

 

On that one, allow me to (slightly) disaggree.

Whether we handle (magnetic) disk images or (optical) disc images, this is still all about storage.

And these days the support (magnetic or optical) does not matter much as we often deal with virtual images.

So by the end of the day, these are all containers : wim, vhd, iso, ewf, etc ...

 

About technical details, I went for UDF format with emulation=none and platform=x86.

As I wanted to make it simple, there are no options for now but I could easily add some on request.

 

Regards,

Erwan



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Posted 18 November 2015 - 08:13 AM

Hi Ambralivio,

 

Download is here.

 

Regards,
Erwan

 

or here



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Posted 18 November 2015 - 08:26 AM

About technical details, I went for UDF format with emulation=none and platform=x86.

As I wanted to make it simple, there are no options for now but I could easily add some on request.

Yep :), but that was almost the whole point.

Do we really need a GUI CD/ISO creating software (besides - say - IMGBURN) and as replacement for mkisofs and/or oscimg? :dubbio:

 

Maybe yes :), and maybe it also deserves a place inside clonedisk (at the cost of an added complexity) :unsure: but then it needs to be a complete, featured, actual replacement for the mentioned tools when it comes to create .iso's, otherwise the utility of the "simple" addition will be IMHO very, very limited, especially now that the stupid UEFI is more common.

 

What I meant by "can of worms" was that in it's "simple" form the addition is (and will be) of little use, whilst if you go "all in" and add all the features/switches the mentioned tools have (even just the ones that are most commonly used for the one or the other project) it might become very complex.

 

Of course the disk/disc was only a tiny suggestion (from a very picky guy) about the text used, "Make ISO disk image" should be "Make ISO disc image", still about the "calling things with their name" campaign, it is not an issue in any way.

 

:duff:

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Posted 18 November 2015 - 10:41 AM

Do we really need a GUI CD/ISO creating software (besides - say - IMGBURN) and as replacement for mkisofs and/or oscimg? :dubbio:

 

Maybe yes :), and maybe it also deserves a place inside clonedisk (at the cost of an added complexity) :unsure: but then it needs to be a complete, featured, actual replacement for the mentioned tools when it comes to create .iso's, otherwise the utility of the "simple" addition will be IMHO very, very limited, especially now that the stupid UEFI is more common.

 

What I meant by "can of worms" was that in it's "simple" form the addition is (and will be) of little use, whilst if you go "all in" and add all the features/switches the mentioned tools have (even just the ones that are most commonly used for the one or the other project) it might become very complex.

 

Of course the disk/disc was only a tiny suggestion (from a very picky guy) about the text used, "Make ISO disk image" should be "Make ISO disc image", still about the "calling things with their name" campaign, it is not an issue in any way.

 

:duff:

Wonko

 

Hi Wonko,

 

I aggree : what should go in CloneDisk and what should not, next to what level of complexity each clonedisk features should have is challenging.

Next to that is : should CloneDisk be an horizontal solution (many features) or vertical solutions (very specialised in one area) is also challenging.

 

For now, it is more or less under my appreciation which is discussable if not disputable :)

 

When I was a profesional developper, it was easy : there were specifications writen for the customer which I just had to follow :)

Now being an amateur/freeware developper, its tougher : would be interesting to have a discussion with the other guys (ImDisk, Rufus, etc).

They may have some sort of line of conduct.

 

Cheers,

Erwan






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