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#1 was_jaclaz

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Posted 24 July 2006 - 10:19 AM

Here are the basic rules for users of this board, these are MANDATORY, I hope they are clear and simple enough for non-native English speakers too.
If anything is not clear, or it can be written in plainer English, please feel free to PM me.

1. This is not a warez site! Links/Requests to warez and/or illegal material (porn, cracks, serials, etc..) will not be tolerated. Discussion of circumventing WGA/activation/timebombs/keygens or any other illegal activity will also not be tolerated. :P You may be banned without notice.

2. Use some common sense. Don't post your question under multiple topics. Think before posting and choose the right topic for you question or answer. When posting, have something to say, not just "My First post!" or "Cool site!!!" We sort of have the idea by now :P .
It is much appreciated, when you post a reference to something, to provide a link to it.
Replies like "I remember there was an app that did that, cannot remember it's name" are pretty much useless.

3. Please do not post screenshots within threads that exceed 300x200 in resolution and 150kb in size. Provide a link to the image and host it on your own webspace if possible. If you do not have personal webspace there are several FREE image hosting services. Always keep in mind that some members are on a 56k connection and loading a thread with a few large screenshots can be quite slow for them.

4. Spamming will not be tolerated. :P We have provided a section for those who wish to share personal websites, technical news or FREEWARE / OPEN SOURCE projects, NOT commercial ones. Please use these sections only. http://www.boot-land...hp?showforum=26

5. Images in signatures should possibly be chosen with "common sense", anything that might, even hypothetically, offend minors, countries and/or their population, religions, political parties etc. will not be allowed and deleted. Flash and animated sigs are not permitted. Signature images must also be chosen of a decent size, say max. 300x100. You can enter max 4 lines of text in signature or signature image. Advertising and/or affiliates are not allowed in signatures nor avatars. Avatars are to be a maximum of 100x100 pixels. If your avatar or signature goes above these guidelines they will be taken off without notice. Members with slow connection can disable other members signatures when reading posts by going to: My Control - Options - Board Settings.

6. If you need to attach something, it'd be great if you could find a host for the file. Please only attach something if you absolutely have no other option. Or as a temporary depository (for example BETA releases). Of course small .inf, .cmd or similar files are welcome.

7. You are expected to be mature when discussing in threads. Racism, pornography, threatening, profanity, or excessive vulgarity is not tolerated. :P This community is built upon mutual respect. You are not allowed to flame other members. People who do not respect personal opinions and/or personal work will be warned in first instance. If you ignore the warning and keep on flaming, you will be banned without notice.

8. Has the thread you started or participated in been moved, closed or deleted? :P Check with the forum moderator via PM. Please do not start new threads asking why other threads were moderated. Forum moderation is not up for public debate, such threads will be deleted and the thread starter warned. The Admin/Mods of this board reserve the right to edit, delete or move posts made on this site.


9. Please refrain from using CAPITALIZATIONS in the topic title or when participating in threads because they will not attract attention - instead it will annoy many members, to experienced forum users, capitalizing without need is just like shouting or giving orders and considered very unpolite.

10. Please do not use meaningless subjects :P in topic title. They give no clue of what the posts are all about. For example:

- Oh no!
- Help
- I'm mad
- Please help
- Question
- I need your help
- Hmmmm ....

This should be avoided. Users should enter something more specific in topic title so that it is easier for others to help.

11. No user shall by any means of the forum: sell, trade or give away hardware, software, or any other material, UNLESS it is personal property and it has the "spirit" of a "garage sale", i.e. is something you do not use, wish to give away or similar, DEFINITELY NO COMMERCIAL SALES. :P This board in any case shall not be held accountable.

12. SMILE! :P Life is tough, we all know that, when you enter this board, it will be appreciated that you leave your personal problems behind, asking and replyinq questions or however exchanging informations with a "positive" attitude, TAKE IT EASY :P and enjoy your stay here.

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P.S.: WHY the Rules
Rules are here to prevent possible misunderstandings between members and help make this board a peaceful, relaxing place in the net where exchange of MEANINGFUL opinions, ideas can take place.

In a "perfect" world, the above rules would be unnecessary, as all people would "naturally" behave along the same guidelines, which are nothing more than mutual respect.

But please do remember that our is not a "perfect" world, and, particularly, this is a privately owned board where the Owner/Admins/Mods have the power to do whatever they see fit to keep things going as smooth as possible.

You can dislike the idea of rules and even dislike the particular rules that have been stated, but if you do not comply with them, you can leave, there are other places to go.


P.S.:
Following are not rules, but "common sense" advice:

a. Please do use the Search function before posting a question that has already been asked and (hopefully) answered to. This is another reason for rule #10 above, searching meaningful titled posts is easier and faster.

b. Please avoid to put pressure on other members, I have seen on other boards members posting a question and no later than 2 hours later make another post like "anyone?" or "PLEASE, I really need this URGENTLY!". As said, scope of the board is the exchange of informations on boot related technicalities and software, all members have their own work and come here to relax, learn something new, help others and discuss these topics, if you need something really "URGENT" consider hiring a professional consultant (and be prepared to pay him/her). If your request has not been acknowledged by anyone after a "reasonable" time, that in this case means a few days, you are on the contrary invited to "bump" it, as it may happen that a particular post has been overlooked.

c. Please be prepared to spend some time reading and understanding answers and related links, another common type of poster is one that wants something not only "now", but also only as a "few clicks away" solution, and, possibly "exactly" the way he wants it to be, even if it is technically impossible.

d. Please when asking something, be the more specific you can, even without being verbose you can pass along all the needed information, typical examples:

I am running Windows....

Which one? Just from memory I recall 3 or 4 versions of Windows 3.x, 4 or 5 of Windows 95, 2 of Windows 98, then Millennium Edition, NT 3.51 and 4.00 Workstaion and Server, Windows 2000 various versions, XP Home and Professional and of course Windows Server 2003...

I have an error, it printed a number on a blue screen, the text said something like "You cannot boot from this thingy" or something like that....

When reporting an error, the exact number and text is useful to understand what the problem might be, quite obviously, knowing that it is a STOP: 0x0000007B INACCESSIBLE_BOOT_DEVICE instead of "something like that" will really help ...

Ok, so I read a tutorial on the Internet and it does not work for me...

Which one, there are thousands of tutorials or articles on the Internet, how are we supposed to know which one you are referring to....

Ok, so I read the tutorial on site www.somesite.ext and it does not work for me, I followed it exactly except for two or three intermediate steps, ...

No comment :P....

e. Please, if you succeed in whatever you asked help for, do report this and the exact steps you took, it is a form of thanking the member(s) which helped you and to help other people that have the same problem you had.

Note:
The above rules have been almost entirely copied from the ones on MSFN forums, as I find them simple and rightful, but most other technical boards use similar ones.

Amendment #1 to Rules June 17, 2007 - adding of point f.
Special, more explicit, "common sense" advice, SUPPLEMENTAL to that already present in points a-b-c-d-e above.

Mind you that this advice is given to HELP you solving a problem, and though not compulsory, it will help you more than you might expect in troubleshooting and (hopefully) solve your problem faster.

f. Always think why you are here asking for help:

It is because you are not able to solve that problem by yourself.

Always think why other members might be able to try and help you:

Because they are good guys/gals and know more than you do.

The above implies that AFTER you have done your best to comply with points a-b-c-d of the rules, if any member trying to help you asks you supplemental informations and details, to run one or more programs or to do a determinate series of actions and to post results, it is because there are REASONS for this procedure. (you remember, you weren't able to solve this problem by yourself and they know more than you do.)
So, it would be VERY APPRECIATED, and, as said, it will better the quality of the assistance you might receive if you would:
f1.- Post JUST the problem you are having, with needed details, but WITHOUT suggesting what the solution is according to you.
f2.- Temporarily "disconnect" your mind from your idea of WHAT has caused or is causing the problem you have, and of HOW the fix should be made, solving a problem means finding it's SOLUTION, the method through which the latter is found is not relevant and viewing it from just one side can even prevent from finding the solution.
f3.- DO AS YOU ARE TOLD, do not introduce variations of ANY KIND in the given instructions, there are REASONS why they are suggested, and REASONS why they are suggested in the given order and yet more REASONS why other procedures are NOT suggested
f4.- DO NOT think you are smarter than the member who is trying to help you, even if generally speaking this might happen, it DOES NOT apply on the specific topic, nothing can upset more a willing helping member that someone that asks for advice and later does not try the given suggestions and/or does another thing. On the contrary, once the suggested steps have been tried and gave no result, your ideas are welcome, in other words we try to troubleshoot in a "logical" way, as in the famous Sherlock Holmes saying "when you have excluded the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth", but we like beforehand to exclude the possible, the common, the probable, and this approach solves problems in a MUCH faster way in a large amount of cases.
f5.- BE PREPARED to spend some time interactively searching and (hopefully) finding a solution, remember it is you that are having the problem, the only reason why another member tries to help you is to share and expand his knowledge, and to be gratified by an even small thank you when the solution is found. There are a number of members that, as soon as they see that there is no pre-made one-size-fits-all solution one or a few clicks away, simply disappear from the board, leaving behind an unresolved problem and, possibly, a disappointed member who tried vainly to help.

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Posted 24 July 2006 - 11:26 AM

:P

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Posted 24 July 2006 - 01:39 PM

Nice rules... :P

But lack something:
Do a search before asking a question. :P

#4 TheHive

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Posted 24 July 2006 - 05:48 PM

I was thinking your tittle meant that the word "OK" rules.
Better to name it Board Rules or something similar.

#5 was_jaclaz

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Posted 24 July 2006 - 07:15 PM

Original post updated along requests from Dhilip89 and TheHive, between others.

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Posted 24 July 2006 - 08:16 PM

b. Please avoid to put pressure on other members, I have seen on other boards members posting a question and no later than 2 hours later make another post like "anyone?" or "PLEASE, I really need this URGENTLY!". As said, scope of the board is the exchange of informations on boot related technicalities and software, all members have their own work and come here to relax, learn something new, help others and discuss these topics, if you need something really "URGENT" consider hiring a professional consultant (and be prepared to pay him/her). If your request has not been acknowledged by anyone after a "reasonable" time, that in this case means a few days, you are on the contrary invited to "bump" it, as it may happen that a particular post has been overlooked.


Ooops. I think I've done this before. I might be the reason why the microPE guy doesn't post anymore, I think I scared him away with all my requests for network support. I was so excited though, a 16 meg XP ISO was unbelievable!

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Posted 25 July 2006 - 05:58 AM

Ooops. I think I've done this before. I might be the reason why the microPE guy doesn't post anymore, I think I scared him away with all my requests for network support. I was so excited though, a 16 meg XP ISO was unbelievable!

His name is Draugen. I think he is still around but has his name changed with Draugen in the middle. He is named now "Martin 'draugen' Andersen" on this board. Im think he is still around thinkering with stuff. As tinkerers we cant stop. :P :P :P

#8 Draugen

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Posted 28 July 2006 - 05:01 PM

*Draugen spanks Yorn with a CAT5e cable*

:P

I'm still here :P Real life takes its toll. My current job involves a one hour commute each way, and, since i start at 07'00, i need to be up around 05'00. and i'm usually not home till around 14-15'00. And then, I kinda like spending time with my G/F and socializing with my friends :P

microPE is in the process of being rewritten to support OpenBuilder. I estimate the rewrite at about 70%. so stay tuned people :P

@ jaclaz: nice rules. Shouldn't trolling/flaming be mentioned? granted, this is not /., but still. Also, all these rules, but no consequences. Warn, then ban, then IP block, as fits the severity of the viloation/repeat offenders. At the moderator team's discretion, of course :P

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Posted 13 August 2006 - 02:49 PM

5. Images in signatures should possibly be chosen with "common sense", anything that might, even hypothetically, offend minors, countries and/or their population, religions, political parties etc. will not be allowed and deleted. Flash and animated sigs are not permitted. Signature images must also be chosen of a decent size, say max. 300x100. You can enter max 4 lines of text in signature or signature image. Advertising and/or affiliates are not allowed in signatures nor avatars. Avatars are to be a maximum of 100x100 pixels. If your avatar or signature goes above these guidelines they will be taken off without notice. Members with slow connection can disable other members signatures when reading posts by going to: My Control - Options - Board Settings.


I dislike images in sigs. Just me :P

also, a note about quoting. something like:

Quoting/replying:
When responding to someone, do not include the whole post you are responding to. instead, leave out anything irrelevant to your response. This is much easier to read - both for eyes and brain!

example:

* snip *
so, who's your fav death metal band?
* snip *

well, Slayer are quite cool, but don't quite have the super-guttural vocals of, say, Deicide...

instead of:

blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah,
blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah,
blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah,
blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah,
so, who's your fav death metal band?
blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah,

well, Slayer are quite cool, but don't quite have the super-guttural vocals of, say, Deicide...

:P

//martin

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Posted 14 August 2006 - 09:00 AM

i hate rules


I don't like this

bye

NOTE: The above message was edited by me, as in it's original form did not comply with Rule #7:

7. You are expected to be mature when discussing in threads. Racism, pornography, threatening, profanity, or excessive vulgarity is not tolerated. This community is built upon mutual respect. You are not allowed to flame other members. People who do not respect personal opinions and/or personal work will be warned in first instance. If you ignore the warning and keep on flaming, you will be banned without notice.


This counts as first warning to user Mike69.

Rules are here to prevent possible misunderstandings between members and help make this board a peaceful, relaxing place in the net where exchange of MEANINGFUL opinions, ideas can take place.

In a "perfect" world, the above rules would be unnecessary, as all people would "naturally" behave along the same guidelines, which are nothing more than mutual respect.

But please do remember that our is not a "perfect" world, and, particularly, this is a privately owned board where the Owner/Admins/Mods have the power to do whatever they see fit to keep things going as smooth as possible.

You can dislike the idea of rules and even dislike the particular rules that have been stated, but if you do not comply with them, you can leave, there are other places to go.

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#11 Moon Goon

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Posted 12 September 2006 - 07:32 PM

I don't like the part about "Discussion of circumventing WGA/activation". Outright hacking is for a different forum but intelligent discussion on free-use should be okay.

For instance, MS says you lose your license when you replace your motherboard and thus you can't activate. Well, that's pretty lame. If I wanted to discuss how to bypass that issue with my legitimate bought and paid for copy of XP I should be able to.

Regardless, this is boot-land for a reason, so it would be an off-topic at best. This is for booting stuff and not modding XP like MSFN. I just don't like to see the free exchange of knowledge curtailed.

Just my opinion (both for and against) WPA/WGA topics.. Not a showstopper for me :P

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Posted 12 September 2006 - 07:40 PM

I agree with your statements.

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Posted 13 September 2006 - 10:34 AM

For instance, MS says you lose your license when you replace your motherboard and thus you can't activate. Well, that's pretty lame. If I wanted to discuss how to bypass that issue with my legitimate bought and paid for copy of XP I should be able to.

Well, it all depends on the license you have, the "new" OEM EULA is like you say, other type licenses and the "old" OEM one are different.

I personally do not like Microsoft licensing scheme, nor their EULA, I also, even if I am not a lawyer, find that most probably the "contract" made by the EULA is a null one, as you only can read it only AFTER you bought the software and/or piece of hardware with accompanying OEM software, and, besides, at least in Europe a large number of clauses are patently null or can be nullified by a court.

You might however want to re-consider the basic erroneous assumption you, and most people by the way :P , are making:

bought and paid for copy of XP

you certainly paid for your copy of XP, but you NEVER bought it.

You might want to read this interesting document:
http://www.cyber.com...gpl_to_eula.pdf

But the main point is that you are NOT buying a product, but a License to use it:

19. The Product is protected by copyright and other intellectual property laws and treaties.
Microsoft or its suppliers own the title, copyright, and other intellectual property rights in the
Product. The Product is licensed, not sold.

Analysis
Even if you bought this product, it does NOT belong to you. You have a license to use it under the
terms of this agreement, until you breach this agreement.
It is of great importance to understand the significance of this. Many users who purchase products like this from Microsoft are under the mis-conception that since they may have paid hundreds or perhaps thousands of dollars for it, that it must therefore belong to them, much like a car, chair or clothes do once purchased, or particularly a book - which can be lent, read by others, quoted from etc. This is wrong. The software product belongs (totally) to Microsoft, who allow, at their discretion, your use of the product. Non-compliance with the product's license may see you lose that privilege.



I guess that every single user of Microsoft Software has, had or will have broken the EULA one time or another.

If you read attentively the EULA, for example, the transfer to third party is limited to first buyer, so that for example, if you buy a used computer from a shop whom acquired it from a customer, theoretically the shop is breaking the EULA, and your license would not be valid, though it will be tough to demonstrate it.

In large companies it is quite common to let employees buy the computer they use when systems are changed/upgraded, now, if the company directly bought the PC's from the producer, there is no problem, but if those PC's were bought through a leasing company, there would be a more-than-once-transfer and thus a breaking of the EULA, but I still have to see MS sueing anyone for this.

As said, I personally find a lot of the clauses of the EULA unjust, excessively limiting the freedom of the customer, arbitrary and dispotic, but they are there.

So, besides the consideration of the lawfullness of it, as you mentioned, talking about activation and how to bypass it would be however an off-topic, and one that could theoretically attract the attention of MS lawyers, and I don't think that it would do any good to the board.

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Posted 13 September 2006 - 06:06 PM

I know it's not a product - it's a license. You're right - most people don't know what they actually bought.

My real point is making WPA a taboo topic can lead to bad things. Mature mods who spare the rod can hang with many taboo topics. In the future there may be less mature mods or want-to-be-mods who will use taboo topics as a power trip. The less rules the less for member and mods to trip on. If a post is too sketchy people will just not respond (or suggest a different forum)

I think this board is run well and I have not seen an unfair move yet. The response to the Delphi and RecoverySoft posts was *very* fair and polite. Even though the topic was sketchy it was left open for people to provide proper answers.

Again, the rules are okay by me. I already know what the evil men with suits and briefcases can do. This is just an observation.

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Posted 13 September 2006 - 07:24 PM

Nice rules :P

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Posted 13 September 2006 - 10:59 PM

My real point is making WPA a taboo topic can lead to bad things. Mature mods who spare the rod can hang with many taboo topics. In the future there may be less mature mods or want-to-be-mods who will use taboo topics as a power trip. The less rules the less for member and mods to trip on. If a post is too sketchy people will just not respond (or suggest a different forum)


Yes, I see what you mean, and most probably the vast majority of bootland members are mature enough to deal with "sketchy" items, the problem is the tiny minority...:P

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Posted 13 June 2007 - 10:17 PM

Clear and simple! :1st: and very common too!

Like I said on my first post, I shalldo my best to not break it!

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Posted 17 September 2009 - 01:04 PM

@Jaclaz,

regarding rule#4,
something to motivate members to actively participate instead of promoting their own stuff. Something like, two posts at least (other than "webpages") to have the right to promote your webpage. It may not be realistic though.

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Posted 17 September 2009 - 01:38 PM

@Jaclaz,

regarding rule#4,
something to motivate members to actively participate instead of promoting their own stuff. Something like, two posts at least (other than "webpages") to have the right to promote your webpage. It may not be realistic though.


You mean like people sellng on e-bay ONLY to other people having a positive feedback of 10 or so? ;)

That is a nice CATCH22 you need to buy 10 unneeded items in order to be able to buy what you actually need/want. ;)

No, thanks.

As I see it people should be able to enter the place "free of charge", I also am personally against the present "Hello world" semi-compulsory setup.

Not everyone has the time/will to participate in a forum, but this does not mean that he/she is not a good guy/gal, that has made something useful or has interesting things on his website.

As long as the whole "promoting" is confined to USEFUL/INTERESTING things and NOT COMMERCIAL sites (but Commercial sites that offer also real freebies or interesting content are also allowed, on a per case basis), I don't see the problem.

If you check the posts on the relevant section:
http://www.boot-land...hp?showforum=26
you will se that they are mostly (please read practically entirely) sites posted/recommended by "resident members".

Of course there are exceptions:
http://www.boot-land...?showtopic=9026
which are however quite rare and usually dealt with in no or little time.
(Out of 15 pages in that Forum I could only find the above example and the "known" case of member clicx, besides this:
http://www.boot-land...?showtopic=3168
which I never maknaged to understand)

:unsure:

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Posted 17 March 2012 - 12:01 AM

I like these Rules! Are suggestions stil alloowed? P.11 permit Garage Sale. Can we have a separate section for that, i want to sell my old PCs?

Edited by CS-Hacker, 17 March 2012 - 12:10 AM.


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Posted 17 March 2012 - 09:20 AM

I like these Rules! Are suggestions stil alloowed? P.11 permit Garage Sale. Can we have a separate section for that, i want to sell my old PCs?

Actually they have been replaced by "Policies", here:
http://reboot.pro/about/policies
http://reboot.pro/16523/

But I don't think it is a problem, you may want to try posting your request here:
http://reboot.pro/forum/75/

:cheers:
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Posted 29 June 2012 - 06:20 PM

finally found Reboot Rules..LOL :dubbio:




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