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#201 Nuno Brito

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Posted 27 April 2009 - 10:04 PM

(@Nuno, @Jaclaz: Where is the link to the board rules?)


Link added to the right side column of the site! :)

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Posted 28 April 2009 - 03:22 AM

Link added to the right side column of the site! :)


Yeah! Rule #1... :)

http://win7pe.winbui...r...ects/Tools/
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Posted 28 April 2009 - 03:33 AM

ijustwanttoseefiles

There is Rule0 known by everybody, but i guess somebody forgot to teach you:
Rule0: Have common sense for the community goodness.

No need to argue If you dont get the idea, it shows that you dont have common sense so nothing to argue about.


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Posted 28 April 2009 - 04:27 AM

thnx Lance. Can you up the files from the new WAIk?

not arguing, but you can stick your vegetables where the sun don't shine. They give me a rash! :)

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Posted 28 April 2009 - 04:33 AM

See the light
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Posted 28 April 2009 - 08:10 AM

Link added to the right side column of the site! :)

Where?
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Posted 28 April 2009 - 08:47 AM

You have classic view. Here ;-)

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Posted 28 April 2009 - 08:51 AM

first sorry for my bad englich

i start build on xp sp3 and also winows 7 build 7000

the first remark is that there is to many warnings of unrecognized settings

after finshing the iso is ok but no programs

no connection with vpc or vbox so i tried on flash desk so it starts work an ther is internet connection after updating the driver with control panel

the biggest problem is the temp folder it coud'nt be deleted and wb cant copy or move any

files from it to the target folder

ex.

FileCopy - Failed to copy [%BaseDir%\Temp\win7_pe\InstallWimSrc\Windows\Branding\Basebrd\basebrd.dll] to: [%BaseDir%\Target\win7_pe\Windows\Branding\Basebrd]


does anybody no why

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Posted 28 April 2009 - 08:52 AM

Where?

Peter :)


You are using the old forum engine...

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Posted 28 April 2009 - 09:11 AM

You have classic view. Here ;-)

No he hasn't.

You are using the old forum engine...

That is not the "old" forum engine, is the WRONG skin.

On the "right" skin link to Rules is where it should be.

Check my signature and this thread:
http://www.boot-land...?showtopic=6431

Particularly here:
http://www.boot-land...?...=6431&st=44
and here:
http://www.boot-land...?...=6431&st=74

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#211 ijustwanttoseefiles

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Posted 28 April 2009 - 10:11 AM

See the light
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Let the shine
Down on me

Feeling good
Knew I would
Ever since
You set me free

http://www.metrolyri...cs-santana.html

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Forget the rules. You've only uploaded imagex, wimfltr, wimgapi, and all the rest from the OLD Vista W_AIK.

Can you re-do the zips too?

thnx

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Posted 28 April 2009 - 10:17 AM

Classic skin updated too, it's placed on the top bar.

Now it should be perfectly available to read whenever necessary.

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Peter, would it be possible to include the WIM read/write feature without compression?

This would overcome the need to install WAIK or use any MS files.

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Posted 28 April 2009 - 10:31 AM

Classic skin updated too, it's placed on the top bar.

:) :)

Peter, would it be possible to include the WIM read/write feature without compression?

In my opinion that is the highlight (but then with compression) for WinBuilder 080.

As to be seen from reaction to 077 beta 2, RC1 soon can be published and then the final release.

To add such new things here may disturb the flow.

Peter

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Posted 28 April 2009 - 11:35 AM

Yes, sounds like a good plan.

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Posted 28 April 2009 - 11:40 AM

This thread is out of control. Too many irrelevant posts.

Note MS components should not be redistributed. That includes any component from the WAIK. Only legal way to use any component from the WAIK is to download the WAIK from MS

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Posted 28 April 2009 - 12:11 PM

This thread is out of control. Too many irrelevant posts.

Note MS components should not be redistributed. That includes any component from the WAIK. Only legal way to use any component from the WAIK is to download the WAIK from MS

You misunderstood.

It is never intended to distribute any file of the WAIK.

The WinBuilder Development Team is currently working on raw read and write *.WIM files.
And RAW means: Also not using wimgapi.dll. :)

Peter :)

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Posted 28 April 2009 - 12:21 PM

You misunderstood.


I don't think that paraglider misunderstood anything. :)

In any case it is not really nice to say so, even if it was true. :)

On the other hand, though it is appreciated the opinion of members, and expecially that of knowledgeable ones like paraglider is :), on how threads are managed on this board, there are nicer ways to say so.

paraglider, why don't you ask Nuno to become Mod/Admin of the Board? :)

This way you will be able to better manage it.

It is never intended to distribute any file of the WAIK.

The WinBuilder Development Team is currently working on raw read and write *.WIM files.
And RAW means: Also not using wimgapi.dll. :)


...and in the meantime not-redistributable files are hosted and available for download....

Undoubtedly a temporary measure, that is nonetheless IMNSHO wrong, and with which I totally and utterly disagree.

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Posted 28 April 2009 - 12:38 PM

...and in the meantime not-redistributable files are hosted and available for download....

I disagree!

Not to your sentence, but to the fact if it is true.
Maybe you remember that, whenever I saw such a file attached to a script, I asked the author to remove.

But there are so many scripts...
And I look not into all of them...
Especially in this actual project I only 'Run it' to see whether it works for me.

If you know some 'warez' files, please ask the author to work legal.
The 'Ask' must not be necessarily public.

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Posted 28 April 2009 - 12:51 PM

Maybe you remember that, whenever I saw such a file attached to a script, I asked the author to remove.

But there are so many scripts...
And I look not into all of them...
Especially in this actual project I only 'Run it' to see whether it works for me.

If you know some 'warez' files, please ask the author to work legal.


Just click on the link ijustwanttoseefiles posted:
http://win7pe.winbui...r...ects/Tools/

are the files allright? :)

As I see it, even hosting 7z.exe in a form that precludes the reading and acceptance of it's License is wrong.

I have said these things so many times (and have been regularly either attacked or ignored on this specific topic) including the problem with the direct downloading of apps from the internet and building without letting the user read the various licenses that come with the various software that I'm simply tied of re-writing the same things again and again.

But that won't make hosting and making available for download un-redistributable files "right", nor make it "nice" towards the various Authors of the ones that are actually re-distributable.

This is one (among various other ones) why I stopped experimenting with Winbuilder and try as much as possible to only take part in "general" problems and in the "grub4dos" or boot from everywhere" part of the Forum.



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Posted 28 April 2009 - 01:40 PM

Though i agree with jaclaz about not hosting files which are clearly not allowed.

I completely disagree with his idea of doing it the right way.
- first it was to not include files anymore in the scripts without written permission from the author
- then it was not to download and unpacking of the files while circumventing the installer

If we wanted to follow every rule anyone ever decided upon for their software and that for all countries, we would need to scrape WB and all projects and replace them by some nice tutorials with a huge legal disclaimer.


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Posted 28 April 2009 - 03:50 PM

YahooUK:

Distributing files (MS or not) without proper permission is not a good solution otherwise the project won't reach legal conformity..

Please add instructions on the first post regarding how to download the WAIK from the Microsoft servers and extract the necessary files onto the correct location. If this is done with clear instructions, everyone should be able to do it without any troubles.

With some luck (and work) this might be solved quickly as we are working at this moment to add native WIM support inside winbuilder, don't worry.

btw: good work on the first topic - it's looking very informative! :)


Jaclaz:

7z is fine to be distributed with free projects such as this one but commercial products will require the developer to include the LPGL license and a link to the location where the source code can be found.

http://www.7-zip.org/faq.html

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Posted 28 April 2009 - 04:48 PM

Jaclaz:

7z is fine to be distributed with free projects such as this one but commercial products will require the developer to include the LPGL license and a link to the location where the source code can be found.

http://www.7-zip.org/faq.html

:)


NO, it isn't. :)

The linked to:

Can I use the EXE or DLL files from 7-Zip in a Commercial Application?

Yes, but you are required to specify in your documentation (1) that you used parts of the 7-Zip program, (2) that 7-Zip is licensed under the GNU LGPL license and (3) you must give a link to www.7-zip.org, where the source code can be found.


That is the answer to the question:

Can I use the EXE or DLL files from 7-Zip in a Commercial Application?


The answer clarifies what is needed for the use in a Commercial Application, and NOTHING ELSE.

The requirement to distribute any LGPL with a notice about copyright, the appliable License and whatever else, DOES NOT CHANGE whether it's a FREE, COMMERCIAL or whatever project.

The LGPL which is what you should read states:

1. You may copy and distribute verbatim copies of the Library's
complete source code as you receive it, in any medium, provided that
you conspicuously and appropriately publish on each copy an
appropriate copyright notice and disclaimer of warranty; keep intact
all the notices that refer to this License and to the absence of any
warranty; and distribute a copy of this License along with the
Library.

and later:

4. You may copy and distribute the Library (or a portion or
derivative of it, under Section 2) in object code or executable form
under the terms of Sections 1 and 2 above provided that you accompany
it with the complete corresponding machine-readable source code, which
must be distributed under the terms of Sections 1 and 2 above on a
medium customarily used for software interchange.

If distribution of object code is made by offering access to copy
from a designated place, then offering equivalent access to copy the
source code from the same place satisfies the requirement to
distribute the source code, even though third parties are not
compelled to copy the source along with the object code.


and again later:

6. As an exception to the Sections above, you may also combine or
link a "work that uses the Library" with the Library to produce a
work containing portions of the Library, and distribute that work
under terms of your choice, provided that the terms permit
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You must give prominent notice with each copy of the work that the
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a) Accompany the work with the complete corresponding
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with the Library, with the complete machine-readable "work that
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user can modify the Library and then relink to produce a modified
executable containing the modified Library. (It is understood
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:) Use a suitable shared library mechanism for linking with the
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rather than copying library functions into the executable, and (2)
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c) Accompany the work with a written offer, valid for at
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d) If distribution of the work is made by offering access to copy
from a designated place, offer equivalent access to copy the above
specified materials from the same place.

e) Verify that the user has already received a copy of these
materials or that you have already sent this user a copy.

For an executable, the required form of the "work that uses the
Library" must include any data and utility programs needed for
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components (compiler, kernel, and so on) of the operating system on
which the executable runs, unless that component itself accompanies
the executable.


Now, is this a "good" license? :)

I dont think so, I personally like bettter the FreeBSD one:
http://www.freebsd.o...sd-license.html
(that however contains as well the need of accompanying the Software with it's Copyright and the License)

and even better my Careware one :):
http://home.graffiti...t/careware.html
(that contains NO provisions at all)

But still, the LGPL is there and the Author of the App decided to distribute his app with that license.

You cannot "twist" the wording in the FAQ's to your own use or to iterpret as you like the Author's will.

What you can do is:
  • convince Igor Pavlov to release 7-zip (if possible at all :() under a less restrictive license
  • or convince him to authorize you (or the winbuilder project) to distribute the files WITHOUT accompanying them with the LGPL License (which of course would invalidate completely the use of the LGPL in first instance and possibly violate a "previous" LGPL or GPL on the sorces Igor may have used)

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Posted 28 April 2009 - 04:56 PM

Dear All,

I'm sorry about arguing for my project to all respects. I've just come back and seeing that issue.
I do not want anyone to being argued here. So I've deleted all files and folders just now and I'll consider to re-upload later.

@guru,
I feel very sorry about yesterday misunderstanding each other.
You are right. Finding a bug and killing is the heart of good programmer. So I shouldn't say my last two sentenses which was very strong upon you. I'm thinking the whole night, and feeling not well. Sorry guru for my agression.

I had a story to tell you. Three men was separately travelling on a mountain. They were run out of water and felt very thirsty but no where to find a water. First one luckily found out a water pot under a banyan tree. He went straight there and drank the water and left the journey. After he left, second man saw the pot and he drank the water and prayed for whom filled the water in. And then he left for the journey. Soon after the last man arrived there. He drank and took the water as much as he could and broke the pot just for fun.

I have already doubted that issue would be occurred but carelessly and kindly, I've uploaded for ease of usage of members here. Ever, I don't want Nuno and other Admins to be trouble with Microsoft as well as other parties.

Many thanks to all members.

B Regards,

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Posted 28 April 2009 - 04:56 PM

@jaclaz!

As paraglider already stated, this topic is totally running 'Out of order'.

If I would be yahoouk, I would be very unhappy with the fact, that the visitor needs a map to navigate through my project's topic

Can you try to move the according posts to a new 'licence discussion' topic?
(and during move delet this -then unnecessary- post)

Thanks

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Posted 28 April 2009 - 05:01 PM

this has totally got out of control now - why is it everyone ends up arguing

The works yahoouk has done on the 7pe and the work from all the others on vistape etc is tremendous - this board is full of such talent, shame we can't use it to produce something even better working together without it always digressing into an argument

I love winbuilder and the projects I can create from it and have been using it a long time - mostly with VistaPE and now very interested in Windows 7 PE - lets us all work together and try to get all bugs fixed, licence issues looked into etc and make this place great again!

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