16 replies to this topic

[maanu]

i could not understand what u do u mean by saying " they load installed xp with it " how can an installed xp boot from one single file ? it is not possible!!

setupldr.bin in slipstreamed and live xp's have information about booting files , it basically send commands to booting protocol to look in main directory (normally i386 but it can b changed by hexediting ) for files like ntdetect ,command.com,ntldr etc ..

[cdob]

What role has setupldr.bin in booting xp?
I think it is to boot the windows setup.

Setupldr.bin support different modes currently.

Setupldr.bin is used to start a Preinstallation Environment.
http://en.wikipedia....ion_Environment

PE is a kind of a running windows setup.

[was_jaclaz]

Let's try to clear this a bit.

There are two different loaders in a "standard" XP/2003 source:
NTLDR
SETUPLDR.BIN

They are used to boot two different things:
NTLDR boots "real" Windows
SETUPLDR.BIN can boot:
1) Windows setup
2) Windows Recovery Console
3) A PE environment

Basically both contain a "mini" "real-mode" OS (think at it as a very minimal DOS) that starts the loading of the "real" (pardon me the pun ) "protected mode" OS.

In earlier NT based systems (NT 3.51 and 4.0) it was explicit how these files contain a program OSLOADER.EXE which is the actual loader.

Also, compare with this:
http://www.boot-land...?showtopic=5900

jaclaz

[was_jaclaz]

does setupldr, ignore the boot.ini file, i dont think a PE will look into a boot.ini?

Sure:
NTLDR parses BOOT.INI
SETUPLDR.BIN parses TXTSETUP.SIF (and other files, like migrate.inf, dosnet.inf)
This latter topic is covered to a certain extent in wimb's Tutorial:
http://www.boot-land...?showtopic=5306
as cdob said:

PE is a kind of a running windows setup.

jaclaz

[was_jaclaz]

Yep, what I am missing is what you actually want to do from the "removed everything" nlited \I386 SETUP files on the USB stick, (I am assuming that you mounted the USB stick in Qemu through \\.\Physicaldriven):
http://www.msfn.org/...howtopic=112746

Please choose one of the available options :

• install nlited XP to a Qemu virtual hard disk (hard disk image)
• install nlited XP to the stick
• start a full XP from XP nlited setup files
• start a bartPE from XP nlited setup files

Notes:

• NOT possible if you removed EVERYTHING and don't use a proper way to address the problems that you may encounter:
  Whole dedicated forum:
  http://www.msfn.org/...p?showforum=157
  FAQ's, read attentively #2:
  http://www.msfn.org/...howtopic=111401
  Historical thread, which you will have to read if you want to do things "manually":
  http://www.msfn.org/...showtopic=61384
• NOT possible if you removed EVERYTHING and don't use a proper way to address the problems that you may encounter (as above) AND add USB support for the installed XP:
  http://www.msfn.org/...o...19963&st=23
• NOT possible, you are using SETUP files, what do you want, blood? Xp needs to be properly installed (or fake installed, like in XPCLI!
• NOT possible, you are using SETUP files, what do you want, blood? Or you think that all the work to create PEbuilder or Winbuilder was unneeded?

jaclaz

[was_jaclaz]

Than you need a PE build, not a nlited setup that is what you stated you were using:

- i use nlite and click to remove evrything.
- use the grubinstaller to make it boot grldr
- copy i386 folder (i also wanna put 64 bit xp on the stick later)
- point menu.lst to \i386\whateverboot.file

jaclaz

[was_jaclaz]

The output of running a PE builder program?

Like Bart's PE builder or Winbuilder + a project like Native_ex or LiveXP?

jaclaz

[was_jaclaz]

i asked for nothing script or program pecific

NO, you asked what is a PE build, and I told you.

You are very welcome to reproduce each of the needed steps by hand, it is perfectly possible, IF you know what you have to do.

Point is that to be able to do that you will have anyway to read and learn a lot and possibly run one of those builders, in order to understand what they do.

Or get an old original WinPE v 1.x....

You may want to start reading here:
http://www.nu2.nu/pebuilder/
the Introduction

jaclaz