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#1 ispy

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Posted 03 October 2008 - 07:24 PM

Hi folks :confused1:,

When & If I ever get "SmallXP" running here is a suitable companion for "SmallXP", sorry about the plug but could not help it! Feast your eyes on this little "Sucker"!!!
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You Wanna know more, see here: http://www.windowsfo...6576626868.html
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Now attach that to 50" plasma monitor & you have a contradiction in terms, you could call it "little & large" LOL! 60gigHDD 512Mb ram with XP loaded, whatever will they think of next!
"Screeneys" 4 TheHive!
ENJOY!

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#2 TheHive

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Posted 04 October 2008 - 04:30 AM

Thats very small. Thanks for the pics. You forgot.

According to CompuLab, the Fit-PC Slim is available in a bare-bones 256MB configuration without WiFi for $220, or a 512MB version with WiFi but no hard drive for $245. Versions that include 60MB hard drives, 512MB of RAM, and either Windows XP Home or Linux, cost $335 and $295, respectively.

The company adds that Windows XP Professional is also available, but runs up the tab to $395. Presumably, the device is also compatible with Windows XP Embedded.



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Posted 04 October 2008 - 09:54 AM

Hi TheHive :confused1: ,

I thought you would like it!

You forgot.

Jammed between the pic's is the link to the site & therefore describes all the details that you have mentioned.

I will hold peoples hands up to a point thereafter it might be considered Gay (If Male) & that is self misrepresentation, as I do not have a "?" mark on my birth certificate!

All the Best,

ispy :cheers:

#4 was_jaclaz

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Posted 04 October 2008 - 11:20 AM

Site is here:
http://www.fit-pc.com/new/

VERY nice. :confused1:

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Posted 04 October 2008 - 11:54 AM

Hi Jaclaz :confused1: ,

They say it is a "Fanless" unit, well it's got one fan & tis ME!

R&R,

ispy :cheers:

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Posted 04 October 2008 - 02:53 PM

I'll be damned :confused1: when I will understand marketing strategies.

The Fit-PC appears to be VERY competitively priced, the makers are actually an Israeli company, Compulab, which sells the SAME product as an evaluation kit for US$ 1,400.00 and as a end user PC for US$295.00 :cheers::
http://www.compulab.co.il/index.htm
http://www.compulab....m#iGLX-ENC-EVAL
http://www.compulab....it-pc-terms.htm

http://www.fit-pc.com/new/
http://www.fit-pc.co...-us-canada.html

If I hadn't found it written on the respective sites I wouldn't have believed it!

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Posted 04 October 2008 - 06:56 PM

I think its a bit high in price. It should be less then $150. You can buy a PC for around $299. 1GB Ram and such.

The reason I posted the full details is just in case they change on the site you point to. It tends to happen.

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Posted 04 October 2008 - 07:26 PM

I think its a bit high in price. It should be less then $150. You can buy a PC for around $299. 1GB Ram and such.


Hmmm, :confused1: I have to disagree, if you compare it with "normal" PC's you are right, but if you compare with other "small footprint" solutions, such as micro-itx and expecially pico-itx based ones, the price is just about right.

Besides, from what I've read it seems like the AMD Geode at 500 Mhz is more responsive than older VIA EDEN C3 at 600 Mhx (to remain in the fanless niche) though of course a bit slower than newish C7 clocked at 1000 Mhz, but that, as said, besides having a slightly larger footprint and definitely steeper in costs.

The "direct" challenger should be the VIA Artigo:
http://www.via.com.t...rtigo/index.jsp

which sells for around US$ 299.00:
http://via-itx.com/v...uilder-kit.html
but WITHOUT hard disk (+ 50.00 US$).

FYI, here is a site with a number of links to similar products:
http://cjtrizioso.wo...-nano-pico-itx/

There are several "lower end" "brick PC's" based on PC104 boards, but they are greatly underpowered when compared to the ones above, and of course there is the gumstix:
http://gumstix.com/index.html
which is a great little thingy :cheers:, but that cannot be compared.

the Linutop:
http://www.linutop.c...p/index.en.html
is similar, but still it seems to me less value for money.

If some of the "BIG" names enter the field, I'm sure prices will drop down fast, ASUS after the success of the eeePC will probably get something out of the hat soon. :cheers:

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#9 MedEvil

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Posted 04 October 2008 - 08:17 PM

Anyone around here have experience with such little buggers?

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#10 TheHive

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Posted 05 October 2008 - 12:17 AM

Hmmm, I have to disagree, if you compare it with "normal" PC's you are right, but if you compare with other "small footprint" solutions, such as micro-itx and expecially pico-itx based ones, the price is just about right.

Yeah! I was saying it compared to a normal towered PC. I think I forgot how small this thing is. And youre right that is comparable to it competitors but with a better price value compare to similar items.

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Posted 05 October 2008 - 08:54 AM

Anyone around here have experience with such little buggers?

:confused1:


I have been running VIA EPIA mini-itx based systems (fanless C3@600Mhz and "fanned" C3@1000Mhz) for some 5 years, does it count as experience? :cheers:

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Posted 05 October 2008 - 12:07 PM

This might be a fun device to see some films in the living room or take the whole machine with you to a presentation but it also mentions the need of a 12V battery charger - I wonder if it won't add too much bulk to carry around? :confused1:

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Found another item like this - http://cgi.ebay.com/...id=p3286.c0.m14

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Posted 05 October 2008 - 12:28 PM

The "charger" is just a smallish power supply, like the one you have to carry for your notebook.

The site for the one you found is here:
http://www.cappuccin.../espressopc.asp
but it is "out of target" as it does have a FAN, and it is a "discontinued" model, here are the new ones:

http://www.cappuccin.../cappuccino.asp
http://www.cappuccinopc.com/mocha.asp

These are the fanless models:
http://www.cappuccin...ons/fanless.asp
more powerful but rather steep in price, starting at US$685.00 :confused1:

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#14 MedEvil

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Posted 05 October 2008 - 02:07 PM

I have been running VIA EPIA mini-itx based systems (fanless C3@600Mhz and "fanned" C3@1000Mhz) for some 5 years, does it count as experience?

Have you running them like any ordinary computer or make use of their size by having them portable?

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Posted 05 October 2008 - 02:56 PM

The "fanned" ones as "normal" desktops.

The "fanless" ones as "semi-portable", basically I cannot afford "maintenance time" or "downtimes", thus I have two such systems, of which one runs 24/7, I prepare the second one to be an exact replica of the first, if anything goes wrong with any of the "working" one, personnel (not necessarily hardware or software experts) simply exchange the working "brick" with the "spare" one by disconnecting and re-connecting a few cables.

Hard disks are in trays, if the problem is not HD related, "old" hard disk is re-used in "new" "brick", otherwise, since data is periodically (three to six times per day) backed up to a NAS, when the new "brick" is connected, a simple batch can restore latest data on local drive.

Also, for example with software upgrades or new configurations, I make them in the backoffice, then in a few minutes I simply exchange "bricks".

They have no floppy, no CD/DVD drive and have USB disabled, thus they are relatively "safe" from possible "external" influence.

The actual advantage (given that excessive memory and processor power is unneeded) is the extremely low power consumtpion, I have 90W power supplies, but actual consumption is much lower, always below 30W, on average aroound 25W, this calculator is accurate enough:
http://resources.min...rsimulator.html

A further advantage is their absolute silentness.

The other advantage for me is that I had twice previously the problem of the processor fan being blocked by dust (with older "normal" systems), with processor going into thermal shut-off, and of course both times it happened at night (at two and half past three respectively) and guess who was called in the middle of the night to fix it? :confused1:

:cheers:

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Posted 09 October 2008 - 12:48 AM

Just ordered one of these. They say shipping takes about a week. I'm interested in the low power aspect (6W). The low mhz concerns me but I'm sure a cut-down XP install will help. Once you get out of the standard batch of AMD and Intel processors performance gets weird. Some things run fine and others bog down considerably. Can't wait to see how "fit" this PC really is!

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Posted 09 October 2008 - 11:41 PM

:cheers: maby this is taking 'small' a step to far ..
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FATtutorial/teardown: (html) (pdf)

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http://dev.emcelettr...y/tags/ftpmicro ( also # Spanish & Italian)
Open source software for FAT file system over MMC SDC


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Posted 10 October 2008 - 07:45 AM

Well, the gumstix is even smaller:
http://www.gumstix.com/
and, more than that, it is the smallest (and possibly only) FLYING webserver in the world :confused1:
http://cswww.essex.a...en/research.htm

The construction of the first prototype UltraSwarm node has been successfully completed - it is fitted with a Gumstix miniature Linux computer and a Bluetooth module, and we believe it is currently the smallest flying web server in the world - in the picture it is serving up the project web page over the Bluetooth link!

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:cheers:

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#19 MedEvil

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Posted 10 October 2008 - 02:58 PM

That sounds like a fun project!

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Posted 11 October 2008 - 06:42 PM

Very cool stuff! Thanks for all the fun links :confused1:

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Posted 18 October 2008 - 12:32 AM

My Fit-PC Slim came in!

First impressions: Two screws to open it up. I am a bit worried about stripping them but two screws is better than 4 or 12. The AMD Geode CPU has some putty-like thermal transfer compound that inadvertently comes off every time you slide off the top of the case. The thing does heat up but I have yet to run it through its paces (to see if it eventually locks). Most drivers are present on the XP disc. I Googled the Fit-PC forums to find the link to drivers. Have yet to actually install all of the drivers though. Seems acceptable performance for basic Windows navigation. Did not install any applications yet. Hard drive installation threw up some weird errors. When a blank hard drive is present the BIOs goes into some sort of debug command line. After a proper partition and boot loader was present this debug command-line went away.. hopefully for good. The unit is small enough to fit okay in a pair of blue jeans. Put the AC adapter in your other pocket and you're good to go! I never got USB booting to work for anything but a CD drive. Tried USB card readers and flash memory sticks with no good result. The power button is sometimes hard to press because it's small and recessed slightly. Anyway, all in all, a good start I think. I might make it my new file server as my USB hard drive at home is making grinding fan noises - probably disturbing my sleep at night. :confused1:

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Posted 18 October 2008 - 04:53 AM

So you bought what version. Was it the one that included the HD or did you get the basic. More details.
Overall price paid at the end.

Do write more of youre tests, that is as you play with it.

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Posted 18 October 2008 - 06:02 PM

My Fit-PC Slim came in!


GOOD news. :cheers:

I never got USB booting to work for anything but a CD drive. Tried USB card readers and flash memory sticks with no good result.

BAD news. :confused1:

That would be a serious inconvenience, did you try hard enough :cheers: or did you just try and gave up after a first attempt failure? :cheers:

It would be really strange that such a newish thingie fails to boot properly from USB.

Which BIOS has it?

One of the "usual" (Award, Ami) ones or a particular one?


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Posted 19 October 2008 - 08:11 AM

Since the slim is said to support SSD

You can complete fit-PC Slim Diskless with one of these storage devices:

A USB thumb drive
2.5" ATA SSD
IDE 44 to CompactFlash adapter + CF card



I found the prices for the devices real high but found the following that is not a bad deal compared to other brands.

Original price $215.95
OCZ Core Series SATA II 2.5 inch 64GB Flash Drive $145.95 After $70 Mail in Rebate
http://www.2cooltek....SSD2-1C64G.html

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Original price $389.95
OCZ Core Series SATA II 2.5-inch 128GB Flash Drive $299.95 After $90 Mail in Rebate
http://www.2cooltek....SD2-1C128G.html

#25 Nuno Brito

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Posted 19 October 2008 - 11:20 PM

Really cool, SSD drives are the future with no doubt! :confused1:




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