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#1 ispy

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Posted 10 September 2008 - 11:09 PM

OOOOoooo wee, I want one :huh: Round & round the protons go

Scientists are celebrating the start of a £5bn experiment to re-create the big bang, which threw space and time into being 13.7bn years ago.Protons will be fired through a 17-mile tunnel under Switzerland and be made to smash into each other. The first beam completed its maiden journey through the Large Hadron Collider (LHC)without incident this morning. The flashing of two white dots on a computer screen indicated that the protons had reached the final point of the world's largest particle accelerator.

This prompted a cheer and the popping of champagne corks - but there was still a long way to go. Scientists fired up the second beam of protons - one of the building blocks of atoms - several hours later. Its journey, which runs in the opposite direction to the first beam, also went off without a hitch. The experiment is aiming to capture an image of the conditions that existed a billionth of a second after the Big Bang. Physicist Dr Alan Barr, who is also in Geneva working on the project, told Sky News:

"The atmosphere is absolutely electric. Things have gone really smoothly." One of the operating officers in Geneva, Verena Kain, told reporters the priority was to get both beams stable before fine-tuning begins. However, scientist have warned that the full physics of the project would not be fully realised for some time. "We are expecting to see the first collisions in the next few weeks. But we won't see the first science for maybe six months, maybe a year," Dr Barr told Sky News. "And we will be double-checking and triple-checking before we publish our results." He added that whatever is discovered could change science in much the same way Albert Einstein's theory of relativity did.
One of the theories being put to the test relates to the Higgs Boson. The particle is a theoretical idea to explain mass in the universe - but it has never been proved. The man who lends his name to the theory, Professor Peter Higgs, said today he believed it was "pretty likely" the particle would be discovered. "The way I put it is that if there isn't anything there, then it means I and a lot of other people no longer understand all the things we understand about these weak and electromagnetic interactions," he said. LHC project leader Lyndon Evans told reporters: "If the Higgs particle isn't there, it opens up more questions than it answers."

It has been called the largest science experiment since Apollo sent its astronauts to the Moon, and the mood at the Cern Research Centre at the start of the day was something akin to Mission Control. Nothing at the centre had been left to chance. Not least the level of secrecy seemingly necessary in the world of particle physics. "We are sending one beam of particles one way, then another the other way," one of the enthusiastic scientists told Sky News. "But we can't tell you which direction we're sending the beam first - that's a secret." Sky News reporter Orla Chennaoui, in Geneva for the switching on of the accelerator, said what was less of a secret was the much-hyped danger that it may create black holes that would eventually tear the Earth apart. "The scientists involved in the experiment do not believe this will happen - and those in the Atlas control room certainly did not look as if they were preparing for the end of the world," she said. "There is no talk of black holes or impending doom - which are regarded as the closest thing to an impossibility as it is possible for scientists to predict. "Instead, they are hoping to unlock the secrets of the universe.

"For those unable to fathom the enormity of recreating the Big Bang, the practical uses for techniques developed here are impressive in themselves. "Pet scanners, radiotherapy machines, even the World Wide Web have been developed thanks to Cern techniques and similar technological advances can be predicted as a result of these experiments. "At a cost of £4.4bn and running up an annual electricity bill of £15m, the big money is on the big question: can this machine help explain the origins of the universe?"

Whatever will they think of next?

They should have spoken to Jaclaz their theories are unfounded! :huh:

R&R,

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#2 Mikorist

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Posted 11 September 2008 - 09:48 AM

Ok, let me rephrase. :huh:

Theoretically, EVERY number, up to the needed precision, can be expressed as a fraction, so to carry with you the entire Encyclopedia Britannica, aptly coded, you could carry just two sticks (and a length measurement device with enough precision, which most likely would need a couple of trucks), then you just divide the length of the first stick by the length of the second one and you get the original coded number.
Before you come out with a new smart idea :), someone has already suggested that to save some weight, you can get rid of the shorter stick, by simply making a sign at the exact measure on the longer one....:)

Once proved the theory, one must try and find a practical way.

Now, to go back to your screenshot, it could be possible if you are willing to wait, after the initial 00:05:12, another 57950508:17:12 to complete compression.
57,950,508 hours amount, roughly, to 2,414,604 days, or 80,487 months, or 6,707 years.

What you could do is to start the program, board on a spaceship capable of traveling very near to the speed of light, and come back after a few (relative to you) years, actually 6,707 "earth" years, to find the compressed file ready.

There would be no (theoretical) problem in this plan, but just imagine living a few years in the constant fear that a power sourge, or outage, hardware failure or software bug has stopped the execution of the program..... :)

However, once you come back, you put the file on a floppy (which production by the way has ceased some 6,500 years before) and give it to one of your friends, that has to start his own (due to Moore's law) possibly much shorter spacetrip to uncompress it..... :)

No, all in all I would say it's not a very practical solution.... :huh:

see what is my friend send to me

Given the above, you still sure he is a "friend"? :)


jaclaz


Recreating the Big Bang, the practical uses for techniques developed here are impressive in themselves. Pet scanners, radiotherapy machines

and KGB Archiver !!!

The problem is that nothing can travel faster than the speed of light.

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#3 ispy

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Posted 11 September 2008 - 10:36 AM

Mikorist Mikorist Mikorist :huh: ,

You wait till jaclaz gets here & puts evertyhting into context :)
With his enumerable web links (which are the nearest thing you can find to a black hole anyway) & carefully selected Smileys, the man is an artist, one day they will place his posts in the tate art gaLLary, people will pay millions for em! (Just Kidding)

The problem is that nothing can travel faster than the speed of light.

Oh Yeh!
The creator of light itself, in the beginning...
or a close second:
Women's lips when gossipping....
& a close third:
An Ethiopian chicken.
& fourth:
Place two points at the extremeties of the universe, imagine, in one second travelling from end to another, thats faster surely thought/imagination :) "Beam me up Scottie" Warp factor 9 make it so, "Eye" "Eye" captian PeeCard - shake rattle & roll"

R&R,

ispy :huh:

#4 was_jaclaz

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Posted 11 September 2008 - 01:43 PM

With his enumerable web links (which are the nearest thing you can find to a black hole anyway) & carefully selected Smileys, the man is an artist, one day they will place his posts in the tate art gaLLary, people will pay millions for em! (Just Kidding)


I guess that some cash advance is out of question, is it? :huh:

jaclaz

P.S.: For the record, the cited thread is here:
http://www.boot-land.../?showtopic=994

#5 Mikorist

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Posted 11 September 2008 - 05:16 PM

I guess that some cash advance is out of question, is it? :huh:

jaclaz

P.S.: For the record, the cited thread is here:
http://www.boot-land.../?showtopic=994


"Where is Jaclaz by the way?"

"They should have spoken to Jaclaz their theories are unfounded!"

With his enumerable web links (which are the nearest thing you can find to a black hole anyway) & carefully selected Smileys, the man is an artist, one day they will place his posts in the tate art gaLLary, people will pay millions for em! (Just Kidding)




Jaclaz has my full respect and that cited thread provides extensive and complete
replies packed with so much knowledge and especially because is from personal message...
This is not - Just Kidding...A true friend who selflessly helped
me and learn me in many ways. ...


KGB Archiver & Recreating the Big Bang

Big Bang model, is theory of the universe expanded from an extremely compression
from existence out of binary zeroes as the result of a random quantum fluctuation.

Who is the Big Bang Archiver?


My result: Maybe the Big Bang machine is interesting, but for me it is unusable.

#6 ispy

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Posted 11 September 2008 - 08:14 PM

Hi Mikorist/Jaclaz :huh: ,

Jaclaz has my full respect and that cited thread provides extensive and complete
replies packed with so much knowledge and especially because is from personal message...
This is not - Just Kidding...A true friend who selflessly helped
me and learn me in many ways. ...

@ Mikorist - Here! Here! I will 2nd that, in the short time I have known Jaclaz (& in fact, I have to say other members on Boot-Land) I have the greatest respect & admiration for him & others who frequent this site, you have got a great team here!

@Jaclaz -

I guess that some cash advance is out of question, is it?

Unfortunately you know how this story pans out, All good artists do not become famous until they are six feet under. The rule of thumb is they never appreciate the true artist until he is "Goone" unless you are a rock star that is! So my friend you will be immortalized & fame will come knocking once you are gone, never mind we all appreciate you & if your stuck for cash we could all pass the hat around. I just wanted to let you know that I too am an "Artist" of sorts, a "P" Artist :huh: > :) > :) . No I'm not that bad really...!
@ Mikorist
I just like to have a laugh along the way & hope I don't take myself to seriously, the mirror reminds of this, every time I pass it, LOL! See I cannot help it!

Who is the Big Bang Archiver?

SHhhhh! keep your voice down MedEvil might hear I've already got a black mark against me for off topical religious posts!
The Architect of the Cosmos/universe the 1 you cannot put in a pigeonhole, God!
By the way I thought the KGB were Russian secret police!

If I type anything that is directly or indirectly offensive just let me know & I will strike it from the records, with an apology because, as surely as day follows night, I am bound to cause offense to someone along the way, its a question of when! "Apologies in advance"

Hope you enjoyed the little article from the Sky news re the "Big Bang" or more accurately pin prick light experiment, it was after all a momentous occasion.

R&R,

ispy :)




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