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[MedEvil]

Which XP features do not work for you with LiveXP, NaughtyPE?
pcmcia?, power management?, ....

[Brito]

Good question.

To be picky:

- Touchscreen
- WIFI
- Fingerprint sensor
- IR remote control
- Graphic board support (directX / openGL would be nice)

All of these functions are redundant when booting from a rescue OS but I'd miss them if required to use the laptop for everyday work.

[MedEvil]

So powermanagement, and general PCMCIA support already work? Thought those were still broken.

Just to be clear about this, the problems you've mentioned exist even if you install the device dependent drivers. ?

I ask because at least NaughtyPE has OpenGL support.
Or does it not work?



PS: What kind of DirectX support we're talking about? Full fledged Game support or something more specific?

[Brito]

I'm not worried about Power Management or PCMCIA (it was replaced with Card Express interfaces on both laptops)

Just to be clear about this, the problems you've mentioned exist even if you install the device dependent drivers. ?

They would likely also need the specific software from the machine's vendor to be installed and allow interfacing with the drivers. This is something very difficult to be done in a generic project so I would ask for InstallShield support instead to allow installing them ourselves to the running OS and then allow some method to update the hives with the given changes.

PS: What kind of DirectX support we're talking about? Full fledged Game support or something more specific?

I would see naughtyPE as a multimedia focused build so it would be great to run a few popular games on a extra slim (when compared to full size) windows XP

Graphic acceleration and sound support would be a must to play.

There is also a very interesting request that I think that would be interesting to add on this project: http://www.boot-land...5300#entry40694

It's an user requesting a specific machine to be used as an arcade environment to run MAME games.

http://mamedev.org/release.html

[MedEvil]

I'm not worried about Power Management

Why ? Do you use your laptop only when connected to the power grid?

PCMCIA (it was replaced with Card Express interfaces on both laptops)

Did they change just the name or is this a completely different thing?

They would likely also need the specific software from the machine's vendor to be installed and allow interfacing with the drivers. This is something very difficult to be done in a generic project so I would ask for InstallShield support instead to allow installing them ourselves to the running OS and then allow some method to update the hives with the given changes.

You find me again confused. Wouldn't that be the job for the WB developer to find a way to use install shield instead of a scripts in projects?

I would see naughtyPE as a multimedia focused build so it would be great to run a few popular games on a extra slim (when compared to full size) windows XP

Graphic acceleration and sound support would be a must to play.

I see NaughtyPE more as a portable MiniXP. So it should one day enable the user to do everything he/she usually does on a normal XP. Though not necessary with the same software, given the size limitation.

Direct Draw and Direct Sound are already integrated into NaughtyPE and fully working. All one needs to add, are his/her hardware specific drivers and off you go.
I tested with chipsets, processors and grafic chips from intel, amd, sis, via, ati, gForce and even nForce.
All worked fine.

If anyone wants to turn NaughtyPE into a gamers edition, most of his work will be to create a drivers pack to support all the different hardware out there. Followed by finding all the additional dll that those games need.
DirectX however will not be a problem.

But on a general note i would like to repeat myself and say that for any application that needs a fully working XP to such a great extend. I wouldn't waste my time with any PE and use a normal XP, maybe nlited a bit.

There is also a very interesting request that I think that would be interesting to add on this project: http://www.boot-land...5300#entry40694

It's an user requesting a specific machine to be used as an arcade environment to run MAME games.

http://mamedev.org/release.html

Sorry, don't understand what you wanna say and can't read the thread.


My goal at the moment is not to implement any features specific to any direction of application.
I'm trying to get all the basics fully working, so that one can take NaughtyPE into any direction desired, just by adding his/her project specific drivers and software. (No more: "Hey, i included all the needed drivers and dll, why is the damn thing still not working!" )

[was_jaclaz]

Did they change just the name or is this a completely different thing?

PCMCIA is "just a name" of the standard association, just like ISO:
http://pcmcia.org/

Actually there were TWO different PC-CARD standards, one at +3,3V and one at +5V:
http://pinouts.ru/Sl...rd_pinout.shtml
http://digital.ni.co...75?OpenDocument
PC Card is a 16 bit bus

Most connections are "standard" IDE ones:
http://www2.wau.nl/h.../cfadapter.html

And there is the CARDBUS, which is 32 bit:
http://pinouts.ru/Sl...us_pinout.shtml

And the newish EXPRESSCARD, which is 32bit as well with more features.

You can think at them like this:
PCCARD=ISA
CARDBUS=PCI
EXPRESSCARD=PCIEXPRESS (with hotplug)

jaclaz

[Brito]

Jaclaz explained everything very well, currently I don't think many newish laptops since 1~2 years even come with PCMCIA anymore.

Power management is also not a worry, laptops are usually connected to the power line instead of running on batteries which only lasts for 2~3 hours depending on the usage.

Typical use for a laptop is turned on all day long even when going back home from work..

I had one of those PCMCIA internet cards to get online and was sad because was necessary to get new equipment and this time I chose USB with the auto-install feature..

Sorry, don't understand what you wanna say and can't read the thread.

Google is your friend when it comes to translations..

Sorry for not making this available sooner: http://www.google.co...%...sl=pt&tl=de

I will recommend this user to try out NaughtyPE.

[MedEvil]

You can think at them like this:
PCCARD=ISA
CARDBUS=PCI
EXPRESSCARD=PCIEXPRESS (with hotplug)

Thanks for the thorough explanation, will have to look for what those other two need.
I assume XP can handle all 3!?

[MedEvil]

Google is your friend when it comes to translations..

Sorry for not making this available sooner: http://www.google.co...%...sl=pt&tl=de

I will recommend this user to try out NaughtyPE.

If google is a friend when i comes to translations, it's a friend with a mean sense of humor!
Couldn't get much out of your conversation, but that he want's to run mame with full hardware acceleration and wants no splashscreen of some sort.
Can you tell me, why the heck he wants to use a PE?

[Brito]

Not strictly a PE.

He wants a XP that displays an image instead of the standard XP boot logo when starting and use this OS on a machine that will run arcade games using MAME instead of the default shell.

NaughtyPE would be a good candidate to keep the OS lite and portable.

[MedEvil]

Not strictly a PE.

He wants a XP that displays an image instead of the standard XP boot logo when starting and use this OS on a machine that will run arcade games using MAME instead of the default shell.

NaughtyPE would be a good candidate to keep the OS lite and portable.

For games one has to have the correct hardware dependent drivers. There's just no way around this.
So portability, even of such a fine PE as NaughtyPE , is pretty much questionable without a PE driver pack, which we don't have. Yet!?

[was_jaclaz]

Isn't this the oldish bootvid.dll thingie:
http://www.boot-land.../?showtopic=360



jaclaz