16 replies to this topic

[Brito]

This ought be a good lesson to ask and understand before you sign anything without understanding the consequences.

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[pscEx]

This ought be a good lesson to ask and understand before you sign anything without understanding the consequences.

Peter

[MedEvil]

That's my general problem with democracy.
It's a good idea theoretical, just practical it's as worst as it can get.

Basicly democracy means that the majority rules.
Problem with that is, that maybe everyone has an opinion, but only few have the required knowledge.

[ispy]

Hi Nuno & Co ,

Die-Hydroglific Minioxidus, LOL! awful stuff "YES" I will sign your petition NP! If I was to be perfectly honest I would have signed You would have to classify me as a "know not" especially where chemistry is involved!

Very Good point though!

Regards,

ispy

[TheHive]

Good post. I probably would have signed. Sounds evil when they talked about it.

[MedEvil]

In the law school my daughter attends, the teachers performed a mockup trial and the students had to be the jury.
It was about a murderer and the only piece of evidence was some DNA found at the victim.
The DNA expert said that the found DNA was a match with the one of the accused and that the tests have only a margin of error of 0,001%.

Guess how the majority of the jury voted.

[pscEx]

In the law school my daughter attends, the teachers performed a mockup trial and the students had to be the jury.
It was about a murderer and the only piece of evidence was some DNA found at the victim.
The DNA expert said that the found DNA was a match with the one of the accused and that the tests have only a margin of error of 0,001%.

Guess how the majority of the jury voted.

I do not know.

But at least in our German fundamental law we have the (old latin) sentence: In dubio pro reo.

In my opinion that means: If there is any doubt (in spite in this case nearly 0!) the candidate is innocent.

He cannot be sent to prison because of a 'propability'.

Peter

[MedEvil]

In my opinion that means: If there is any doubt (in this case nearly 0!) the candidate is innocent.

If that were true, DNA testing would fly right out of the window. Since it comes always with a margin of error. As most other tests do too.

[pscEx]

If that were true, DNA testing would fly right out of the window. Since it comes always with a margin of error. As most other tests do too.

Maybe that is my personal opinion:

The judge does not say: We have proofed that you did ????. Therefore you get 10 years of jail.
The judge says: It is rather propable that you did ????. Therefore you get 10 years of jail.

NONSENCE!

Peter

[MedEvil]

Peter i don't want to frighten you, but law is anything but, what a computer geek would call, exact.
Ever since my daughter started studing, all i can do is shake my haed.
Law does not compute!

The best way to describe a trial in a court of law is like a match of tennis. Even if the starting point would always be the same (same crime, same person). Simply changing the players (lawyers, judge, jury) would yield immensly different end results.
Yet, the way i understand the idea of law, the players or the machinery which creates the judgement, should not affect by itself the endresult.

[pscEx]

Peter i don't want to frighten you, but law is anything but, what a computer geek would call, exact.
Ever since my daughter started studing, all i can do is shake my haed.
Law does not compute!

The best way to describe a trial in a court of law is like a match of tennis. Even if the starting point would always be the same (same crime, same person). Simply changing the players (lawyers, judge, jury) would yield immensly different end results.
Yet, the way i understand the idea of law, the players or the machinery which creates the judgement, should not affect by itself the endresult.

Let me tell a story:
There is a rather experienced judge.
His secretary came to him and told him:
Here is a letter: 'Yesterday your dog attacked me and bit me into my leg. I could accuse you at a law, but if you send me 100 €, the issue is forgotten'.

The judge filled out a template to transfer the money and asked his secretary to process that.

The secretary said "Sorry Sir, but I know that you do not have a dog"

The judge answered "I know that, too. But do you know how the courts decide"

Peter

[MedEvil]

The judge answered "I know that, too. But do you know how the courts decide"

Exactly my point!

[ispy]

Hi all ,

Whilst studying basic law in college many moons ago I might add, we would discuss different systems of administrating law e.g The adversarial system (or adversary system) & the inquisitorial system found in Europe. Here is a link http://en.wikipedia....ersarial_system to explain the differences, which system, in your countries do you adopt?
Innocent till proved guilty?
or Guilty to you prove your innocence?

Regards & Best Wishes,

ispy

[pscEx]

Hi all ,

Whilst studying basic law in college many moons ago I might add, we would discuss different systems of administrating law e.g The adversarial system (or adversary system) & the inquisitorial system found in Europe. Here is a link http://en.wikipedia....ersarial_system to explain the differences, which system, in your countries do you adopt?
Innocent till proved guilty?
or Guilty to you prove your innocence?

Regards & Best Wishes,

ispy

I understand none of 'adversarial system (or adversary system) & the inquisitorial system'
Suggestion: learn German and use an understandable language!
Peter

[MedEvil]

Since it seems nobody got it or cared enough to think about it. Here the solution.

It's basicly the same as with the dihyromonoxide.
You represent a fact in an unfamiliar way and people start making wrong decisions.
An error marging of 0,001% means, despite that the number looks so small, nothing else but 1:100000.
Which means in a city like Berlin with 6 million inhabitants, you will get 60 matches.




btw. The reason for this thing working, is 'the emporers new clothes'.

[ispy]

Hi all ,

Yes Yes Yes! We all know the law is an ass, but lets get back to the basic's who's got the anti dihydroglyphic monoplexide petition papers to sign Come on guys this is serious stuff "Save Our Planet, Save our Planet" after me "Save Our Planet"

Regards & Respect,

ispy

[Moon Goon]

Personally I'm too lazy to vote or sign petitions. I just refuse to use water on principle. Needless to say I haven't had a date in years