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#1 ispy

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Posted 15 April 2008 - 07:43 PM

Hi all :thumbsup: found this floating around on the net whatdayathink?

Whether you like **** ***** (Edited) or not...this is pretty
cool. Here's some advice **** ****** (Edited) recently dished out
at a high school speech about 11 things they did not
learn in school. He talks about how feel-good,
politically correct teaching has created a full
generation of kids with no concept of reality and how
this concept sets them up for failure in the real
world.

RULE 1
Life is not fair - get used to it.

RULE 2
The world won't care about your self-esteem. The world
will expect you to accomplish something BEFORE you feel
good about yourself.

RULE 3
You will NOT make 40 thousand dollars a year right out
of high school. You won't be a vice president with
car phone, until you earn both.

RULE 4
If you think your teacher is tough, wait till you get a
boss. He doesn't have tenure.

RULE 5
Flipping burgers is not beneath your dignity. Your
grandparents had a different word for burger flipping
they
called it Opportunity.

RULE 6
If you mess up,it's not your parents' fault, so don't
whine about your mistakes, learn from them.

RULE 7
Before you were born, your parents weren't as boring as
they are now. They got that way from paying your bills,
cleaning your clothes and listening to you talk about
how cool you are. So before you save the rain forest
from the parasites of your parent's generation, try
delousing the closet in your own room.

RULE 8
Your school may have done away with winners and losers,
but life has not. In some schools they have abolished
failing grades and they'll give you as many times as
you want to get the right answer. This doesn't bear the
slightest resemblance to ANYTHING in real life.

RULE 9
Life is not divided into semesters. You don't get
summers off and very few employers are interested in
helping you find yourself. Do that on your own time.

RULE 10
Television is NOT real life. In real life people
actually have to leave the coffee shop and go to jobs.

RULE 11
Be nice to nerds. Chances are you'll end up working for
one.

Apparently, **** ***** never said these things & the weight of evidence suggests that this is a Hoax!
My appologies to anyone who is offended by this post it was not meant to antagonise anyone, merely to stimulate healthy debate.

Regards,

ispy :tabletalk:
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Posted 15 April 2008 - 08:30 PM

Regardless from who said those topics - I must say that it illustrates a bitter and often hidden reality indeed. :thumbsup:

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Posted 15 April 2008 - 09:07 PM

Hi Nuno :thumbsup: ,

Putting myself in the postion of a high school student I don't think I would appreciate listening to that!
(A cynical perspective)
Anyway what about this in contrast, wisdom transcript

Go placidly amid the noise & haste,
and remember what peace there may be in silence.

As far as possible without surrender be on good terms with all people
speak your truth quietly & clearly; and listen to all
even to the dull & ignorant;
they too have their story.

Avoid loud & aggressive people, they are vexations to the spirit.
if you compare yourself to others you will become vain & bitter;
there will always be greater and lesser persons than yourself.

Enjoy your achievements as well as your plans,
keep interested in your own career, however humble;
it is a real possession in the changing fortunes of time.
Exercise caution in your business affairs; for the world is full of trickery
but let not this blind you to the virtue there is;
many persons strive for high ideals; and everywhere life is full of heroics

Be yourself especially do not feign affection.
neither be cynical about love;
in the face of all aridity and disenchantment it is as perenial as the grave

Take kindly the counsel of years,
gracefully surrendering the things of youth.
nurture strenth of the spirit to shield you in sudden misfortune.
But do not distress yourself with imaginings.
Many fears are born of fatigue and loneliness.
Beyond a wholesome discipline be gentle with yourself.

You are a child of the universe,
no less than the trees and the stars;
you have the right to be here.
And whether or not it is clear to you,
no doubt the universe is unfolding as it should.

Therefore be at peace with God,
whatever you conceive him to be.
And whatever your labours and aspirations,
in the noisy confusion of life keep peace with your soul.

With all its sham, drudgery and broken dreams,
it is still a beautiful world.
be cheerful.
strive to be happy.


I must be having a philosophical evening tonight!

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#4 TheHive

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Posted 16 April 2008 - 01:34 AM

The first post seems to have a lot of good points.

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Posted 16 April 2008 - 04:53 PM

Hahaha.. i liked the rule 11.. very funny

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Posted 21 April 2008 - 05:14 AM

The world needs a bitter taste of truth. :lol:

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Posted 21 April 2008 - 05:16 AM

This hoax is still floating around? Unbelievable.
This is a simple misattribution. Follow this Snopes link to learn more.

http://www.snopes.co...nt/liferule.asp

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Posted 21 April 2008 - 05:21 AM

Hoax? Ahahahaahah.

It's no surprise this somehow finds an association with Gates simply because of the nerds comment.

First of all, Gates doesn't go around to schools unless he's:
1. found some good shizzle and is still feeling the effects of it.
2. making money off of doing so.

There's no doubt the cited origin of this message is false. It's a bit too obvious not to think so. =/

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Posted 21 April 2008 - 12:17 PM

Can't be sure if this is a real quote from Bill G. However, it does tell us about ourselves. This was written by an adult who clearly has lost his memory of child/teen-hood. What the author of these quotes is really expressing is resentment over things that happened in his life. The world wasn't handed to me on a silver platter - nor did I ever expect life was fair. The world is what you make of it. Bad stuff happens, good stuff happens - you decide how to deal with it.


Any stress-addled, bitter person can rattle off what was quoted. I think (from what I've seen and read) Bill G is politically correct in front of an audience. Doesn't mean he's a charmer in person or as a boss. :lol:

Speaking of Bosses, I think that Bill G would choose to be his own Boss (or at least change jobs) over suffering under a "tough" one. Entrepreneurs find a way through or around obstacles.

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Posted 21 April 2008 - 11:38 PM

well, however wrote it, i like it :lol:
and that last rule, that was very funny man...
That could have been from bill :thumbup:

hell knows how much people he owns :thumbup:

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Posted 23 April 2008 - 10:29 AM

The British equivalent of this.

RULE 1
Life is not fair - you have to make it fair.

RULE 2
The world won't care about your self-esteem.
The fact that you can't accomplish anything without
it is irrelevant to them. That's what friends are
for.

RULE 3
You will NOT make 40 thousand dollars a year right out
of high school. You won't be a vice president with
car phone, until you have shafted all the other idiots who
crave such nonsense by stealing their ideas, undercutting
them to death and then overpricing the goods when the
customer no longer has any choice.

RULE 4
If you think your teacher is tough, wait till you get a
boss. He doesn't have tenure.

Neither do teacher in my country... but your boss can
fire you... a teacher can't expel you, and doesn't pay
for your homework.

RULE 5
Flipping burgers is not beneath your dignity. Your
grandparents had a different word for burger flipping
they called it American exploitation.
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(of their own youth and those of racially *lower* classes,
and BTW that is what our grandparents would call it.
"Over sexed, over paid and over here." and all that.)

RULE 6
You mess up. You are not GOD, and all your mistakes
are not the right thing to do simply because it was you
who did them and not one of your mates.

RULE 7
Before you were born, your parents weren't as boring as
they are now. They got that way from paying your bills,
cleaning your clothes and listening to you talk about
how cool Emmanem is. So before you shoot out the
neighbors windows with an air rifle and steal cars to go
joy riding, try buying those things just to give your friends
the fun of doing it to you.

(our kids don't care about the rainforest... they don't care
about the quality of the street outside their own house much
less the rainforest)

RULE 8
Your school may have "every child counts" but life has not.
In school every child is forced to achieve no more an no
less than the "average" child. Anyone who finnishes early or
late is severely punished with insults. In real life, you will
achieve as much as you want, within your own limitations.

RULE 9
Life is not divided into semesters. You don't get
summers off and very few employers are interested in
helping you find yourself. Or the fact that you know who
you are. They would rather you didn't know, then they
can tell you that you are whatever it is they want you to
be.

RULE 10
Television is NOT real life. In real life people
actually don't have time to keep falling in love and cheating
on their partners. They're too busy working to pay the bills
and take care of their bastard children from drunken office
parties.

RULE 11
Be nice to nerds. Chances are they'll be flipping burgers for
the rest of their natural life, while someone with absolutely no
understanding of how to plug in a toaster bosses them around.


Actually, I find most of his statements here quite offensive.

We don't treat our kids the way he describes... but we do teach
them not to achieve too much or expect anything... regardless
of what they do manage to achieve.

To a certain extent, that's also how we treat adults. The best paid
job in the UK is single mother of about 6. The worst paid job, is
not flipping burgers. That actually pays quite well, and those who
get such a job often don't ever leave. Middle management is
probably the worst paid job... It's where all the people with
reasonable talent and enthusiasm end up.

If your stupid but prepared to bang rocks together... Construction
type work... you're well paid. If you're intelligent enough to know
that what you know, or are capable of is not as important as how
much you can piss other people off, you can work your way into
upper management quite quickly. It's not as well paid as
construction but requires a lot less effort.

We also don't consider anyone over the age of 16 to be a "kid"
They leave compulsory education at 16... they get a job, even
if their occupation is study... they are still working for a living,
with full entitlement to their own home, sex, kids, marriage...
They are adults. Anyone 14 or over is adolescent... working out
what they are going to do with their life... and they pretty much
know that. Unfortunately... they also know that right now they
can't be touched (literally) by their parents, teachers or any
law enforcment. Regardless of the ethicasy, morallity or legality
of their actions, until they are 16. Raising your voice to a "child"
under the age of 16 is illegal, regardless of your relation to them
or the reason for your action.

Tapping one on the shoulder to get them to take their iPod out
of their ears is more severely punishable than just shooting someone
in the head, assuming the "child" wishes to bring charges.

Murderers are typically given 6-15 years... maybe 18 for multiple
homicide. Child abusers (and ushering a school boy through a door
is considered child abuse if he decides it was) have a life long record
preventing internet access, and there for application for most office
work, parental rights, they must notify any prospective employer of
the former charge... and if they are convicted, the sentence can be
up to 20 years.

Recently a mother was given 8 years for slapping her hysterical childes
wrist because he was creating a far more dangerous situation.

Just my two cents worth. Not that this is particularly the place for such
discussion.

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Posted 23 April 2008 - 06:21 PM

Well, what can I say Bobsobol, :lol:

A fellow Brit Greetz matey!

You forgot to mention the poor individual who was fined by the local authority for overfilling his wheeley bin. The bin lid apparently was NOT in the closed position, in fact the gap was 4" or 100mm for those who are metric minded. He failed to pay the 225.00 pound bill so was promptly thrown in prison & given a criminal record.

So any prospective employer who does a background check is going to discover this individual is a Wheeley bin abuser "OOOOOAAAAaaah" shock horror "sarcasm". and now they are thinking of putting camera's in them to ispy on em LOL!

Anyway, Many thanks Bobsobol, you certainly have your finger firmly on current affairs & life as we know it in the UK! Can I request one very slight adaptation to your post as it might cause offence to our American friends, the Americans are very patriotic, I know cuz I have many friends who are American & I luv em to bits so in the interests of sensitivity......(hint Exploitation)? Other than that great post!

Can I now draw everyones attention to the first post & state that those comments were not said by **** *****'s LOL!!! & that it is more than likely a hoax!

My Appologies,

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Posted 24 April 2008 - 04:38 PM

Done and done. Well, not modified, but qualified. I know my grandparents would far rather eat Indian, Greek or Chinese than American food on account of their prescience on our air bases.

There's something funny about begrudging your old allies more than your old enemies. But there it is... The principal Bill was making still stands, if we worked in a Chippy to pay our collage bills our grandparents would be proud... the burger bar is a bit much however, as it promotes foreign influences on the land of good old bare chested queen Bodecia. Rule Britania. :lol:

My wifes parent's, BTW, don't approve of French, Greek or Italian cuisine either. Seeing these as hostile take over attempts by foreign powers. Where as I see my self as a European citizen, and a cultural child of my home county before I am British.

Aside to my European citizenship, I am also a world citizen before I am British. I am part of the internet community, before I am British, and I too have friends in both the US and Canada, among many other countries around the world. I'm sure however that even the hardest nosed of them can understand about the views of our grandparents, and I know even my Texan friends understand about rivalries between localities within a single nation. Their views on New Yorkers are far worse than any lack of faith I may have in our National government.

And though they have less respect for their present president than I have for our present, or previous Prime Minister, at least they feel they can hold him, and his senate responsible for the effects their policies have on the people of their nation. I have no such confidence in any branch of our government. I believe they are an elitist group of individuals (career politicians) who have never lived or worked in the real world, who make decisions about the lives of the nations people based on a spreadsheet with no understanding or care for the real effect. A computer could do a better job, and would cost less. I also have no doubt in my mind that the opposition party(s) would make exactly the same decisions based on exactly the same spreadsheet, regardless of how I vote in any coming election.

In the words of my Texan friends "Y'all are f***ed dude... Sersly". My greatest argument with U.S. citizens is that, if they saw how democracy works in the UK, France or many other European nations... not just the eastern ones. It wouldn't be that which they felt the need to export to the rest of the world. I think some dictatorships have the advantage over some democracies, that at least some "person" is in charge of things, rather than a load of well paid sheep following the dictates of a well oiled machine.

The European Parliament is not a branch of government I, or any other European citizen has much democratic power over. Yet I trust them with my financial, legal and human rights issues far more than my national government. And my local county council is the only place I feel I have any democratic power of vote.

So according to our laws, it is more socially acceptable to rape and kill than to discipline your child or dispose of your house-hold rubbish via publicly available services for which we are so highly taxed. I suppose they would rather he fly tipped his waste?

If we had any control over our government, the council tax which goes into refuse collection would be paid via taxation of manufacturers and distributors on the quantity of packaging they provide with our essential goods. That way we might not need to over fill our bins. More than that, we wouldn't have to pay twice for a product (said packaging) which passes directly through our hands, with almost no practical benefit to our selves. Once at the checkout, and again in our council tax, and I hear some councils are deciding to charge separately again for any non-recycle refuse they collect from each house-hold. I know the Texan response would be "But they can't do that. That's double taxation, and that ain't allowed." Well, I have come across places where we are triple and quadruple taxed according to their "No double taxation" rules.

Again... "Y'all are skrewd." and my favorite "Why d' y'all put up with that sh**?" like we have any choice in the matter.

Perhaps government accountable to those it governs is more important than democracy, as the two are obviously neither mutually exclusive, nor one in the same thing. Loosing the ability to impeach or take legal action against their President was where the French last fell far foul of an accountable government.

Anyway... my point was that I agree with the idea that we are failing to prepare our children for the real world in their education... but in this country, we have an entirely different method of failing them. We teach them that they are invincible, untouchable and the master of all they see. Simply because they are children.

Of course, once they stop being children, this will all change drastically. :thumbup:

I'm afraid this winds me up rather, because I have, until just recently, been working as an IT Tech and Network Admin in a Secondary School and Sixth Form Collage. (thats ages 11 - 16 and 16 - 18 for those outside the UK Education System. Keystage 3 to 6 and F&HE is our closest representation of the Grade system in the US. We cannot "hold back" a grade... Students progress through the years regardless of whether they can keep up, or are beaning held back by the rest of that year. The only allowance made is that they are banded for each subject into A and B bands where the B band is hoping to just pass, and the A band is expected to actually get a grade worth mentioning in a CV or Resume. In layman's terms.)

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Posted 24 April 2008 - 06:33 PM

Very interesting insights about British Laws and Education. :lol:

Consider the following as an attempt to a friendly "hug" and a pat on the shoulder :thumbup::

Some of this week news:
A thirtyish guy was condemned to a (symbolical) ten days of prison and a small fine for having "harassed" a fiftyish woman by "staring at her insistently" (both people were traveling aboard a commuter train) :thumbup:
http://www.90011.it/...izia=3342&tags=

An Italian Province (I guess the equivalent of a district in Britain) has determined that the lowest possible grade you can give to a pupil is 4. (traditionally in Italy it is in use a mixed system, where teachers give a judgement and a reating, in ascale that goes went from 0 - worst - up to 10 - perfect and where passing grade is/was represented by 6)
http://www.corriere....44f486ba6.shtml

14 year old girl makes two of her (female) friends beat her severely to be able to simulate an aggression and prevent her parents from talking to her teachers and discovering she had very bad grades
http://corrierefiore...sacarrara.shtml

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Posted 24 April 2008 - 06:55 PM

:lol:

Italy sounds like an even better place than Portugal to place your kids in school these days! :thumbup:

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Posted 24 April 2008 - 07:11 PM

:lol:

Italy sounds like an even better place than Portugal to place your kids in school these days! :thumbup:


Not if you have a 14 year old, stupid, and she has two stupid friends that actualy listen to her!
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Posted 27 April 2008 - 03:30 PM

ROTFL jaclaz.

Thank you for that. Again the point seems to follow... we are all failing our children, but we each have different ways of doing it.

Our system typically grades A-F (A high, F low) and an additional grade U (Ungraded) applicable only for work not haded in / exams unattended. Anything over C is a pass... So I guess the equivalent would be to not grade below D, and since D-F are only an indication of how badly you failed, the only looser there is the kids, because they no longer know how far they have to go to catch up.

Having said that... I don't know if you have an equivalent to what we call "Negotiated Assessment", but it sounds as if there is. The idea is that a teacher will go through with each of their pupils, where they are achieving or underachieving and negotiate with them a plan to improve the areas where they are failing most. The product of this negotiation is then sent to their parents... theoretically so the parents can help them achieve the goals they have set themselves with their teachers. Without those lower grades, it would be more difficult for a teacher to see, which areas are the most problematic for a particular pupil.

The idea of having winners and losers the way we do in real life is fine... but in real life we have plenty of choices as to which games we play. The Math genius is rarely also the Sports captain, and since school kids have almost no say in which subjects they take, is it really fair to be constantly critical of their failing subjects, when it's hard to spot the kid who's over achieving in other subjects?

Hard to spot, because you can't set work above the level at which the average child should be able to achieve... so the over achiever has simply done their homework before the end of class and has more time in the evening to play. Something the teacher does not see. Our government attempts to emphasis that teachers should praise as much, if not more than they criticise, but in practice we are all more likely to complain when something is wrong than we are to applaud when something is right.

If US TV is anything to go by, US bosses are more ready to praise their employees than we do here. Here, if the boss wants to see you then there is probably a problem. The time for praise of employees is the annual peer evaluation review in most organizations... but I know of very few employees who look forward to this, as again it's just an opportunity for the boss to winge at everyone how they are costing too much and doing too little work, and how their team is failing him etc.

This psychology is reinforced on the boss, because if he actually offered anyone any praise in peer evaluation, he would most likely be expected to offer them a raise, either in title or position.

However, maintaining employee self esteem is considered by industry. Hence the job titles "Domestic Sanitation Manager" for "Cleaners" and "Community Refuge Manager" is a "Trashman". (We actually call them Dustmen here, since they take out the rubbish from the "dustbin", I think everyone knows the smoky image of Victorian England. I still rename my "Recycle Bin" or "Trashcan" to "Rubbish" but as a school kid, it was "Dustbin" which looked good on GEM. I like the German "Papierkorb" too, makes sense and is shorter than "Waste Paper Basket", OS/2 "Shredder" only makes sense with a secure delete.)

Does anyone else get miffed that the "English" in the British version of Microsoft products is quite "U.S. English" regardless of where you set the local? What is Microsoft French? French French or Canadian French? Protuguise or Brazillian? Just a thought. If you install Mac OS as UK British it seems to feel much more "British" than modified US... to me at least.




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