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[wimb]

There is a small FREE Microsoft Download QFE833642
which is a Fix for Embedded and that includes minlogon in folder rep (use 7-zip to extract)

[Wonko the Sane]

There is a small FREE Microsoft Download which is a Fix for Embedded and that includes minlogon in folder rep (use 7-zip to extract)

Did you notice the sentence in BOLD on that "FREE" download page?:

YOU MAY NOT PROVIDE THIS UPDATE OR THE LOCATION (URL) OF THIS UPDATE TO ANY THIRD PARTIES.

That is the first (and second) Rule of the Fight Club :

Spoiler

Spoiler

Wonko

[wimb]

Did you notice the sentence in BOLD on that "FREE" download page?:

Wow, I did NOT notice this sentence, allthough the letters are not small and even BOLD
But It is rather Unexpected that it might occur on such site for a FREE Download.

[Wonko the Sane]

But It is rather Unexpected that it might occur on such site for a FREE Download.

Well, it is nice how the word "free" has so many meanings, though in this case it's mainly in the eye of the beholder.

I am sure that you feel like a "free" download is something that you can download without providing your MSN account/.net passport/login/pasword/secret handshake etc., but this is - with all due respect - a deviation from the real meaning.

I will make the usual carpenter's example.

I keep my hammers in a toolbox in the back of my pickup.
The toolbox is bolted to the pickup.
The toolbox is locked with TWO padlocks, one with a key and one with a combination lock.
The message people passing by my parked pickup get from this is: "You CANNOT have my hammers."

Now, if I left my hammers in plain sight in the back of my truck, most people will see a (non-existing) sign "FREE hammers, please take one."

Of course that is not the intended meaning of leaving a few hammers in the back of a truck, which meaning is simply "have them in the back of the truck so that authorized people have them more handy when needed, without having to open two padlocks first".



Wonko

[MedEvil]

Now, if I left my hammers in plain sight in the back of my truck, most people will see a (non-existing) sign "FREE hammers, please take one." ph34r:

Italy is really very different from Germany.
In Germany neon signs are used, that can only be seen at night.

[Wonko the Sane]

In Germany neon signs are used, that can only be seen at night.

Sure you are way ahead of us in terms of accessibility to the visually impaired .
But - out of curiosity - do those signs spell:

Frei Hämmern

oder:

Kostenlos Hämmern

Wonko

[MedEvil]

Hämmern would be a verb in German. Actually written 'hämmern'. Meaning: 'to use a hammer'

What you mean, would be 'Freie Hämmer' or 'Kostenlose Hämmer' and the second would be, what the sign reads, as we do not use the adjective 'frei(free)' in reference to no payment required.
'Freie Hämmer' would be Hämmer that are allowed to roam free. And we do not allow that anymore, just caused to much damage in the past.

A sign for free beer on the other hand, would read eighter 'Kostenlose Biere' if in bottles or 'Freibier' if from a beer tap.

[Wonko the Sane]

'Freie Hämmer' would be Hämmer that are allowed to roam free. And we do not allow that anymore, just caused to much damage in the past.

Yep

A sign for free beer on the other hand, would read eighter 'Kostenlose Biere' if in bottles or 'Freibier' if from a beer tap

I had hoped that German had a better distinction than English between "free as in freedom" and "free as in free beer", strangely enough Italian has it by using the Latin "gratis" (which is there in English also, but not used much):
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gratis
vs. "libero" (same Latin root of English "liberty" and of course "Libre":
http://en.wikipedia....is_versus_Libre


Wonko

[betrand]

Sense of "given without cost" is 1580s, from notion of "free of cost." (Online Etymology Dictionnary)

[betrand]

Gave it a thought.
The closest to the idea of something (an object) free is.. give. (geben). the noun being gift in English.
But the noun being Geschenk in German. Geschenk has a root meaning business (Gesch).
Which brings us back to an exchange. (of goods, etc). Even if gift has the idea of free, it is still related to business. There's nothing like a free meal.

Free, as in "given without cost", is really without condition, without attachment, nor terms.
I assume it can be used for a state (freedom, liberte), and an exchange.

Freebie (or giveaway,older), but still compound and new) is in a way Gratis.

[pscEx]

But the noun being Geschenk in German. Geschenk has a root meaning business (Gesch).

May I improve your German knowledge a bit.
The fact that words start with the same characters, does not mean that they have the same "root"

"Geschenk" has the root "schenken", means giving for free
"Geschäft" has the root "schaffen", means something like produce. "Geschäft" can mean "Business", but the same word is used for a "Store"

What about other "Root" ideas:

• "Geschirr", means "Dishes"
• "Geschlecht", means "Sex". BTW: "Geschlecht" contains the string "schlecht", means "Bad".
• "Geschichte", means "History"
• etc. etc.

Peter

[MedEvil]

'Gratis' is also known in the german language and is a synonym for 'kostenlos'.

@psc
Thanks for your post. After reading betrand post, i had such are urge to correct some of his ideas.
Luckily you already did it and very well too.

[Wonko the Sane]

@Medevil&pscEx
I know you were waiting for it...

Spoiler

KleineLieferwagenWerkzeugkoffereingesperrtHämmer

Wonko

[betrand]

I never use this abreviation, but I had to there!
I am pissing mself (abt taking prefix for what it wasn't)

May I improve your German knowledge a bit.

Yeah, always! you are very welcome and I am willing to learn (it)(some of it).

The fact that words start with the same characters, do not mean that they have the same "root"

"Geschenk" has the root "schenken", means giving for free
...

Yeah, forgot about the german prefixes apposed before anything!

i had such are urge to correct some of his ideas.

Same here, abt learning. Hehehe! Mmh, well at least I know what the word Forum means if I didn't know before!

'Gratis' is also known in the german language and is a synonym for 'kostenlos'.

Yeah, I guess there would be. Just me sort of trying to see where the two origins met, or
how there wouldn't be a word as specific as Gratis in Indo-European languages.
I guess 14th c. Europe just gave or took.

[betrand]

Douple post (because number of closing quotes differed.)


I might as well.

GRATIS.
From Wikipedia, without pasting. Act of kindness. Think of Spanish etc Gracias. The graces.

[betrand]

Triple post. Same reason.but:

Wonko, I guess an answer to your spoiler, would be, in short, Lol.

Free, (not Wiki-source): Priyah, Sanskrit for Friend, dear.

[pscEx]

KleineLieferwagenWerkzeugkoffereingesperrtHämmer[/spoiler]

Makes not much sence.
A real German compound word (some ucase letters to show the single words) is DonauDampfschiffFahrtsGesellschaftsKapitänsMützenBandFarbe"

Peter

[MedEvil]

Wonko, to create extra long words in the german language, you have to A.) use substantives exclusively and B.) the following word always needs to specify a subset of the former word.

The idea behind it is, to create a more precise word. If one uses a sentence like in other languages to describe the same, the hirarchy is not as clear.

DonauDampfschiffFahrtsGesellschaftsKapitänsMützenBandFarbe

The color(Farbe) of the band(Band) of the hat(Mütze) of the captain(Kapitän) of the DonauDampfschiffFahrtsGesellschaft.
DonauDampfschiffFahrtsGesellschaft might even be seperated further into: steam boat shipping company(DampfschiffFahrtsGesellschaft) of the Donau'. (If it is not a registered company name or trademark.)

[ericgl]

Guys,
Please stop the nonsense!! Concentrate on the topic.
Those who wish to use minlogon.exe, can download it directly from Microsoft, as Wimb mentioned. That's it - end of discussion.

[Wonko the Sane]

Those who wish to use minlogon.exe, can download it directly from Microsoft, as Wimb mentioned. That's it - end of discussion.

They can also get it from any number of other sites for that matter.
The raised point was only if this is what Microsoft allows and whether there is an infringement of license both when downloading it and when using it.

I find fun that someone - and expecially MS - publishes (same root of "public" ) something with the clause:

YOU MAY NOT PROVIDE THIS UPDATE OR THE LOCATION (URL) OF THIS UPDATE TO ANY THIRD PARTIES.

but it is a kind request that should have been respected, IMHO.

NICHT offenlegungspflichtigen Minlogon.exeDateiDownloadAdresseInformationen



Wonko

[betrand]

Hi, could someone post a .reg of post 69 (Cdob), it seems to wordwrap when I try.

Thanks

[pscEx]

Looks like a board fault. the codebox is not recognized.

 

Peter

[Wonko the Sane]

Looks like a board fault. the codebox is not recognized.
 
Peter

Sure, it's one of the nice gifts the demented IPB board developers (with the complicity of our resident programmer/Board Owner) delivered to us.
But it's not ONLY about the codebox, is that the CR+LF have been effectively turned into spaces. 
It is not really "rocket science" however to convert 'em back.
We know (or should know) the Windows Regedit format.
Identifying a SPACE with it's hex character of 20 and  doing the same for [ open bracket 5B, ] closing bracket 5D, " double quotes 22, and \ backslash 5C, and knowing that  that in the Dos/windows word an end of line is made of CR+LF, i.e. 0D0A we might be able to see how:
205B->0D0A5B 
5D20->5D0D0A
2220->220D0A
2022->0D0A22
5C20->5C0D0A

 
Actually applying these substitutions with a high tech tool such as Edxor is left as an exercise to the reader.
 
This might do:

 

 

Windows Registry Editor Version 5.00
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\USB_SYSTEM\ControlSet001\Control\CriticalDeviceDatabase\PCI#CC_0C0300]
"ClassGUID"="{36FC9E60-C465-11CF-8056-444553540000}"
"Service"="usbuhci"
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\USB_SYSTEM\ControlSet001\Control\CriticalDeviceDatabase\PCI#CC_0C0310]
"ClassGUID"="{36FC9E60-C465-11CF-8056-444553540000}"
"Service"="usbohci"
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\USB_SYSTEM\ControlSet001\Control\CriticalDeviceDatabase\PCI#CC_0C0320]
"ClassGUID"="{36FC9E60-C465-11CF-8056-444553540000}"
"Service"="usbehci"
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\USB_SYSTEM\ControlSet001\Control\CriticalDeviceDatabase\usb#class_08]
"ClassGUID"="{36FC9E60-C465-11CF-8056-444553540000}"
"Service"="USBSTOR"
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\USB_SYSTEM\ControlSet001\Control\CriticalDeviceDatabase\USB#CLASS_09]
"ClassGUID"="{36FC9E60-C465-11CF-8056-444553540000}"
"Service"="usbhub"
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\USB_SYSTEM\ControlSet001\Control\CriticalDeviceDatabase\USB#ROOT_HUB]
"ClassGUID"="{36FC9E60-C465-11CF-8056-444553540000}"
"Service"="usbhub"
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\USB_SYSTEM\ControlSet001\Control\CriticalDeviceDatabase\USB#ROOT_HUB20]
"ClassGUID"="{36FC9E60-C465-11CF-8056-444553540000}"
"Service"="usbhub"
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\USB_SYSTEM\ControlSet001\Services\usbhub]
"DisplayName"="Microsoft USB Standard Hub Driver"
"Group"="System Bus Extender"
"ImagePath"=hex(2):5c,00,53,00,79,00,73,00,74,00,65,00,6d,00,52,00,6f,00,6f,00,\
74,00,5c,00,73,00,79,00,73,00,74,00,65,00,6d,00,33,00,32,00,5c,00,64,00,72,\
00,69,00,76,00,65,00,72,00,73,00,5c,00,75,00,73,00,62,00,68,00,75,00,62,00,\
2e,00,73,00,79,00,73,00,00,00
"ErrorControl"=dword:00000001
"Start"=dword:00000000
"Type"=dword:00000001
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\USB_SYSTEM\ControlSet001\Services\usbohci]
"DisplayName"="Microsoft USB Open Host Controller Miniport Driver"
"Group"="Boot Bus Extender"
"ImagePath"=hex(2):5c,00,53,00,79,00,73,00,74,00,65,00,6d,00,52,00,6f,00,6f,00,\
74,00,5c,00,73,00,79,00,73,00,74,00,65,00,6d,00,33,00,32,00,5c,00,64,00,72,\
00,69,00,76,00,65,00,72,00,73,00,5c,00,75,00,73,00,62,00,6f,00,68,00,63,00,\
69,00,2e,00,73,00,79,00,73,00,00,00
"ErrorControl"=dword:00000001
"Start"=dword:00000000
"Type"=dword:00000001
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\USB_SYSTEM\ControlSet001\Services\usbuhci]
"DisplayName"="Microsoft USB Universal Host Controller Miniport Driver"
"Group"="Boot Bus Extender"
"ImagePath"=hex(2):5c,00,53,00,79,00,73,00,74,00,65,00,6d,00,52,00,6f,00,6f,00,\
74,00,5c,00,73,00,79,00,73,00,74,00,65,00,6d,00,33,00,32,00,5c,00,64,00,72,\
00,69,00,76,00,65,00,72,00,73,00,5c,00,75,00,73,00,62,00,75,00,68,00,63,00,\
69,00,2e,00,73,00,79,00,73,00,00,00
"ErrorControl"=dword:00000001
"Start"=dword:00000000
"Type"=dword:00000001
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\USB_SYSTEM\ControlSet001\Services\usbehci]
"DisplayName"="Microsoft USB 2.0 Enhanced Host Controller Miniport Driver"
"Group"="Boot Bus Extender"
"ImagePath"=hex(2):5c,00,53,00,79,00,73,00,74,00,65,00,6d,00,52,00,6f,00,6f,00,\
74,00,5c,00,73,00,79,00,73,00,74,00,65,00,6d,00,33,00,32,00,5c,00,64,00,72,\
00,69,00,76,00,65,00,72,00,73,00,5c,00,75,00,73,00,62,00,65,00,68,00,63,00,\
69,00,2e,00,73,00,79,00,73,00,00,00
"ErrorControl"=dword:00000001
"Start"=dword:00000000
"Type"=dword:00000001
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\USB_SYSTEM\ControlSet001\Services\usbstor]
"Start"=dword:00000000
"Group"="SCSI miniport"
"Type"=dword:00000001
"ErrorControl"=dword:00000001
"ImagePath"=hex(2):73,00,79,00,73,00,74,00,65,00,6d,00,33,00,32,00,5c,00,44,00,\
52,00,49,00,56,00,45,00,52,00,53,00,5c,00,55,00,53,00,42,00,53,00,54,00,4f,\
00,52,00,2e,00,53,00,59,00,53,00,00,00

Wonko

[Blackcrack]

humm, maybe as suggestion,

 

an installer for installing/extracting and sys'ing on a usb-stick for make a bootable /installed

usb-stick with XP

 

• + driver-folder by side for different Computers, chips,cards and nic's who be search on it and copy the files in the right folders for automatic use the right drivers on boot
• + or/and  an driverupdater for usbxp (an programm who checks specific folders/underfolders for different and associated files and copy it on the right folders in the XP )

best

Blacky

[betrand]

Hi,

Can s-o post a reg for imdisk?

Thank you