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#1 sokolofskid

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Posted 21 October 2007 - 02:22 AM

Me again...umm...I'm having trouble with my livedrive (PDA) and was wondering if someone can give me step by step instuctions on how to fix it. First of all I put a new microdrive in it and well I need to first install the palm os back on it. I know you could do it using linux os but can I do it using windows xp? Or can I just skip putting the palm os back on it and just install a kind of linux?


Also before I forget, I know there's windows live cd's and linux live cd's but is there mac live cd's?

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Posted 21 October 2007 - 07:28 AM

I do not wish to hear such blasphemy on this forum. :cheers:
Mac OS is dependent on very specific hardware depending on what model you're intending to use. Certainly an Enterprise level of Mac OS can be used as a live prototype but what's the point of running it on something so slow? :cheers:

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Posted 21 October 2007 - 07:43 AM

I do not wish to hear such blasphemy on this forum. :cheers:
Mac OS is dependent on very specific hardware depending on what model you're intending to use. Certainly an Enterprise level of Mac OS can be used as a live prototype but what's the point of running it on something so slow? :cheers:


I didn't mean having the mac on a pda (i think that's what you thought). I just mentioned that just to know before I forgot to say it at all. And to and to this topic...it doesn't have to be linux it could be something else...I just want my pda to work again.

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Posted 21 October 2007 - 08:50 AM

Just "adapt back" these steps:
http://howto.wikia.c..._Palm_LifeDrive
to Microdrive. :cheers:
dd for windows by John Newbigin is said to be working, as well as the dd that comes with Cygwin, most probably you can use as well dsfo/dsfi from the DSFOK package.

Once and only once you have the lifedrive back working normally, you can search for the various tutorials on how to install Linux on it and try them.

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Posted 22 October 2007 - 02:08 AM

I've been trying to reinstall palmos back onto my palm lifedrives harddrive. I know there are how to's out there but I don't understand them and I don't know how to use linux. I was wondering if someone can help me by doing the how to for me and sending me an image or some kind of file that I can just extract it to my lifedrive's harddrive. (I have the harddrive already taken out and in my card reader and it picks the harddrive up but I don't know what to put on the harddrive) It would be a great help to me if someone can make an image of the lifedrive's hardrive or soem kind of easy folder so I could just copy and paste it to the harddrive and have it work again. I guess mail me a link or something so I can get the file. Thankyou anyone, everyone.

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Posted 22 October 2007 - 09:52 AM

@sokolofskid

Remember that Google is your friend, do some basic searches before posting new threads, we are all friendly here :cheers:, you know that, but we are not a "Universal Problems Solving Service" of some kind.

Here is a forum which is specialized on these kind of devices:
http://1src.com/foru...splay.php?f=151

Getting help there is MUCH more probable.

Here is a thread that contains the info:
http://1src.com/foru...ad.php?t=111497

on page 17:
http://1src.com/foru...=111497&page=17
look at posts #245 and #246

Here:
http://www.palm.com/...ive_update.html

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P.S.: Merged the TWO threads you started on same topic into this one.

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Posted 22 October 2007 - 11:33 PM

@sokolofskid

Remember that Google is your friend, do some basic searches before posting new threads, we are all friendly here :cheers:, you know that, but we are not a "Universal Problems Solving Service" of some kind.


Thanks...but i've been using google to find everything and even simpler ways but....I don't know how to use linux....I am downloading slax /a linux live cd/ and hopefully i will be anle to use that....i hope it picks up my usb wifi card...or else i'm completely screwed. And I know this isn't a "Universal Problems Solving Service" but I think you guys know more then anyone else on other forums...everyone else talks in loops...at least here with winbuilder I get somewhere. I mean can't someone who knows how to use linux just make me an iso image or something so I could just copy it somehow to my microdrive...using windows. Is it that hard to do?

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Posted 23 October 2007 - 09:42 AM

I mean can't someone who knows how to use linux just make me an iso image or something so I could just copy it somehow to my microdrive...using windows. Is it that hard to do?


The whole point that you seem to completely miss, is that, as said, there is NO NEED to use linux, as there are Windows programs capable of doing the copy.

On the other hand, if you plan to later install linux on the lifedrive, by using it in the copy/recovery procedure might be a good idea, so that you learn something about it.

The full procedure to create the ROM file is here:
http://web.archive.o...ev.com/node/196
(cached as the original page has been lost in a server crash)
and here should be an updaated version:
http://trac.hackndev...nstallingPalmOS

Though the tutorial is for linux, there are equivalent apps for windows, I haven't checked, but the python script should work under windows, too, but it can also be done manually, with a bit of patience and a hex editor, and there is also a java program:
http://www.shadowmit.......p;sk=t&sd=a

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Posted 24 October 2007 - 01:59 AM

Hmm...downloaded everything but I don't know how to.....use cabextract and unsheild...there not apps like the other ones. How do I put them tegether?

On: http://trac.hackndev...nstallingPalmOS ...the farthest i've gotten to fixing my lifedrive is after exracting the data from the LifeDrive 2.0 Updater.exe. Then it says to exract the .cab files...but I can't seem to figure out how? Oh god it's hopeless....I'll never know what to do... :cheers:

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Posted 24 October 2007 - 08:50 AM

Try with 7zip to expand cabs. (instead of cabextract)
Try with Universal Extractor:
https://legroom.net/...ware/uniextract
(instead of unshield)

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Posted 29 October 2007 - 02:04 AM

Ok on http://www.1src.com/...ad.php?t=119585 the part where it says step 5 Now open up python. Navigate to the directory containing these zip files. Run the script unpdb.py for each file. ie. "unpdb brahma-palmos.zip.a.pdb a.zip". I don't know what they mean I was able to do everything else up untill that part...all I have to do is extract brahma-palmos.zip.a-j.pdb and then put them into one file and I'll be good. I've put a post up on 1src but many of the people on there haven't been on for months! The only reason why I posted this is cause the people on here are pretty much active everyday and are a big help to me...so if anyone could help me understand how to get my lifedrive to work again (for free) then I will never bother anyone again....except for ideas with winbuilder and when I make my own scripts i guess. Thank you.

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Posted 29 October 2007 - 09:38 AM

You need to install Python, of course, if you are going to use the python scripts:
http://www.python.or...wnload/windows/
http://www.python.or...releases/2.5.1/

Or you can try using the alternate java program I linked before.

But since the number of files involved is rather small, you can also do everything manually.

The files are made by "splitting" a large .zip file in several chunks, that you must re-assemble.

The utility used to split the files adds a "header" to each chunk, (said to contain the "tag" "HACKSPLIT"), 32 bytes long.

You can use dsfo (part of the DSFOK package):
http://members.ozema...eezip/freeware/
to do it.

Get the DSFOK package, and put in the same directory dsfo and the brahma-palmos.zip.x.pdb, then run, for EACH file:
dsfo brahma-palmos.zip.x.pdb 32 0 brahma-palmos.zip.x

(you can do the same with any hex editor)

Now join the first two files:
copy /b brahma-palmos.zip.a+brahma-palmos.zip.b brahma-palmos.zip

continue with EACH subsequent file:
copy /b brahma-palmos.zip+brahma-palmos.zip.c brahma-palmos.zip
....
copy /b brahma-palmos.zip+brahma-palmos.zip.j brahma-palmos.zip

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Posted 29 October 2007 - 11:17 PM

Thanks again...when I have time i'll try it out and if I can't figure it out.....well then....I mise as well give up. Also that java link is unavailable now.

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Posted 30 October 2007 - 09:45 AM

.... giving up is not an option :cheers:, it's an act of (mild :cheers:) cowardice!

Stand up, and fight with bravery against the odds (and against the arrogance of a number of programmers at Palm or wherever that made things unneededly complicated).

This is the whole point about proprietary formats and undocumented procedures, these people are actually STEALING knowledge from you, and from us all, you must get back what they are trying to subtract from you.

You are, say, 90% into the procedure, only a few steps separate you from success!

:cheers:

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Posted 30 October 2007 - 10:36 AM

Not even family treats me that good.....ok......well...I downloaded dsfok and extracted it and in the file called GUI there are 4 apps: dsbind.exe is the one i think i have to use....anyway it tells you to take the first one then the other so i took brama.....A and brahma.......B and merged them so i'm sure like you said before is to then take brahma A and then merge with brahma C, then A with D, A with E, and so on till J.....right?

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Posted 30 October 2007 - 11:44 AM

Well, after the leading bytes have been stripped, you simply join each subsequent file, as said:

Now join the first two files:
copy /b brahma-palmos.zip.a+brahma-palmos.zip.b brahma-palmos.zip

continue with EACH subsequent file:
copy /b brahma-palmos.zip+brahma-palmos.zip.c brahma-palmos.zip
....
copy /b brahma-palmos.zip+brahma-palmos.zip.j brahma-palmos.zip

in other words you join a with b to create first file (without letter) and then add to the end of it the next file.

All the suggested steps are intended from a Console Window, (no GUI involved), if you are not familiar with command line, you may have another try with the python scripts, once you have installed python they need only to be run.

However, I missed a step, my bad :cheers:, you need to "unpdb" the files, and that can only be made by a script, moreover in this thread:
http://www.1src.com/...?...9585&page=6
markmecard reports that at least the second python scripts needs to be run from within a cygwin

So, let's start again from the beginning:
1) you need to install Cygwin, as per post by markmecard
http://www.cygwin.co.../setup-net.html
2) you need to install Python
3) then you need to learn your way around them

Maybe it is overly difficult for your current knowledge.:cheers:

If you speak (or can at least, like I do, understand) a bit of French, I have found this visual step by step guide :
http://alastor.famil...Update-2.0.html
involving the use of a Live Linux CD.
However using online translation service like systran makes it understandable in English too.

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Posted 31 October 2007 - 12:09 AM

https://hackndev.svn.../tools/unpdb.py
https://hackndev.svn...ols/makecafe.py

I hope I did that right anyway these are the 2 scripts i'm going to need right? Or at least the first one.

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Posted 31 October 2007 - 12:56 AM

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!! My pc!!! It died!!! :cheers:




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