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#26 Squid

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Posted 16 June 2007 - 09:48 PM

@bearwindows:

Here's the poop from BIOS:

AGP Aperture: 32mB
Onboard Video Buffer: 1mB

After a quick go 'round with the universal driver again, the system would not take any setting beyond 640 X 480 @ 4 bits.

Dunno what to say here, other than it's a reasonably new crappy Dell with all of the usual quick-and-dirty tricks which they build into them...

:1st:

Any ideas???

QUICK EDIT:

The standard 82865G Graphics Controller shows that it's running on a full 92mB of video memory. Apparently the universal driver can't access most of this (?)

I've uploaded a shot of the display applet to tell the tale --

VidDrvr1.jpg

Thanx.

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Posted 17 June 2007 - 03:19 AM

Squid
Plz give me a log from INFOVBE.EXE tool
Get it here: http://bearwindows.boot-land.net/vbemp.htm
This tool dumps mode tabes and other very useful info from your videocard.
This helps me find an answer.

#28 Squid

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Posted 17 June 2007 - 07:30 PM

@bearwindows:

Will do.

Need to get to my other machine for the test: We'll send the output to you before the end of the day (Western US).

Should be interesting, no?

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BEARWINDOWS @Squid : YES!

#29 Squid

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Posted 17 June 2007 - 08:03 PM

@bearwindows:

Done.

Should've hit your inbox by now . . .

BTW -- I've found this tool:

http://www.monkeyjob.com/BMSTDOS.htm

to be most helpful when running DOS stuff like INFOVBE.EXE.

Just a little thing; but it makes life that much smoother . . .

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Thanks again!

#30 Squid

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Posted 17 June 2007 - 10:44 PM

I just tottered into this:

http://support.intel...b/CS-009172.htm

Don't know if it's news to anyone, but it might shed some light on the issue.

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#31 Squid

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Posted 17 June 2007 - 11:17 PM

@bearwindows:

This may be GOLD for you:

http://www.chzsoft.c...r/855patch.html

The X-Windows crowd seems to have fixed this ... it may be possible to integrate some of the sourcecode into your universal driver package (???)

bearwindows @Squid:
I'll try to incorporate this fix. As far as I understand how it works and how to implement
it. But - it is a major BIOS bug - not BUG of VBEMP - so update your pc's BIOS TO LATEST ONE!!! and enjoy :) :) :)


#32 Squid

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Posted 18 June 2007 - 07:24 PM

@bearwindows:

Yes, like most other things with these Wintel computers, we spend more time working around bugs than we do building good, clean code for the programs which we make.

For the record, I bought my system new just a few months ago, and this problem with the Intel BIOS was still there -- Intel isn't going to change this characteristic with this line of chips anytime soon.

THEY'RE STILL MAKING THEM THIS WAY. :1st:

And, to make things worse, it seems as though the BIOS updates don't work to solve this problem most of the time; which is why the Linux/X-Windows folks simply built workarounds for the video drivers that they use to accomodate these chips.

So, until we have a code patch for your universal driver, there will be hundreds of thousands (millions?) of new and older computers with this chipset which never will be able to effectively use VBEMP, or WinBuilder for that matter.

:thumbup:

A pretty serious situation, if you ask me . . .


Great talking with you, and good luck in your work putting this together! :thumbup:

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Posted 25 June 2007 - 05:25 AM

The current (nativepe) scripts use the universal NT 5.1 / 5.2 video driver, and it worked well in tests on real (old) hardware. :1st: :thumbup:
This is really something I was happy to include in my builds!!

http://www.boot-land...amp;#entry10390

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Posted 25 June 2007 - 06:30 AM

@All

For the record, I bought my system new just a few months ago, and this problem with the Intel BIOS was still there -- Intel isn't going to change this characteristic with this line of chips anytime soon.

BTW, your motherboard is a product of Intel: http://www.intel.com...board/index.htm or it has an Intel's chipset ??? It is a different situation, if you understand me.
If your motherboard not maked by Intel, Intel does not respond for BIOS problems.

For me, I like Intel's (all included - with onboard sound,video,network,usb) motherboards: them are sometimes slow, but very stable and do not support any kind of overclocking. I have it on my work and at home also :1st:

#35 Squid

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Posted 26 June 2007 - 03:29 AM

@bearwindows:

Thanks for the info.

@thunn:

Would this driver work to overcome the Intel chipset bottleneck which we've encountered in this post?

If so, do you have a script available for this driver which I can grab and put into my build of LiveXP???

:1st:


Thanks!

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Posted 26 June 2007 - 03:35 PM

@bearwindows:

Thanks for the info.

@thunn:

Would this driver work to overcome the Intel chipset bottleneck which we've encountered in this post?

If so, do you have a script available for this driver which I can grab and put into my build of LiveXP???

:1st:


Thanks!

@Squid!

Please have a look here.

Try a fresh nativeEx_barebone download and build a CD. Maybe your issue also depended on my PNP troubles.

Peter

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Posted 27 June 2007 - 03:30 AM

:1st:

(server burp)

#38 Squid

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Posted 27 June 2007 - 03:34 AM

@psc:

Thanks Peter!

I'll work on this tomorrow; and share my results with the community :1st:




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