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#1 dani4925

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Posted 05 June 2007 - 09:28 AM

Hello,

I'm new here and I need some help.
I have an PC winth WIN XP Pro, and an laptop (Gericom). My PC funcion ok but my laptop it only see my hdd (where is nothing). I want to install on my laptop Win XP but I don't know how... I read on this forum a lot of pages about pxe boot but I don't understand nothing... please help me... or indicate an tutorial or "step by step"

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Posted 05 June 2007 - 10:39 AM

Possible ways to install XP in order of INCREASING difficulty

1) If the laptop has a CD drive, install from CD.
2) If the laptop has a USB port, install from an attached USB CD drive
3) Take the drive out of the laptop, use an adapter and copy install files on it
4) If the laptop has a USB port install from USB Flash Drive or HD
5) If the laptop has PXE boot capabilities, PXE boot DOS and copy install files to HD
6) If the laptop has PXE boot capabilities, PXE boot a PE of some kind and copy install files to HD
7) If the laptop has PXE boot capabilities, PXE boot a RIS installation

PXE boot means that the onboard nework card has a ROM where a very minimal set of instructions are stored, just enough to be able to connect to a server and download "on the fly" a bootdisk image.

Not all network cards have this ROM memory, ad setting up a PXE and RIS (Remote Installation Service) is not the most straightforward chore in the world.

Please do post some more details on your laptop and it's features, we may come up with a simpler approach.

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Posted 05 June 2007 - 11:13 AM

the laptop have usb port, and I have un usb stick, but in bios is not present the usb boot option...

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Posted 05 June 2007 - 04:15 PM

Hmmm, usually if there is no provision to boot from USB there is not even a provision to PXE boot (sometimes called "Network Boot" or "Lan boot", so I guess we are back to square one.

Usually these kind of latops have a floppy nonetheless, does yours?

If not, and if you cannot find a suitable CD drive to attach to the machine (some laptops have a "proorietary" IDE port to attach an external device), I guess only solution will be #3) in previous list, otherwise, with a floppy drive, one can try making a USB enabled DOS floppy to be able to copy files from USB stick or drive to internal HD.

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Posted 06 June 2007 - 12:06 PM

my laptop dose not have flopy...
about the usb, in the boot menu from bios it is not apear, only, CD, HDD, Flopy & LAN (pxe)... I well try tu boot with usb stick coneccted to see if something heapend...

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Posted 06 June 2007 - 01:09 PM

OK, so PXE appears to be the only way.

You need to setup a PXE server, prepare on it the install files, than boot through PXE to it.

I had some success in the past following this method:
http://winner.windowsdream.com/

Go to the howto:
http://winner.window...nner/howto.html

Read it thoroughfully, see if everything makes sense, if not post here your perplexities, we'll see if we can answer to them.

As said, this is a little more complex that just setting a PXE server, refer to second part of this page:
http://winner.window...er/doc/pxe.html
and to this page:
http://home.allegiance.tv/~joem298/
and "serve" through memdisk a "network enabled" DOS bootdisk image, such as the very good one here:
http://www.netbootdisk.com/

Then copy to the laptop HD (on a partition formatted as FAT16 or FAT32) the contents of the \I386 directory of a (SP2 slipstreamed) XP install CD.

Then you run WINNT.EXE and you have a "normal" DOS based install.

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Posted 07 June 2007 - 06:13 AM

thank you vety much... I begen to read and it seams to be very explicit... I well try and I well come back with the result... thank you again

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Posted 07 June 2007 - 03:20 PM

take a look here
http://oss.netfarm.it/guides/
it's a windows RIS replacement using OSS software
boot server can be linux windows and other os-es

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Posted 08 June 2007 - 06:18 AM

thank you jaclaz... the "how to" is excellent and I finally successfully deploy win xp on my laptop from LAN

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Posted 08 June 2007 - 06:59 AM

Happy that everything went well.:1st:

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Posted 11 June 2007 - 05:03 PM

Still BIG problem...

my problem did not actualy resolve...
when I sed its OK I'm not actualy install windows xp on my laptop I just manage to boot my laptop from hdd and it begen the blue screan of installation for windows xp and at a moment it apear press R for recovery, ENTER for install and F3 for quit... at that moment I pres F3 (for quit) because I did not heave time for that, and I sed to myself I will do it on mondey (today) and... after I was pres ENTER for installation it ask me for the WinXP CD, wich I can not suply, because I do not have an CD drive...
what shoul I do... ?
please help me...

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Posted 11 June 2007 - 06:46 PM

Sorry, but if you don't give an EXACT step by step report of what you did BEFORE getting the laptop to boot "from HD", it is rather difficult to help you.

Are you using the "winner" method or another one?

Did you succeed in setting up the PXE server and actually booting from network?

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Posted 11 June 2007 - 07:42 PM

I was manage to do exacly wat it said in the "step by step winner" first boot from lan (pxe) I was introduce the IP's licke in the "step by step", at an moment it ask for the size of the C: partition, a give 20 G (20000 mo), and I selec "yes" to copy the I386 folder to hdd, and aftel a loat of copyng (drivers and other programs and files) it sed that has to reboot in 20 sec. then I was boot from hdd and then the problem I was describe above...

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Posted 11 June 2007 - 08:30 PM

problem step by step
1. creating the SYSAngel DVD iso on 192.168.2.2 PC on C:\OUTPUT (licke in the winner tutorial)
2. starting tftpd32 on 192.168.2.2 with the setings from winner
3. start the laptop and boot PXE LAN (and now on working on laptop)
4. the laptop obtain 192.168.2.110 IP address
5. loading files.......
6. choosing GRAPHICAL MODE
7. selecting INSTALL WINDOWS
8. selecting NO (Should we first try to connect automatically with popular settings?)
9. introducing 192.168.2.110 (we first need to know your IP)
10. net mask: 255.255.255.0
11. gateway: 192.168.2.1 (router address)
12. DNS1: 193.230.240.16
13. DNS2: 193.230.240.22
14. selecting NO (we need to connect to a network or internet share...)
15. choosing smb:
16. introducing 192.168.2.2 (IP of the RELEASE server
17. introducing OUTPUT (name of the share...)
18. introducing "tudor" valid user (administrator rights)
19. introducing "copil" password for "tudor" user
20. introducing "/" (full path to RELEASE)
21. Future Name of your workstation: Gericom
22. Name: Vasile
23. Organization: Home
24. Choosing language: English
25. Choosing language: English (again)
26. Choosing YES (will we prepare a local c:\i386)
27. Choosing Nothing (which version of office...)
28. Choosing NO (will we install ms dotnet...)
29. Choosing NO (save all possible data...)
30. introducing 20000 (size of the future C:\ ... the hdd is 60 G)
31. Choosing NO (dose your C: drive presently boot correctly...)
32. Click OK (All questions have been replied)
33. partitioning, formating and copying files for 14 min.
34. Bottom message will reboot within 20 sec.
35. boot from hdd
36. blue screan "Windosw Setup"
37. ENTER (to set up windows XP; other chooses R-recovery console and F3-quit)
38. INSER THE CD LABELED "WIN XP SP2 INTO CD-ROM... PRESS ENTER WHEN READY...

please help me...

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Posted 12 June 2007 - 10:55 AM

Ok,
so the actual pxe procedure (which is the most difficult part) went OK.

The problem appears to lie into the image that has been deployed, possibilities:
1) The "XP files" are corrupted or some needed file is missing
2) Your laptop needs some really basic driver that is missing
3) Something else, like a "peculiar" OEM XP disk

Given that the main problem is to get that PC to somehow have XP installed, rather than troubleshooting the error, that may possibly be a lengthier process, I reckon using the "other" way could be faster.

Get a network boot disk, see the links I posted previously, and check if the laptop boots OK to it via PXE, accessing properly, once booted, the shared directory on the server.
Is the partition you made FAT32 or NTFS?
If the latter you will need to re-format it as FAT32 or (your choice, but this is actually how I setup all my systems: make just a small FAT16 partition slightly smaller than 1 Gb) and copy to it from the server the entire \I386 directory.
Then you change directory to c:\i386 and run WINNT.EXE.

If still an error comes out like the one you have, you will need to rebuild a \I386 directory, possibly starting from scratch, a good idea would be having a "vanilla" FULL XP, not slipstreamed to any service pack, with no windows update either, you will have time enough later once it has booted properly in XP to do the updating. (there are reported issues with SP2, and expecially with later updates, SP1 should be OK and a little more "tollerant" during install).

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Posted 12 June 2007 - 11:54 AM

I will try to deploy an image of an Win XP SP1 to see what is heapend ...

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Posted 13 June 2007 - 08:52 PM

I'm trying to make the "OUTPUT" directory with win xp sp1 and at an moment is downloading the SP2 and applying it and it give this error: "Could not find a part of the path "C:\OUTPUT\tmp\i386".

details:

See the end of this message for details on invoking
just-in-time (JIT) debugging instead of this dialog box.

************** Exception Text **************
System.IO.DirectoryNotFoundException: Could not find a part of the path "C:\OUTPUT\tmp\i386".
at System.IO.__Error.WinIOError(Int32 errorCode, String str)
at System.IO.Directory.InternalGetFileDirectoryNames(String fullPath, String userPath, Boolean file)
at System.IO.DirectoryInfo.GetDirectories(String searchPattern)
at Projet.Form1.c(Object , EventArgs )
at Projet.Form1.K(Object , EventArgs )
at System.Windows.Forms.Control.OnClick(EventArgs e)
at System.Windows.Forms.Button.OnClick(EventArgs e)
at System.Windows.Forms.Button.OnMouseUp(MouseEventArgs mevent)
at System.Windows.Forms.Control.WmMouseUp(Message& m, MouseButtons button, Int32 clicks)
at System.Windows.Forms.Control.WndProc(Message& m)
at System.Windows.Forms.ButtonBase.WndProc(Message& m)
at System.Windows.Forms.Button.WndProc(Message& m)
at System.Windows.Forms.ControlNativeWindow.OnMessage(Message& m)
at System.Windows.Forms.ControlNativeWindow.WndProc(Message& m)
at System.Windows.Forms.NativeWindow.Callback(IntPtr hWnd, Int32 msg, IntPtr wparam, IntPtr lparam)


************** Loaded Assemblies **************
mscorlib
Assembly Version: 1.0.5000.0
Win32 Version: 1.1.4322.2032
CodeBase: file:///c:/windows/microsoft.net/framework/v1.1.4322/mscorlib.dll
----------------------------------------
DVD_Generator
Assembly Version: 0.0.0.0
Win32 Version: 0.0.0.0
CodeBase: file:///C:/Program%20Files/DVD_Generator/DVD_Generator.exe
----------------------------------------
System.Windows.Forms
Assembly Version: 1.0.5000.0
Win32 Version: 1.1.4322.2032
CodeBase: file:///c:/windows/assembly/gac/system.windows.forms/1.0.5000.0__b77a5c561934e089/system.windows.forms.dll
----------------------------------------
System
Assembly Version: 1.0.5000.0
Win32 Version: 1.1.4322.2032
CodeBase: file:///c:/windows/assembly/gac/system/1.0.5000.0__b77a5c561934e089/system.dll
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System.Drawing
Assembly Version: 1.0.5000.0
Win32 Version: 1.1.4322.2032
CodeBase: file:///c:/windows/assembly/gac/system.drawing/1.0.5000.0__b03f5f7f11d50a3a/system.drawing.dll
----------------------------------------
WD_CommonLib
Assembly Version: 0.0.0.0
Win32 Version: 0.0.0.0
CodeBase: file:///C:/Program%20Files/DVD_Generator/WD_CommonLib.DLL
----------------------------------------
System.Xml
Assembly Version: 1.0.5000.0
Win32 Version: 1.1.4322.2032
CodeBase: file:///c:/windows/assembly/gac/system.xml/1.0.5000.0__b77a5c561934e089/system.xml.dll
----------------------------------------

************** JIT Debugging **************
To enable just in time (JIT) debugging, the config file for this
application or machine (machine.config) must have the
jitDebugging value set in the system.windows.forms section.
The application must also be compiled with debugging
enabled.

For example:

<configuration>
<system.windows.forms jitDebugging="true" />
</configuration>

When JIT debugging is enabled, any unhandled exception
will be sent to the JIT debugger registered on the machine
rather than being handled by this dialog.






I click on continue, but nothing heapend... the SysAngel seams to do nothing...

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Posted 13 June 2007 - 11:02 PM

I was copy the directory that appear in the error message and I finally manage to do the iso with win xp sp1, but I have the same problem like the iso with xp sp2

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Posted 14 June 2007 - 08:37 AM

exist other "architectures" that works similar like WINNER ?

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Posted 14 June 2007 - 06:55 PM

Maybe something is not right in your image with reference to tag files.

Read this:
http://www.msfn.org/...topic=99385&hl=

and this old one:
http://www.911cd.net...showtopic=16381

If no SP2 (or SP1) tag file is found, the error is the same :
INSERT THE CD LABELED "WIN XP SPx INTO CD-ROM....

Double check also textsetup.sif.

It should be easy to add the tag files in to \i386 and changing txtsetup.sif entries accordingly, if iI remember correctly if you use the winnt.exe way, tag files should not be needed.

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Posted 15 June 2007 - 01:08 PM

I'm not sure what I should do... please be more explicit...

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Posted 16 June 2007 - 06:52 AM

You should make sure that in the .iso image that is created through "WINNER", there are, in the root of it the tagfiles that accompany XP CD's, and also check that those same files are referenced in that position inside TXTSETUP.SIF.

In other words, I suspect that somehow the source is not correctly built, you could try burning the ISO and try using it to install on another computer.

Cannot say if this can be the problem, all I can say is that this problem generates the same error you had, requesting the Windows XP CD.... :1st:

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Posted 18 June 2007 - 07:20 AM

everything seams to be in order in TXTSETUP.SIF

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Posted 18 June 2007 - 10:24 AM

I am short of new ideas,
As said you can try with the network bootdisk+WINNT.EXE method, a seemingly unrelated post with details is here:
http://www.911cd.net...showtopic=16713

Also, can you confirm that the .iso DOES WORK on another PC?

Can you try using Sysangel:
http://dvdgen.windowsdream.com/

to create a .ISO?

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Posted 19 June 2007 - 07:40 AM

I was finally manage to resolve my problem. I have used Bart's Network Boot Disk in combination with WinImage and my laptop boot that network disk an he can map a shared folder from where I was copy the install folder (i386) and from there on, everything was simple...




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