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Which USB 3.0 stick to boot from? Are there blacklisted USB sticks that don't boot properly?


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#1 hemlatuyda

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Posted 11 September 2017 - 04:46 PM

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Asking which 3.0 stick to get, 32-128GB size so probably 64 preferred. There's plenty on market but it seems not all are good for booting. I want probably MLC NAND or maybe 3D one(does it even exist in flash stick market?) with some nice controller that does not overheat USB stick. What should I look at when choosing my model, I've heard that for booting it's 4k read/writes that are most important, is that true? Some sticks can be 300MB/s for 1GB readts but their 4k writes are like 0.005MB/s, while others are 100MB/s for 1GB and 1MB/s when writing 4k. Any clues?



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Posted 12 September 2017 - 01:12 PM

If you want to run an OS (like a WindowsToGo installation or a linux installation) from the USB drive, then random write 4K I/O is important.

A good test is to extract all 1000+ files from an XP ISO directly onto the USB drive. With some drives this can take over 1 hour, with others a few minutes!

I recommend the SanDisk Extreme 3.0 range (not the Go version).

https://rmprepusb.bl...-usb-flash.html

 



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Posted 12 September 2017 - 01:13 PM

Double post (forum not working properly yet!)


Edited by steve6375, 13 September 2017 - 11:21 AM.


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Posted 12 September 2017 - 02:43 PM

I know Sandisk Extreme Pro is best thing out there but the price is so high, I could get older portable SSD for less. Would booting from SD card with SD->USB adapter be option, or should I expect compatibility issues? I know many flash sticks are made in such way, there's lot of issues when trying to use them as boot devices and afraid of such SD->USB scenario. Also some of cards/sticks can overheat and malfunction and I want to avoid this. I was wondering on some sticks like HyperX Savage, that is half of Sandisk Pro price here but those 4k speed are simply horrible, here's some Amazon reviewer testing fastest 256GB one, left picture:

 

https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/61iCyc06lOL._SL256_.jpg


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Posted 12 September 2017 - 06:27 PM

To boot decently, you'll need at least 1MiB/s 4k Random Write, and any pendrive or SDHC card able to do that is expensive.
Your best bet is to find an out-of-the market one in good condition. I just bought a 32kB Super*Talent USB 3.0 RAIDDrive (not the 3.1, now available) for US$41... were I in the US that'd be about US$ 20 (because prices for imported things in Brazil are always about x2, due to importation tax)... now, when that same pendrive was available on the market, it went for US$ 255 in the US so, by buying it used, I got it for about 10% of the original price. Then again, it might have been damaged, so I took the risk. And, in what regards getting hot, it won't bur your hand, but just barely.



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Posted 12 September 2017 - 06:28 PM

Sorry! Double-post, please do delete.



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Posted 12 September 2017 - 09:16 PM

I know Sandisk Extreme Pro is best thing out there but the price is so high, I could get older portable SSD for less.

I don't know the local prices for you, including shipping.
Do you count the disk price or the price per GB size?
Compare the price and 4K speed for the old Sandisk SDCZ80. A 64 GB SDCZ80 may be a acceptable 4K speed at lower price.
Yes, there are older faster (USB connected) SSD disks.
And consider fixed disk bit to a removable disk bit.

Times guessed (classic USB stick and a USB ssd)
Booting Winows to go at another hardware:
4K 0.005MB/s : wait about one hour
4K 10MB/s : wait about one minute

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Posted 13 September 2017 - 04:15 PM

Another problem with those Flash Sticks is that some of them have tiny cache that is used when benchmarks are done. This causes some slow drives to report 100MB/s++ speeds but in reality it's ten times slower.






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