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#1 PSPlover

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Posted 29 December 2016 - 12:29 PM

Hello Guys

 

I bought a cheap pendrive from amazon with the intention to flash the firmware new and make it a so called "fixed-disk", so that multiple partitions are possible.

The pendrive is an "Intenso Rainbow Line 16GB", Link on amazon : https://www.amazon.de/dp/B001G4QKCG

 

Unfortunelately they did something to the controller chip because chipgenius is giving me this report : 

 

 

Description: [E:]USB-Massenspeichergerät(Intenso Rainbow Line)

Device Type:        Mass Storage Device
 
Protocal Version: USB 2.00
Current Speed: High Speed
Max Current: 200mA
 
USB Device ID: VID = 058F PID = 6387
Serial Number: 7F9872F0
 
Device Vendor: 6989
Device Name: Intenso Rainbow Line
Device Revision: 0100
 
Manufacturer: Intenso
Product Model: Rainbow Line
Product Revision: 8.07
 
Controller Vendor: Alcor Micro
Controller Part-Number: Unknown [F500] - F/W FA00
Flash ID code:      8984643C - Intel PF29F16B08LCMFS - 1CE/Single Channel [MLC-16K] -> Total Capacity = 16GB
 
 

As you can see, the controller chip is "unknown". So I opened the drive and I found the following chip name : IDE 5019SN-GTC

 

I downloaded the AlcorMP tool but none of this tools recognise my chipset. 

Can someone please help me?


Edited by PSPlover, 29 December 2016 - 01:09 PM.


#2 Wonko the Sane

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Posted 29 December 2016 - 06:58 PM

It is possible that it was cheap because it was a fake (actually a double fake :w00t:, it seems like also some controllers are faked :ph34r:), compare with:
http://flash-extract...opic.php?t=7122

 

On the other hand, we have at least one report of someone with such a chip that was identified as a "definite" Alcor chip by ChipGenius (but the stick had another vid/pid from the Alcor 058F/6387), possibly an error in the ChipGenius database or detection system:
http://reboot.pro/to...-tool/?p=190929

 

BUT there are traces that these may be actually "strange" Alcors for which specific MPTool is needed, see:
https://translate.go...or5019nl-o0323/

 

More or less we are at square #1, you have to try several versions of the AlcorMP_UFD and see yourself which (if) works:

https://translate.go...lcor/alcormpmd/

 

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#3 PSPlover

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Posted 02 January 2017 - 12:52 PM

It is possible that it was cheap because it was a fake (actually a double fake :w00t:, it seems like also some controllers are faked :ph34r:)

Well shit, I didn't thought about that. I bought three of this drives because I have an older version of the 4GB with a normal Alcor Chipset.

But I sent them back and I got a refund because I reported them as fakes. They even had a different circuit board than on the pictures and the original from 2013....... <_<

 

Anyway, do you know some brands which use non-fake chipsets?


Edited by PSPlover, 02 January 2017 - 01:05 PM.


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Posted 02 January 2017 - 01:28 PM

Well fuck, I didn't thought about that. I bought three of this drives because I have an older version of the 4GB with a normal Alcor Chipset.

But I sent them back and I got a refund because I reported them as fakes. They even had a different circuit board than on the pictures and the original from 2013.......

 

Anyway, do you know some brands which use non-fake chipsets?

The issue is not about brands, it is about suppliers AND sources.

 

There are basically three kinds of "legit" firms:

1) Those like Sandisk (and I believe ONLY Sandisk) that develop their own controller AND board

2) Those like (say) PNY or Kingston that use controllers on the market but develop their own boards

3) All the others that take controllers AND boards existing on the market and just re-brand them.

 

All three of them are good BUT all three of them  are subject to having their products replicated with either inferior specs (like "fake" capacity) or inferior components (like defective controllers re-branded).

 

Bulk or no-name ones can be *anything*.

 

I once got a bulk lot (I seem to remember 200) no-name 4 Gb sticks as a "gift" (I bought some services and in the price were included some "promotional" items, like pens or keyrings or USB sticks), they were d@mn slow (a few I tested) but anyway I analyzed them, found the "right" MP Tool and managed to make a few with a dual LUN (first LUN CD-like) for a small project I was putting together (they were used as media for a house made router so they were connected and "on" 24/7, so obviously they had a limited lifespan).

After the first few were burned out, I went to make a few more and found out how the one(s) I had in my hands had a different controller. :w00t:

 

This same thing has been reported in the past about sticks bought in large stores (like Walmart or similar), you know those offers three sticks for 9.99 or similar, in a large basket near the cash counter, out of the three two had one controller and the third a different one.

 

 So anyone in China/Shenzhen can buy for a few pennies each a number of sticks then EITHER:

1) Make his/her own brand, and sell them for what they are (el-cheapo no names)

2) Make an enclosure and packaging similar to that of a known brand and sell them as such 

 

So, when you buy a stick you never know if what you are getting is:

1) original

2) containing this or that chipset

unless you buy the sticks directly form the manufacturer website (usually at a much higher than "street price") when this is possible or you procure them from a reliable shop (that will accept returned items).

 

These shops are often innocent themselves, in the sense that they think they are buying from a reliable wholesaler which instead supplies fakes, and possibly even the wholesaler is tricked into this.

 

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#5 PSPlover

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Posted 02 January 2017 - 02:35 PM

The issue is not about brands, it is about suppliers AND sources.

 

There are basically three kinds of "legit" firms:

1) Those like Sandisk (and I believe ONLY Sandisk) that develop their own controller AND board

2) Those like (say) PNY or Kingston that use controllers on the market but develop their own boards

3) All the others that take controllers AND boards existing on the market and just re-brand them.

 

All three of them are good BUT all three of them  are subject to having their products replicated with either inferior specs (like "fake" capacity) or inferior components (like defective controllers re-branded).

 

Sorry, I meant brands that use reflashable controllers like SMI & Alcor chipsets. As far as I know Sandisk uses their own controller type that makes it impossible to convert them to "fixed-disk" mode or to rename the manufacturer.

 

I have tested Transcend drives and they use almost every time high quality chips (even USB 3.0 chips are flashable SMI chips), but they are quiet expensive. I have tested the Jetflash 780 with 16GB and they built in a SM3267AB chip, but it costs around 15€ per drive.....

That's the reason why I'm looking for cheap flash drives which can be flashed as "fixed disk", renamed...etc, you know what I mean  :ph34r: 



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Posted 02 January 2017 - 04:33 PM

Sorry, I meant brands that use reflashable controllers like SMI & Alcor chipsets. As far as I know Sandisk uses their own controller type that makes it impossible to convert them to "fixed-disk" mode or to rename the manufacturer.

 

I have tested Transcend drives and they use almost every time high quality chips (even USB 3.0 chips are flashable SMI chips), but they are quiet expensive. I have tested the Jetflash 780 with 16GB and they built in a SM3267AB chip, but it costs around 15€ per drive.....

That's the reason why I'm looking for cheap flash drives which can be flashed as "fixed disk", renamed...etc, you know what I mean  :ph34r: 

Sure I know what you mean :), but - in other words - more or less you get what you pay for.

 

It is more or less like gambling, excluded the ones frankly too cheap (or at least too cheap to be true), with the same cost you may get a "good" (but unbranded) stick or a "crappy" (still unbranded) one, and there is really no way to know for sure in advance.

 

:duff:

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