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#1 florin91

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Posted 26 August 2016 - 08:24 PM

Hello!

 

I have a laptop which had installed Windows 8 on it with partition system mbr. The partition system was converted to gpt and Linux was installed on it.

 

Now, since the files with the Windows installation remained, I want to try to boot Windows on GPT with any bootloader, I don't have any preference.

 

What should be the steps required?

 

Now I should give some details about the partition structure:

florin@florin ~/Desktop> sudo gdisk -l /dev/sda                  
[sudo] password for florin: 
GPT fdisk (gdisk) version 1.0.1

Partition table scan:
  MBR: protective
  BSD: not present
  APM: not present
  GPT: present

Found valid GPT with protective MBR; using GPT.
Disk /dev/sda: 488397168 sectors, 232.9 GiB
Logical sector size: 512 bytes
Disk identifier (GUID): 62554626-B9D6-4CB7-BDAD-655D0E2906BF
Partition table holds up to 128 entries
First usable sector is 34, last usable sector is 488397134
Partitions will be aligned on 2048-sector boundaries
Total free space is 5362 sectors (2.6 MiB)

Number  Start (sector)    End (sector)  Size       Code  Name
   1            2048            4061   1007.0 KiB  EF02  
   2            4096       134220892   64.0 GiB    8300  root
   3       140236800       488394751   166.0 GiB   0700  Microsoft basic data
   4       134221824       140236799   2.9 GiB     8200  swap

And yes, there are a few "gaps" in the partition systems from when I partitioned and this can be seen by examining the offsets.

 

With EF02 small partition I thought I should recreate somehow the boot/bcd files or the hybrid image required to boot windows on gpt, but it might require a bigger size. Will check to boot with a usb first if the later size reason applies.

 

Also, here I have a dd-like image with what was the initial System partition, which I mistakenly overwritten when installing Linux because it was at the beginning of the disk.

 

Practically, the original partitions were like ~300 mb System | ~60 GB  | ~160 GB C:\ (Stuff)

 

Original System image:

florin@florin ~/Desktop> file image_sda1 
image_sda1: DOS/MBR boot sector, code offset 0x52+2, OEM-ID "NTFS    ", sectors/cluster 8, Media descriptor 0xf8, sectors/track 63, heads 255, hidden sectors 2048, dos < 4.0 BootSector (0x80), FAT (1Y bit by descriptor); NTFS, sectors/track 63, sectors 716799, $MFT start cluster 29866, $MFTMirror start cluster 2, bytes/RecordSegment 2^(-1*246), clusters/index block 1, serial number 0dcc220d2c220b2a6
florin@florin /mnt/image> ls -la
total 1789
drwxrwxrwx 1 root root   4096 Jan 25  2015 .
drwxr-xr-x 6 root root   4096 Aug  4 14:46 ..
drwxrwxrwx 1 root root   8192 Jan 25  2015 Boot
-rwxrwxrwx 1 root root 405466 Oct  9  2014 bootmgr
-rwxrwxrwx 1 root root 398158 Sep 20  2012 bootmgr.{4c9116fa-3cdd-47f9-9891-1a09a3557cfa}
-rwxrwxrwx 1 root root 405466 Oct  9  2014 bootmgr.{54cad42b-42e2-4004-afd2-8c95b681b5b9}
-rwxrwxrwx 1 root root      1 Nov  4  2014 BOOTNXT
-rwxrwxrwx 1 root root   8192 Jan 24  2015 BOOTSECT.BAK
-rwxrwxrwx 1 root root 280911 Jan 17  2014 grldr
drwxrwxrwx 1 root root      0 Jun 20  2013 Recovery
drwxrwxrwx 1 root root      0 Oct 10  2014 $RECYCLE.BIN
drwxrwxrwx 1 root root      0 Oct 10  2014 System Volume Information

Existing Windows Partition on disk:

florin@florin /mnt/mount> ls -la
total 2587041
drwxrwxrwx 1 root root       8192 Aug 26 01:26 .
drwxr-xr-x 6 root root       4096 Aug  4 14:46 ..
-rwxrwxrwx 1 root root          1 Jun 18  2013 BOOTNXT
lrwxrwxrwx 2 root root         60 Aug 22  2013 Documents and Settings -> /mnt/mount/Users
drwxrwxrwx 1 root root       4096 Jan 23  2015 Downloads
drwxrwxrwx 1 root root       4096 Jul 15  2015 HaspEmulPE.XP
-rwxrwxrwx 1 root root 1709109248 Jul 12  2015 hiberfil.sys
-rwxrwxrwx 2 root root        618 Feb  9  2015 NetworkCfg.xml
-rwxrwxrwx 1 root root  671088640 Jul 12  2015 pagefile.sys
drwxrwxrwx 1 root root          0 Aug 22  2013 PerfLogs
drwxrwxrwx 1 root root       4096 Feb  6  2015 ProgramData
drwxrwxrwx 1 root root       4096 Feb  6  2015 Program Files
drwxrwxrwx 1 root root       4096 Feb  9  2015 Program Files (x86)
drwxrwxrwx 1 root root          0 Jan 20  2015 Recovery
drwxrwxrwx 1 root root          0 Jan 12  2015 $Recycle.Bin
-rwxrwxrwx 1 root root  268435456 Jul 12  2015 swapfile.sys
drwxrwxrwx 1 root root       4096 Apr  7  2015 System Volume Information
drwxrwxrwx 1 root root       4096 Jan 12  2015 Users
drwxrwxrwx 1 root root      24576 Apr  7  2015 Windows

Thank you!



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Posted 26 August 2016 - 09:18 PM

Found valid GPT with protective MBR; using GPT.

Make small steps.

Verify windows booting first. Insert a USB stick.
Boot a Win PE. run 'bcdboot C:\Windows /s U:'
Adjust letters: C: windows parttion and U: USB stick

Boot from the USB stick. Does Windows 8 boot?

Next step: at running Windows 8 create a small VHD disk, active partition and format the partition.
Copy files from USB stick to the VHD partition.

Include the VHD disk at Grub 2 (and syslinux memdisk) or grub4dos.
http://reboot.pro/to...-14#entry198148
Does Windows 8 boot?

Create a task to mount the VHD disk at startup.

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Posted 27 August 2016 - 04:19 AM

There is already a topic about this:

 

http://reboot.pro/to...in-bios-to-gpt/

 

In the Stack Exchange group of websites this would get flagged as a duplicate and be closed.

 

Use the forum's search function next time.



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Posted 27 August 2016 - 08:06 AM

@Florin91

Besides the mkhidGPT001.zip cited in cdob's method:

http://reboot.pro/to...e-9#entry193659

there is a later (better?) attempt here OFSGPT001.zip  :
http://reboot.pro/to...o-gpt/?p=193947

that was never properly tested/verified.

If you are into experimenting, once you have managed to succeed, it would be nice if you could test the OFS approach and report, I know you have the right attitude/knowledge :)..

 

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Posted 28 August 2016 - 10:05 PM

Thank you, cdob. Just booted Windows PE and tried
 
bcdboot C:\Windows /s D:
As a result, it created a bunch of files on my usb stick not viewable from the Windows I booted.
 
LE:
--
drwxrwxrwx  1 root root     8192 Aug 29 08:22 Boot
-rwxrwxrwx  1 root root   404250 Jun 14  2014 bootmgr
-rwxrwxrwx  1 root root        1 Jun 18  2013 BOOTNXT

Boot:
rwxrwxrwx 1 root root   20480 Aug 28 22:26 BCD
-rwxrwxrwx 1 root root   20480 Aug 29 08:22 BCD.LOG
-rwxrwxrwx 1 root root       0 Aug 29 08:22 BCD.LOG1
-rwxrwxrwx 1 root root       0 Aug 29 08:22 BCD.LOG2
drwxrwxrwx 1 root root       0 Aug 29 08:17 bg-BG
-rwxrwxrwx 1 root root   65536 Aug 29 08:20 BOOTSTAT.DAT
drwxrwxrwx 1 root root       0 Aug 29 08:18 cs-CZ
drwxrwxrwx 1 root root       0 Aug 29 08:18 da-DK
drwxrwxrwx 1 root root       0 Aug 29 08:18 de-DE
drwxrwxrwx 1 root root       0 Aug 29 08:18 el-GR
drwxrwxrwx 1 root root       0 Aug 29 08:18 en-GB
drwxrwxrwx 1 root root       0 Aug 29 08:18 en-US
drwxrwxrwx 1 root root       0 Aug 29 08:18 es-ES
drwxrwxrwx 1 root root       0 Aug 29 08:18 et-EE
drwxrwxrwx 1 root root       0 Aug 29 08:18 fi-FI
drwxrwxrwx 1 root root    4096 Aug 29 08:22 Fonts
drwxrwxrwx 1 root root       0 Aug 29 08:19 fr-FR
drwxrwxrwx 1 root root       0 Aug 29 08:19 hr-HR
drwxrwxrwx 1 root root       0 Aug 29 08:19 hu-HU
drwxrwxrwx 1 root root       0 Aug 29 08:19 it-IT
drwxrwxrwx 1 root root       0 Aug 29 08:19 ja-JP
drwxrwxrwx 1 root root       0 Aug 29 08:19 ko-KR
drwxrwxrwx 1 root root       0 Aug 29 08:19 lt-LT
drwxrwxrwx 1 root root       0 Aug 29 08:19 lv-LV
-rwxrwxrwx 1 root root 1192280 Apr 26  2014 memtest.exe
drwxrwxrwx 1 root root       0 Aug 29 08:19 nb-NO
drwxrwxrwx 1 root root       0 Aug 29 08:19 nl-NL
drwxrwxrwx 1 root root       0 Aug 29 08:20 pl-PL
drwxrwxrwx 1 root root       0 Aug 29 08:20 pt-BR
drwxrwxrwx 1 root root       0 Aug 29 08:20 pt-PT
drwxrwxrwx 1 root root       0 Aug 29 08:20 qps-ploc
drwxrwxrwx 1 root root       0 Aug 29 08:22 Resources
drwxrwxrwx 1 root root       0 Aug 29 08:20 ro-RO
drwxrwxrwx 1 root root       0 Aug 29 08:20 ru-RU
drwxrwxrwx 1 root root       0 Aug 29 08:20 sk-SK
drwxrwxrwx 1 root root       0 Aug 29 08:20 sl-SI
drwxrwxrwx 1 root root       0 Aug 29 08:20 sr-Latn-CS
drwxrwxrwx 1 root root       0 Aug 29 08:20 sr-Latn-RS
drwxrwxrwx 1 root root       0 Aug 29 08:20 sv-SE
drwxrwxrwx 1 root root       0 Aug 29 08:20 tr-TR
drwxrwxrwx 1 root root       0 Aug 29 08:20 uk-UA
drwxrwxrwx 1 root root       0 Aug 29 08:20 zh-CN
drwxrwxrwx 1 root root       0 Aug 29 08:20 zh-HK
drwxrwxrwx 1 root root       0 Aug 29 08:20 zh-TW

Boot/bg-BG:
total 84
drwxrwxrwx 1 root root     0 Aug 29 08:17 .
drwxrwxrwx 1 root root  8192 Aug 29 08:22 ..
-rwxrwxrwx 1 root root 77152 Aug 22  2013 bootmgr.exe.mui

Boot/cs-CZ:
total 132
drwxrwxrwx 1 root root     0 Aug 29 08:18 .
drwxrwxrwx 1 root root  8192 Aug 29 08:22 ..
-rwxrwxrwx 1 root root 76128 Aug 22  2013 bootmgr.exe.mui
-rwxrwxrwx 1 root root 45408 Aug 22  2013 memtest.exe.mui

  
BOOTNXT is empty
And bunch of (useless?) files in Boot.
--
Then, booting the usb stick into grub4dos and trying among others something like:
 chainloader (hd0,0)/bootmgr 
boot   
And now I booted this Windows 8 I had previously.
But probably you knew all knowing your experience.

@AnonVendetta
On StackExchange probably that would have happened.Would you suggest switching this forum to a SE platform to better answer questions/seo / content and so?
 
LE: And probably I don't like the forum interface working, search and Google Search seems better for me than Forum Search. Even the Quote button seems hard to use, or maybe I'm not used with this forum anymore. 

@Wonko
Will see next.


So gdisk is detecting gpt partition. But I could boot windows from it from a removable drive with usb.
Probably booting from a fixed drive with grub4dos would not work.
Probably booting from a fixed drive with Grub2 would not work.
Probably the next solution is to follow the tutorial.


Will see next.

Of course, this is a good method to generate bootmgr and bcd again for a specific installation. I don't think there is an alternative to bcdboot on Linux.

But I already had those files on my taken dd image.


Thanks!

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Posted 28 August 2016 - 10:37 PM

But I already had those files on my taken dd image.


One slight difference:
The entries inside dd image \boot\bcd refers to the old MBR scheme and won't match current GPT scheme. Windows booting would fail.
The new created USB stick \boot\bcd refers to the current GPT scheme. Booting works.

As indicated already, create a hard disk image VHD and copy the new files.

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Posted 29 August 2016 - 07:21 AM

@florin91: No, I wouldn't suggest switching this forum to a Stack Exchange-like platform. This is a forum, intended for discussion, whereas SE is a community intended to ask questions and get answers, and they don't welcome drawn-out discussions.

 

But I do think that eliminating duplicate topics here would be a step in the right direction. As well as weeding out some of the morons that either ask stupid questions, or ask questions that have already been asked but don't bother searching first.

 

Although if I were chief admin, people I don't like would be booted simply because I can. I'm very much a control freak, almost like a dictator. Thankfully for you guys and gals here, I have no aspirations to become anything more here than maybe a script/tutorial/etc writer, and maybe mod of a subforum. Certainly not a dev, since I don't have the patience to develop for unthankful idiots, cooperate with others, or share my code/contribute. At this point in time I have too many other things I need to focus on.



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Posted 29 August 2016 - 08:42 AM

Of course, this is a good method to generate bootmgr and bcd again for a specific installation. I don't think there is an alternative to bcdboot on Linux.

JFYI, BOOTMGR (or BOOTMGR.EFI) are not generated, whilst the BCD obviously is AND there is a "whole Linux" approach already to creating/modifying a BCD, here:

http://reboot.pro/to...ch-using-linux/

 

As well needing some experimentation/tests/confirmations.

 

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Posted 29 August 2016 - 10:30 AM

The entries inside dd image \boot\bcd refers to the old MBR scheme and won't match current GPT scheme. Windows booting would fail.


You mean fail like this:
File: \Boot\BCD
Status: 0xc000000e
Info:  The Boot Configuration Data for your PC is missing or contains errors.
With booting with the autogenerated code from Linux os-probe:
menuentry 'Windows 8 (loader) (on /dev/sda3)' --class windows --class os $menuentry_id_option 'osprober-chain-C01606D31606C9FC' {
	insmod part_gpt
	insmod ntfs
	set root='hd0,gpt3'
	if [ x$feature_platform_search_hint = xy ]; then
	  search --no-floppy --fs-uuid --set=root --hint-bios=hd0,gpt3 --hint-efi=hd0,gpt3 --hint-baremetal=ahci0,gpt3  C01606D31606C9FC
	else
	  search --no-floppy --fs-uuid --set=root C01606D31606C9FC
	fi
	drivemap -s (hd0) ${root}
	chainloader +1
}

AND there is a "whole Linux" approach already to creating/modifying a BCD, here:
http://reboot.pro/to...ch-using-linux/

As well needing some experimentation/tests/confirmations.

:duff:
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Maybe by knowing the exact hex signature of the BCD file protocol it's easier to create one on the fly using open source tools like python or c++.
 
florin@florin /media/florin/Stick/Boot » hexdump -C BCD
00000000  72 65 67 66 03 00 00 00  03 00 00 00 bd 5c bc 51  |regf.........\.Q|
00000010  b5 01 d2 01 01 00 00 00  03 00 00 00 00 00 00 00  |................|
00000020  01 00 00 00 20 00 00 00  00 40 00 00 01 00 00 00  |.... ....@......|
00000030  44 00 65 00 76 00 69 00  63 00 65 00 5c 00 48 00  |D.e.v.i.c.e.\.H.|
00000040  61 00 72 00 64 00 64 00  69 00 73 00 6b 00 56 00  |a.r.d.d.i.s.k.V.|
00000050  6f 00 6c 00 75 00 6d 00  65 00 35 00 5c 00 42 00  |o.l.u.m.e.5.\.B.|
00000060  6f 00 6f 00 74 00 5c 00  42 00 43 00 44 00 00 00  |o.o.t.\.B.C.D...|
00000070  1e f5 1b fd a5 6d e6 11  84 7a f4 e3 e8 92 71 b4  |.....m...z....q.|
*
00000090  00 00 00 00 1f f5 1b fd  a5 6d e6 11 84 7a f4 e3  |.........m...z..|
000000a0  e8 92 71 b4 72 6d 74 6d  ba f0 4d 64 5b 01 d2 01  |..q.rmtm..Md[...|
000000b0  00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00  00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00  |................|
*
000001f0  00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00  00 00 00 00 29 94 8e 85  |............)...|
00000200  00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00  00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00  |................|
*
00001000  68 62 69 6e 00 00 00 00  00 10 00 00 00 00 00 00  |hbin............|

Hmm ... regf
Or probably there are tons of programs that create/edit registry hives, just one template for this particular file is needed.

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Posted 29 August 2016 - 12:23 PM

 

Or probably there are tons of programs that create/edit registry hives, just one template for this particular file is needed.

 

Well, all we found that seemed "usable" was hivexsh, and the little script by cdob here:

http://reboot.pro/to...linux/?p=199312

does what is actually needed (since you have anyway a base BCD on the install media).

 

I can understand how it could be cool to create a BCD from scratch (which is not particularly difficult, BTW, just use - say - BootIce to create a new, empty or almost empty one, and then replicate the format with your Linux tool of choice, but since the usage is "when installing", and you must have "install media" at that stage, and "install media" contains an already made BCD, creating one is IMHO a non-issue, or - rather - a solution in search of a problem.

 

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Posted 29 August 2016 - 03:43 PM

Hmm ... regf
Or probably there are tons of programs that create/edit registry hives, just one template for this particular file is needed.

Yes, the file \boot\bcd is a registry hive.
In addition there are some defnitions relating boot settings.
https://technet.micr...y/cc709667.aspx
https://msdn.microso...e/dn653287.aspx

A open source tools would be nice. With features like bcdedit.exe or BootIce

The hivexsh script is a crude hack. Works at specific confition, not a general solution.
The locate approach should work at a BIOS GPT disk.
Uncomment the three lines after
### /set device locate path:
and the three lines after
### /set osdevice locate path:
\Boot\bcd still inside the VHD disk image. BIOS bootmgr dosn't search \Boot\bcd at a GPT partition.

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Posted 30 August 2016 - 02:47 AM

It still seems to me that this discussion would be better off if migrated to @milindsmart's thread, and this thread closed:

 

1. One unified topic to discuss a common theme

2. Everyone involved benefits because the info is in one centralized location, as opposed to being scattered around

3. With all relevant posts in one thread, it becomes easier for everyone to know where to post, since there wouldn't multiple threads

4. Less maintenance for admins/mods, since there would be less threads and maybe less posts. And less people registering just to only post once and never return.

 

Nuno really is too lax, if I were in his place I'd tighten things until I have an iron grip. Less BS. Put the fear in users so they know not to screw around.



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Posted 30 August 2016 - 08:52 AM

It still seems to me that this discussion would be better off if migrated to @milindsmart's thread, and this thread closed:

 

1. One unified topic to discuss a common theme

2. Everyone involved benefits because the info is in one centralized location, as opposed to being scattered around

3. With all relevant posts in one thread, it becomes easier for everyone to know where to post, since there wouldn't multiple threads

4. Less maintenance for admins/mods, since there would be less threads and maybe less posts. And less people registering just to only post once and never return.

 

Nuno really is too lax, if I were in his place I'd tighten things until I have an iron grip. Less BS. Put the fear in users so they know not to screw around.

 

Good, your objections are on record, you may move on and get to the too many other things you need to focus on..

 

 

@florin91: No, I wouldn't suggest switching this forum to a Stack Exchange-like platform. This is a forum, intended for discussion, whereas SE is a community intended to ask questions and get answers, and they don't welcome drawn-out discussions.

 

But I do think that eliminating duplicate topics here would be a step in the right direction. As well as weeding out some of the morons that either ask stupid questions, or ask questions that have already been asked but don't bother searching first.

 

Although if I were chief admin, people I don't like would be booted simply because I can. I'm very much a control freak, almost like a dictator. Thankfully for you guys and gals here, I have no aspirations to become anything more here than maybe a script/tutorial/etc writer, and maybe mod of a subforum. Certainly not a dev, since I don't have the patience to develop for unthankful idiots, cooperate with others, or share my code/contribute. At this point in time I have too many other things I need to focus on.

 

Logic check :w00t: just in case:

IF Nuno was not "really to lax" he would have probably kicked you out of the board long ago .... :whistling:

 

 

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Posted 30 August 2016 - 09:19 AM

@Wonko: I'll get to the other things I need to focus on, on my own time and at my own pace. In the meantime, I can feel free to post here in whatever topics I damn well please. Suggestions/advice from you are both unwanted and unneeded as well as disregarded, since I dont care for anyone on this board or their opinions of me.

 

I try to contribute and participate in intelligent discussions whenever possible. Anyone here can go through my list of started topics and see that they arent spam (unlike a few of your previous posts), and contain good questions that are suited for this forum. But on the other hand, I'm not afraid to speak my mind.

 

You have the gall to go running off at the mouth, but you're a nothing, a nobody, just some self-righteous old fart from Italy (how typical) that thinks you know everything there is to know about booting methods, and demand respect while oftentimes not giving it. You certainly arent The Finder and deserve no such title, or else you would find that you really arent hot shit after all.

 

Rest assured though, that if I'm ever banned, I'll be back under a different username, different IP, even changing up my post structure and mannerisms a bit. I'm like the Ghost of Christmas Past haunting Ebenezer Scrooge, except I wont go away. Good luck catching me.....



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Posted 30 August 2016 - 10:27 AM

@Wonko: I'll get to the other things I need to focus on, on my own time and at my own pace. In the meantime, I can feel free to post here in whatever topics I damn well please. Suggestions/advice from you are both unwanted and unneeded as well as disregarded, since I dont care for anyone on this board or their opinions of me.

Sure you are free :), I was only pointing out for you that maybe you are so free exactly because Nuno is "too lax".

 

 

 

I try to contribute and participate in intelligent discussions whenever possible. Anyone here can go through my list of started topics and see that they arent spam (unlike a few of your previous posts), and contain good questions that are suited for this forum. But on the other hand, I'm not afraid to speak my mind.

 

You have the gall to go running off at the mouth, but you're a nothing, a nobody, just some self-righteous old fart from Italy (how typical) that thinks you know everything there is to know about booting methods, and demand respect while oftentimes not giving it. You certainly arent The Finder and deserve no such title, or else you would find that you really arent hot shit after all.

 

Rest assured though, that if I'm ever banned, I'll be back under a different username, different IP, even changing up my post structure and mannerisms a bit. I'm like the Ghost of Christmas Past haunting Ebenezer Scrooge, except I wont go away. Good luck catching me.....

 

Yep, very often effectively lowering the level of the intelligent discussion with your lack of any politeness and manners and with your senselessly offensive/aggressive stance.

 

Maybe if you were banned and came back as the Ghost of Past Christmas you would be forced to change your post structure and mannerism in such a way that your posts would become actually agreeable :dubbio:

 

Naah, it's not possible, soon your aggressive personality would become evident.

 

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Posted 30 August 2016 - 10:54 AM

Honestly, this community needs new leadership anyway, when that will happen or who it will be is not my concern. Hopefully it will be someone who is no-nonsence and has a firm hand. Not that there is anything wrong with Nuno, just that he is too lax. I read some reports about the misgivings of the mods/admins (back when you were still an admin and this wasnt yet reboot.pro). You guys definitely made a few enemies. I'm sure the stories werent entirely true or false, but there is a grain of truth (and lies, misconceptions, etc) in everything.

 

If you check, you will see that many of my posts dont have even a hint of aggressiveness. Of course it happens sometimes, when I'm trying to make a point. Although, I wont candy-coat anything for anyone. I would rather be impolite, mannerless, offensive, and aggressive when necessary, rather than being the embodiment of what is deemed a good member while not staying true to myself. I am what I am, I just hate artificial/superficial people. Be what you are, even if it's sometimes what others would consider bad.

 

Someone could easily register as a new member, coincidentally turn out to be somewhat like me, and yet, that wouldnt be enough to prove whether it was or wasnt me. Hard, technical proof is the only way to make the link (although some decisions are made without proof, like a hunch, for example).



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Posted 30 August 2016 - 01:22 PM

Honestly, this community needs new leadership anyway, when that will happen or who it will be is not my concern. Hopefully it will be someone who is no-nonsence and has a firm hand. Not that there is anything wrong with Nuno, just that he is too lax. I read some reports about the misgivings of the mods/admins (back when you were still an admin and this wasnt yet reboot.pro). You guys definitely made a few enemies. I'm sure the stories werent entirely true or false, but there is a grain of truth (and lies, misconceptions, etc) in everything.

 

If you check, you will see that many of my posts dont have even a hint of aggressiveness. Of course it happens sometimes, when I'm trying to make a point. Although, I wont candy-coat anything for anyone. I would rather be impolite, mannerless, offensive, and aggressive when necessary, rather than being the embodiment of what is deemed a good member while not staying true to myself. I am what I am, I just hate artificial/superficial people. Be what you are, even if it's sometimes what others would consider bad.

 

Someone could easily register as a new member, coincidentally turn out to be somewhat like me, and yet, that wouldnt be enough to prove whether it was or wasnt me. Hard, technical proof is the only way to make the link (although some decisions are made without proof, like a hunch, for example).

Well, another logic issue. :w00t:

 

IF a dictatorship was established on reboot.pro (it is already, and since day one it has been a dictatorship, like all discussion boards) AND the Owner (dictator) has the powers and authority to ban anyone for any reason, including having a simple hint that he/she was a banned member returning.

 

Now in this particular case Nuno would probably be too lax to do that without "cold evidence" or "hard technical proof" but another "less lax" dictator may do that without problems.

 

Possibly a number of few "innocents" would fell victims of this "susceptible" ruler, but possibly since thew will be sharing with the previously banned member an obnoxious attitude anyway they would be not so innocent after all.

 

If your proposal is accepted and a new administrator with a firm hand takes command, if he/she really has a firm hand will ban you first thing, thus canceling the source of his/her status or - if he/she does not ban you immediately out of (say) gratitude for having inspired his/her appointment, he/she will become too lax in the eyes of other members.... :dubbio:

 

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Posted 30 August 2016 - 03:18 PM


Use the forum's search function next time.


by what authority does one make this demand?

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Posted 31 August 2016 - 02:59 AM

@Wonko: Not all discussion boards have only one owner, some are owned by a group of people who do things by consensus. The issue with most dictators (and their strong point), whether good or bad, is that they tend to do things autonomously, without consensus. It is difficult to subject them to rules or carry out punishment. They tend to not rule in a way that is democratic, or as a representative of those they serve. Sure, you can ban somone on a whim, but doing things akin to how a court of law would work, basing decisions on facts, would be better.

I pose no threat to Nuno's status (or any of the other mods/admins), he seems likeable enough, but then again he has never irked me in one way or another. He hardly posts anyway, I'm sure he has family matters and work etc to attend to.

You, on the other hand, I decided I didn't like you after your initial response in the UEFI DUET thread. You ignored most of what I said about you in post #14, because you know they are true and cannot counter them with your logic. So, I'll make you an offer (which you will of course not accept), surrender your title as "The Finder", which you don't deserve anyway, and I will gladly leave, and not return under another username. But if, for whatever reason, your title (or similar) is given back to you by request, as a gift, etc, that is when I'll resurface. We obviously dont like each other for whatever reason, since I'm oh such a bad guy, and this community obviously cant handle my unique style/personality, so take one for the team. And do not speak in platitudes such as "if I were to.........", you either will or will not agree.

@Zoso: I don't need authority to say that, it was a statement and a bit of advice, not a demand, you obviously don't know the difference.

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Posted 31 August 2016 - 07:36 AM

The request is manifestly inadmissible, besides totally illogical. :w00t:

 

BTW - just so you know - the title is an editable field (any member can change it, once reached a gven "level" on the board and/or have a given number of posts), just for the record I did deserve that, and it was given to me - as you would say - "by consensus":

http://reboot.pro/to...lopers/?p=20899
http://reboot.pro/to...oted-to-finder/

http://reboot.pro/to...ithout-ramload/

http://reboot.pro/to...214-virtualbox/

 

So if you want to change your title to something appropriate like "The Ultimate Annoyance of the Board", you are welcome to do so, but leave mine as is, thank you :).

 

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Posted 31 August 2016 - 08:10 AM

It wasn't a request, it was offered as an even trade, you voluntarily remove your title by editing it, and I voluntarily agree to leave permanently. My offer will remain standing, if you wish to change your mind later.



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Posted 01 September 2016 - 02:56 PM

It wasn't a request, it was offered as an even trade, you voluntarily remove your title by editing it, and I voluntarily agree to leave permanently. My offer will remain standing, if you wish to change your mind later.

Thank you for the offer then :), but I am afraid I am not interested in it. :(

 

Maybe you could add a few words to explain your board name change:

http://reboot.pro/to...raadt/?p=193860

I have to presume that your life's mission focus has been re-targeted against a single individual. :dubbio:

 

 

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Posted 05 September 2016 - 03:10 AM

I don't do explanations. When I figure out what my life's purpose is there will be no returning. I'm getting closer though.






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