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#1 pscEx

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Posted 24 July 2015 - 04:57 PM

Maybe this can help some members:

http://www.easeus.com/system-go-back

 

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Posted 25 July 2015 - 07:17 AM

Nice! :good:



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Posted 25 July 2015 - 07:34 AM

I would say that it's best to just do a clean install (or restore from backup), if you want to "downgrade". M$ has never really fully supported downgrading (if at all), since they obviously want people to upgrade. I would be wary of using any software that claims it can seamlessly downgrade my system, too much can go wrong.

 

Instead of 8/8.1/10 stuff they've been pushing out, they would have been better off simply improving on 7 with continuous minor updates, for free, while selling major improvements/upgrades every so often for a nominal fee. Or maybe even giving the upgrades away for free like they're doing with 10 now (if only for a year). 7 has been their most popular OS to date and the majority of Windows users are still with it. They did some things right with 8/8.1, but tried to change too much at once, which threw many for a loop. People are resistant to changing out what they always knew for something new, which is why these kinds of changes have to be introduced gradually in baby steps.

 

Touch-based computing and "apps", even for desktops, was where PCs would be going sooner rather than later, and M$ sensed this and moved on it. But they tried to do too much too soon, even though it was and still is a step in the right direction. Not to mention that more and more computing is going to mobile (phones, tablets, etc) and gradually moving away from traditional PCs. The mobile markets have skyrocketed in recent years and it's already estimated by pros that phones/tablets/etc far outnumber traditional PCs. This is the future for humanity.



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Posted 25 July 2015 - 09:38 AM

I would say that it's best to just do a clean install (or restore from backup),

What do you think the tool pscEx posted a link about does? :dubbio:

http://www.easeus.co...-windows-8.html

 

It is a backup and restore program.

 

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Posted 25 July 2015 - 09:40 AM

I would say that it's best to just do a clean install (or restore from backup), if you want to "downgrade". M$ has never really fully supported downgrading (if at all), since they obviously want people to upgrade. I would be wary of using any software that claims it can seamlessly downgrade my system, too much can go wrong.

 

Partially agreed.

 

IMHO, for system roll-back purposes, the best method is to restore a system image, made by using a reliable backup/restore software.

 

I well know, few clicks with a dedicated software are more easy and affordable way, but keep in mind that a system rollback is recommended only to people who knows where his towel is.

 

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Posted 25 July 2015 - 09:40 AM

...and strangely enough, when I tried to download the free tool, not only they asked to supply my email address (which could be normal) but, then, the attached notification appeared.

 

So the question :

 

Is this a complete tool or part of a more complete software to buy ?

 

Beware !

 

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Posted 25 July 2015 - 10:03 AM

I dont particularly trust Easeus products, had a few bad experiences with them. When it comes to backup/restore software, it simply has to work, and work everytime, otherwise you risk losing customer.

I'd much rather trust my data to something much more reliable like CloneZilla. All my partitions are encrypted and use extremely long and and complex passwords, as well as keyfiles, so I'd say good luck bruteforcing them within the next century (social engineering not withindstanding).

I currently use Terabyte Image for Windows and Drive Snapshot, sometimes CZ, but it can take millenia, so I dont use it often. It's also impotanrant to note that backup software and drive imaging are a bit different, albeit with similiar end goals. Imaging is more reliable, neither of the products I've mentioned have given any major issues. And I dont necessarily have to fo a sector by sector image of my crypted volumes. Backing up and restoring crypted anything is a major bitch, but I've devised methods to do the job quickly and reliably.

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Posted 25 July 2015 - 10:48 AM

It is a backup and restore program.

 

I didn't see Wonko's post (because I was involved into another post) so, at this point , the question is much more clear.

 

I suppose that System Go Back is only a part (free) of the more complete suite EaseUS ToDo Backup.

 

Thanks Wonko, I was falling into the trap this time!

 

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Posted 25 July 2015 - 11:16 AM

Yep :), seemingly the good Easeus guys are making use of the (understandable :ph34r:) fear that the imminent forced upgrade by MS with all the unanswered questions coming with it is creating by:

  • harvesting a number of e-mail addresses (which will likely belong to gullible morons less experienced users ;)
  • promoting their payed for products

An exceptionally economic way to reach a number of users that would otherwise never even know the "Easeus brand", while acting as the good guys that may save you from disaster and have a brand new, verified, address book of people involved in Windows.
 
They are IMHO marketing geniuses. :worship:
 
In my little experience with their tools they are not as good as that when it comes to actually writing programs, though (not that they are worse than many others, only they are not exceptionally good at it), and personally I use the same 10 feet pole I use to NOT touch Windows 10 to NOT touch their offerings, but it is just me, and I have an old time fancy to NEVER trust, ANYthing but a "forensic sound" image created with known, verified tools and more generally stay clear of anything that has "automagic" features.
 
But all in all making a "normal" full system backup is enough for the scope of restoring it, so it is not like they are providing a solution to an otherwise unresolvable problem, they are simply (hopefully) providing an easier/more convenient way for the less experienced (anyone with some knowledge experience would have already at least two, verified backups/images of the currently running system, independently form the stupid Windows 10 forced upgrade).
 
 
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P.S.: Just in case through here:
http://betanews.com/...n-escape-route/
you can get to a direct download:
http://www.downloadc...tem_goback_free
http://download.ease...free/goback.exe

Some 77 Mb of installer :w00t: :ph34r:

P.P.S.:
The (inno Setup) installer (as I actually suspected) contains quite a few Open Source and/or Freeware tools (many under the GPL license) including Syslinux, 7-zip and grub4dos (with a grldr nicely renamed as EASEUSLD.LDR) and a whole Linux distro that they completely omit mentioning in the package and also a number of non-redistributable MS files, including NTLDR, BOOTMGR,BCDEDIT.EXE, BOOTSECT.EXE and WIMGAPI.DLL.
The whole lot is placed upon a proprietary license (license.rtf):

System GoBack Free
End-User License Agreement (EULA)
Copyright © 2004-2015 EaseUS. All rights reserved.

Please read this document carefully. This is a legal agreement between you (either an individual or an entity) and EaseUS, the developer of System GoBack Free. This agreement supersedes any prior version license and governs your use of the software.

EaseUS exclusively owns all copyrights of System GoBack Free.

The System GoBack Free may be freely distributed, if the distribution package is not modified. No person or company may charge a fee for the distribution of System GoBack Free without written permission from the copyright holder.

EASEUS TODO BACKUP IS DISTRIBUTED "AS IS". NO WARRANTY OF ANY KIND IS EXPRESSED OR IMPLIED. YOU USE AT YOUR OWN RISK. THE AUTHOR WILL NOT BE LIABLE FOR DATA LOSS, DAMAGES, AND LOSS OF PROFITS OR ANY OTHER KIND OF LOSS WHILE USING OR MISUSING THIS SOFTWARE.

You may not use it to provide external services to your clients. You may not copy, emulate, clone, rent, lease, sell, modify, de-compile, disassemble, otherwise reverse engineer, or transfer the program, or any subset of the program, except as provided for in this agreement. Any such unauthorized use shall result in immediate and automatic termination of this license and may result in criminal and/or civil prosecution.

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EaseUS is trademark of CHENGDU Yiwo Tech Development Co., Ltd. All other trademarks are the property of their respective owners.
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Support will only be provided by e-mail and only on the most current version. Queries regarding the installation and use of the software should be submitted by e-mail to support@todo-backup.com. Requests for additional features and enhancements should be submitted by e-mail to advice@easeus.com. We will attempt to implement all reasonable requests but is not obliged to implement it. If you have questions about purchasing or updating our products, please Email us at sales@easeus.com.

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Installing and using System GoBack Free signifies acceptance of these terms and conditions of the license. If you do not agree with the terms of this license you must remove System GoBack Free files from your storage devices and cease to use the product.

 

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Posted 25 July 2015 - 04:04 PM

Thanks Wonko, I was falling into the trap this time!

 

Me, too!

 

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Posted 25 July 2015 - 04:30 PM

Maybe this can help some members:

http://www.easeus.com/system-go-back

 

Peter

There is only 30 days to rollback to previous OS, this tool solve this problem, good EaseUS guys :good:






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