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#1 Michele13

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Posted 21 July 2012 - 03:30 PM

Hi, I'd like to create a virtual partition CD-Rom Partition in my USB Flash drive like that one that there's in the Sandisk Cruzer Micro U3. If I look in other forum topics I don't get answers but only other questions like "Why are you trying to make that?", "What's that for?", "Why do you need that?", "What are you trying to do?", "What's CDFS?".... I know that this can be done but on the internet I could not find any universal tools to make that possible. The only tools that there are are difficult to use and are downloaded from Russian sites or Chinese sites. Can you explain me how to do that? I want to take an installer always with me in a Read-Only Partition. I also want to know that to satisfy my curiosity. Thanks. :)

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Posted 21 July 2012 - 03:36 PM

The only tools are special manufacturers tools. Why not buy a U3 flash pen and use the tools that go with it?
The other alternative is to copy the ISO to a 2nd partition on a flash drive - see Tutorial #22 on my site.

#3 MedEvil

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Posted 21 July 2012 - 04:42 PM

@Michele13
Only special USB Sticks can do that. You need a U3 stick for that and than the special manufacturers tool, like steve6375 already said.
There are some sticks, which can do that without being marketed as U3 sticks, but they're harder to find.

btw. No use looking for a point and click, one size fits all tool. There is none!

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Posted 21 July 2012 - 09:03 PM

On kickstarter there is a project "isostick":

http://www.kickstart...-in-a-usb-stick
http://www.kickstart...usb-stick/posts
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#5 Michele13

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Posted 21 July 2012 - 11:11 PM

Yes I know but as I said I was wondered how can I make such devices :)

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Posted 22 July 2012 - 05:13 AM

Try this: UFDisk Utility 1.0.0.2 http://mfiles.naver....ies_1.0.0.2.exe
Works great with Lexar flashdrives and they don't have to be U3 , others I'm not so sure. Has provision to load iso file and to boot it as cdrom.
With this your PC will see it as cdrom drive.

Edited by gearmaker, 22 July 2012 - 05:13 AM.


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Posted 22 July 2012 - 06:18 AM

Above link not working for me
When I added the link as normal on this post it would not work either
cutting and pasting to browser should work.

Change From:

http://mfiles.naver.net/73e66fdcc791974b6285e2d8ef0e770ca0fe06e083/20091107_184_blogfile/baljern_1257526707188_feX39M_exe/SMI_UFDiskUtilities_1.0.0.2.exe



Change To: Notice the - sign on the end

http://mfiles.naver.net/73e66fdcc791974b6285e2d8ef037308acfc05ef88/20091107_184_blogfile/baljern_1257526707188_feX39M_exe/SMI_UFDiskUtilities_1.0.0.2.exe-



#8 gearmaker

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Posted 22 July 2012 - 08:26 AM

Yes, I went back to webpage and limk has changed.This is link: http://mfiles.naver....ies_1.0.0.2.exe
This is page:http://blog.naver.co...ge=1&listtype=0

#9 Michele13

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Posted 22 July 2012 - 08:56 AM

it says "Not find any device". but my kingston is plugged in...

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Posted 22 July 2012 - 11:33 AM

UFDisk only works with an SMI controller - you can use ChipGenius to identify what controller you have (or just go through all your USB pens using UFDISK).
I have over 20 USb pens and all the Lexar pens are detected, also a freebie Microsoft pen and a Netac pen. None of the others (inc. Maxell, Sandisk Slice Cruzer,Patriot, Busbi, Verbatim and Corsair, etc.) worked.
Note: The ones that did work also work with Bootit.exe.

These are the ones detected by SMI UFDisk Utilities 1.0.0.2 (only one lexar pen example shown)

Device Name: +[H:]+USB Mass Storage Device(USB Flash Disk USB Device)
PnP Device ID: VID = 090C PID = 1000
Serial Number: AA040127000
Revision: 1100
Device Type: Standard USB device - USB2.0 High-Speed
Chip Vendor: SMI(??)
Chip Part-Number: SM321~SM325
Product Vendor: USB
Product Model: Flash Disk
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Device Name: +[H:]+USB Mass Storage Device(LEXAR JD FIREFLY USB Device)
PnP Device ID: VID = 05DC PID = A701
Serial Number: 106A66010238400
Revision: 1100
Device Type: Standard USB device - USB2.0 Full-Speed (USB1.1)
Chip Vendor: SMI(??)
Chip Part-Number: SM325
Product Vendor: LEXAR
Product Model: JD FIREFLY
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Device Name: +[H:]+USB Mass Storage Device(Lexar USB Flash Drive USB Device)
PnP Device ID: VID = 05DC PID = A795
Serial Number: PX4EZAS2LRKRF5J20JN3
Revision: 1100
Device Type: Standard USB device - USB2.0 High-Speed
Chip Vendor: (No match record)
Chip Part-Number: (No match record)
Product Vendor: Lexar
Product Model: USB Flash Drive
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Device Name: +[H:]+USB Mass Storage Device(RM MiniSafe U2C USB Device)
PnP Device ID: VID = 0DD8 PID = F607
Serial Number: AA04012700007
Revision: 1100
Device Type: Standard USB device - USB2.0 High-Speed
Chip Vendor: Netac(??)
Chip Part-Number: SM321
Product Vendor: RM
Product Model: MiniSafe U2C

#11 MedEvil

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Posted 22 July 2012 - 03:30 PM

Michele13 if you don't trust me, trust at least steve6375. He's our resident flash drive expert.

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Posted 20 August 2012 - 05:32 PM

See also this discusion: http://www.911cd.net...showtopic=24742

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Posted 12 October 2012 - 02:48 PM

I've gotten quite good at doing "Phison" based USB sticks, whose controllers I have found in TDK, Imation, and Verbatim.

I even managed to make an old 2251-50 believe it was two floppy disks. Haven't tried actually booting it though.

Here's a Verbatim I turned into a DVD-ROM... if you insert it into a Mac, it automatically launches DVD Player and starts to play.

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Unfortunately it is a read only situation, although you can write to the rest of the USB stick no problems.

The floppy disks OTOH, were fully writable. So, if they boot, I will be well happy. So much easier to prep a boot disk for stuff.

(PS: Yes, I changed the VID and PID, as well as the description field... I was bored)

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oh, maybe i changed the serial number too :P

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Posted 12 October 2012 - 07:21 PM

I used one of the mass production tools succesfully for a SMI usb controller that had the same vid, pid, as the one at the top of Steve 6375's list
Then I discovered UFD Utility would do the same more flexibly and simply for that device:
Tools were downloaded from flashboot.ru put that in your search engine and use translate if you like a challenge.

Edit
echo above statement trust Steve6375

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Posted 13 October 2012 - 11:59 PM

Just tried Chrome + translation for above Topic, i'm normally off topic but it works pretty good they have obviously slowed down translation services on other browsers (otherwise known as good market domination plan). Doesnt leave excuses for not learning things from dare I say foreign language websites.
There's no excuses now for not researching your subject and only asking when your really stuck::::

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Posted 14 October 2012 - 12:36 PM

Tools were downloaded from flashboot.ru put that in your search engine and use translate if you like a challenge


Really? It's not that hard to navigate it in Russian... from http://flashboot.ru/ on the right hand side, is a link to
SMI SM3257ENAA MPTool V2.03.58 v8 K1129T


Then, you just have to know the following key phrases:

  • Download
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  • Copy this stupid code: "Повторите код:"
  • You got the stupid code wrong: "Неверно введён код, введите код правильно!"
  • Your download will begin in (N) seconds: "начнется автоматически через 5 секунд."

As for learning how to actually use the tools? Now that would be a challenge. I found a partial english guide for Phison chips, and now it all makes sense. But I have never had any luck with other brands.

I did follow steve's instructions, I even have a few "Product Model: JD FIREFLY" Lexar's laying about. But I found that all it did was create an ISO sized USB stick, rather than something that actually enumerated as a CD/DVD ROM.

I'll try again, but I may as well post my abbreviated guide to doing it the Phison way. Even money that the Verbatim stick that steve mention would have been a Phison.

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Posted 14 October 2012 - 01:32 PM

Okay, here it is. I refuse to supply any commentary that doesn't relate to the art work.

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Posted 14 October 2012 - 01:49 PM

Okay, here it is. I refuse to supply any commentary that doesn't relate to the art work.


A sometimes forgotten (and under-rated)song :whistling::
http://www.parolesma...ott_709976.html


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Posted 14 October 2012 - 06:28 PM

all ur endicott r belong 2 us

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Posted 14 October 2012 - 06:36 PM

all ur endicott r belong 2 us


Move ‘ZIG’.
For great justice.

A graph illustrating the situation:
Spoiler


:cheers:
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#21 saddlejib

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Posted 14 October 2012 - 06:53 PM

these off topic ideas should be moved to "Life on Mars" which should be a permanent feature where we can vent, display etc etc our of course, off topic thoughts, it might be cathartic,
@sfinktah
yes i can do the flashboot.ru thing but we all have to learn,

"The only thing that ever consoles man for the stupid things he does is the praise he always gives himself for doing them."

Oscar Wilde of course.

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Posted 14 October 2012 - 07:28 PM

If anyone wants to try his/her capabilites in translating Russian, this is a VERY interesting site :thumbup: (and strangely enough, ON topic ;)):
http://tagievara.nar...rams/flash.html
The owner/Author :worship: is member on 911cd:
http://www.911cd.net...ndpost&p=171649

@saddlejib

It is a very sad thing that nowadays there is so little useless information.

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:cheers:
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#23 saddlejib

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Posted 14 October 2012 - 08:37 PM

Sorry went to watch Antiques Road Show, good old Oscar. :offtopic:

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Posted 17 October 2012 - 04:15 PM

these off topic ideas should be moved to "Life on Mars" which should be a permanent feature where we can vent, display etc etc our of course, off topic thoughts, it might be cathartic,
@sfinktah
yes i can do the flashboot.ru thing but we all have to learn,

"The only thing that ever consoles man for the stupid things he does is the praise he always gives himself for doing them."

Oscar Wilde of course.


"We have now sunk to a depth at which restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men." -- George Orwell

"Whatever, I do what I want." -- Eric Cartman

@wonko - loved endicott almost as much as i loved that pie chart.

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Posted 17 October 2012 - 05:35 PM

@wonko - loved endicott almost as much as i loved that pie chart.

I prefer - generally speaking - XY graphs or bar charts, examples:
http://xkcd.com/418/
http://xkcd.com/231/

Spoiler


Though in some occasions pie charts are actually better:
http://xkcd.com/197/

:cheers:
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