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#101 Wonko the Sane

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Posted 13 November 2014 - 01:39 PM

Well, the "history" inside the file seems like telling a different story:

History018=ied206 - Supporting Flat Boot from USB 3.0 in Intel Haswell Chipsets
History019=cdob - rework Intel USB 3.0, removed embedded wdfldr at VIA and Fresco driver, dism dosn't include this part anyway
History019=cdob - Intel USB 3.0 Switch driver added, combined mode adjusted
History020=cdob - Intel USB 3.0 Switch driver added, combined mode Series 8 drivers at Series 7 hardware
History021=cdob - Intel USB 3.0 Version 3.0.0.19 Driver for Intel NUC - testing


Hence I believe it to be worth a try.

Check also:
http://tinyurl.com/noqwehz

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Posted 13 November 2014 - 02:57 PM

The post above mine, with v20, clearly shows it's gone back to the old way of doing it, where you have to choose between the two Intel drivers.

There had been some testing in the meantime, hence the v21.

BIOS settings are importand too.
At auto mode the port is connected to a USB 2 controller at boot.
And the switch driver switches the port to a USB 3 controller later.

I've no luck mixing 7 Series and 8 Series drivers.
But the 8 Series driver works at 7 Series hardware too.
The 8 series *.inf file was adjusted: 7 Series HardwareID added.
Of course this is without manufacturer support: will work or fail at specific driver version and harware revision.
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Posted 13 November 2014 - 03:00 PM

Well, the "history" inside the file seems like telling a different story:

Hence I believe it to be worth a try.

Check also:
http://tinyurl.com/noqwehz

Thanks. I did see that thread; the way I'm reading it it seems like what had been tried so far hadn't worked, though the last post was in April -- hence my asking for an update. But it does seem like the option is still in the menu, so while an update from someone else who's tried it would still be handy, I'll take a crack at downloading the script, seeing what it's doing and replicating it in my custom Win7 build to see if I have any luck. Thank you.

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Posted 13 November 2014 - 03:02 PM

cdob, on 13 Nov 2014 - 08:57 AM, said:
I've no luck mixing 7 Series and 8 Series drivers.
But the 8 Series driver works at 7 Series hardware too.
The 8 series *.inf file was adjusted: 7 Series HardwareID added.
Of course this is without manufacturer support: will work or fail at specific driver version and harware revision.

Oh, that is VERY useful! I didn't think to just try the 7 series HWID's to 8's .inf files. I just assumed it would fail since it used different chipsets. I'll definitely try that. Thank you!

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Posted 14 November 2014 - 10:35 PM

I'll definitely try that.

Which hardware do you use? Any 7,8 and 9 Series chipset arround?
The old v21 script dosn't support 9 Series chipset.
Can you try 9 Series hardware?

There are 8/9 Series USB 3.0 drivers 3.0.1.41 https://downloadcent...x?DwnldID=22824

At second glance: I don't add 7 HardwareId to a 8 *.inf file.
Instead a 7 series iusb3xhc.inf is renamed to iusb7xhc.inf and uses 8 series *.sys files.
FileRename,%FExtract%\Intel_7C\iusb3xhc.inf,%FExtract%\Intel_8C\iusb7xhc.inf

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Posted 23 November 2014 - 11:56 PM

Hello,

 

first, sorry for my english. i can't speak or write english very well.

 

I build a new PC and now my Win7PESE won't work with the new USB 3.0 Chipset. I'm using the new  "USB 3.0 Support" Version 20 in Winbuilder.

 

When i boot over USB 3.0 it crashes with a Bluescreen (i don't remember the Error code).

When i boot over the DVD-Drive, it starts correctly, but i haven't USB-Ports.. A big fault because i have a usb-keyboard and mouse...

 

 

My Mainboard is Asus Maximus VII Hero with an Intel Z97 Express Chipset and 8 GB Ram, Windows 7 Professional 64bit is installed.

Im using Winbuilder 82 and build a Windows 7 32bit bootable Image to have more compatibility to other Systems...

 

Can anyone help me to solve this problem?

 

Greetings from Germany



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Posted 24 November 2014 - 03:17 PM

I'm using the new  "USB 3.0 Support" Version 20

The old driver dosn't support 9 Series hardware.

Try v22 with Intel 8/9 Series USB 3.0 drivers 3.0.1.41 http://cdob.reboot.p...viceUSB3_V22.7z

 

When i boot over the DVD-Drive, it starts correctly, but i haven't USB-Ports.. A big fault because i have a usb-keyboard and mouse...

Do you use the black or the blue USB ports?

Edited by cdob, 24 November 2014 - 05:29 PM.


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Posted 25 November 2014 - 05:51 PM

Hello cdob,

 

thank you for your quick help...

 

i have 6 USB 3.0(4 on the backside) Ports and 7 USB 2.0 Ports(2 on the backside), both on the same Chip Z97, no extra USB 2 or 3 Chip.

My Keyboard is in one USB 2.0 Port and in the other 2.0 port is a 9-port-hub with my mouse and other usb 2 devices.

 

My UEFI Settings are:

Legacy USB Support: enabled (for my keyboard and mouse)

Intel xHCI Mode: Smart Auto (USB 3.0 supported during POST an operating systems)

EHCI Hand-Off:disabled (supports ehci by ehci Drivers for operating Systems with ehci Support, enabled means Support ehci by bios for operating Systems wothout ehci Support)

And full initialisation for all usb devices...

 

Now i'm using your USB 3.0 Support v22 in winbuilder with Intel combined Auto(test) with or without native USB boot. i'm using the Driver package installer with the latest driverpacks (x86,unzipped, without vista-driver) lan, chipset and massstorage)

 

the results are:

 

USB 3.0 booting without native usb boot: Bluescreen error 7b

USB 3.0 booting with native usb boot: Bluescreen with 7e in pcw.sys

 

DVD booting, it's booting complet with Keyboard and mouse, juhu . i haven't testing other things...

 

Thank you for your help. When you need help, i can test your script on my maschine...

 

 

greetings

 

mschwarz999


Edited by mschwarz999, 25 November 2014 - 06:11 PM.


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Posted 25 November 2014 - 10:46 PM

i'm using the Driver package installer with the latest driverpacks (x86,unzipped, without vista-driver) lan, chipset and massstorage)

Try to add as less as possible: lan only

Do you use AHCI or RAID configuration?

USB 3.0 booting without native usb boot: Bluescreen error 7b

Do you use RAM load, \sources\boot.wim?
 

USB 3.0 booting with native usb boot: Bluescreen with 7e in pcw.sys

Broken diver or a timing error (CPU too fast).
 

When you need help, i can test your script on my maschine...

Try basic USB 3.0 driver: without the switch driver:
Set xHCI Mode Enabled at BIOS. And choose Intel 8x Enabled at script.

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Posted 26 November 2014 - 02:32 PM

I'm using my win7pe se to repair other peoples computer in private, not commercial use (i'm unemployed).

so i need the Drivers to have access to other peoples Hardware...

 

 

 

i'm using ahci...

and my build model is normal, not ram load. so win7pe runs on Computers with 512 MB Ram :rolleyes: and my DVD is 1,5 GB big

 

Im using Antivir  and Spyware search, Reading smart-data, scan and defrag or clone harddisks. it runs perfect except on my Computer. but my Computer is only one month old...

 

Error 7e in pcw.exe: ihave an 8 core cpu (4 Cpus with hyperthreading) Intel i7 4790K.

 

Broken Driver... i think yes because USB booting has Errors with or without native usb booting.

only DVD boot works and after booting runs usb...

 

xhci enabled, ok i'm testing it...


Edited by mschwarz999, 26 November 2014 - 03:21 PM.


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Posted 26 November 2014 - 03:21 PM

ok, tests complete

 

xhci switch to enabled

 

win7pese build "Ramload", disable Driver package installer

 

the same as above

 

Bluescreen 7e in pcw.sys

 

ups... i forgot to select Intel 8x enabled...

 

tested and...

 

bluescreen 7e in pcw.sys

 

sorry...


Edited by mschwarz999, 26 November 2014 - 03:37 PM.


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Posted 26 November 2014 - 10:31 PM

i need the Drivers to have access to other peoples Hardware...

Always a pleasure if suggestions are recejted ;)
No idea which driverpacks you added. This may conflict any other driver addings.
In general windows installation media supports chipset level. Without chipset support, you can't install windows.
There is no need to add a chipset driver to boot a PE. 
Intel chipset driver packages disables USB 3 speed. There may be funny results at PE if you add USB 3 drivers in addition.
 

i'm using ahci...

As for repair I prefer OS default drivers: msahci.sys supports AHCI mode.
 

my build model is normal

Neither MS nor Intel supports USB disk booting at Win7, expect troubles.
 

so win7pe runs on Computers with 512 MB Ram

Nothing you would install windows 7.
What about two different win7pe? One DVD flat file version for old hardware. And another USB boot RAM load version?
 

Error 7e

I assume a driver conflict, remember neither OS manufacturer nor hardware manufacturer supports the requested flat file boot.

At a 0x7b a different driver load order may work.
This approach goes back to 2005 http://www.911cd.net...showtopic=14181

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Posted 27 November 2014 - 06:24 PM

and my build model is normal, not ram load.

Intel switch driver was not loaded at normal mode.
This enables USB 3.0 speed. At BIOS auto mode should work nontheless.
No idea if this can cause a BSOD 7e. Good luck.
Adjusted at v23 http://cdob.reboot.p...viceUSB3_V23.7z

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Posted 28 November 2014 - 10:19 PM

Juhu.... Yippie ya yeah

 

I got the error found by chance ... and your help....

 

I tested your new script... it runs perfect on DVD but usb-booting fails with bluescreen and error 7e... the same as above...

 

You've mentioned that the CPU might be too fast and I checked in UEFI what you could switch in adversity ..

I turned off 3 of the 4 CPU cores and it ran ... I turned off 2 of the 4 CPU cores and it ran ...

 

Then I had no desire to try more... But it ran...

 

I think the CPUs are too fast with USB 3.0 because the slow DVD it runs well ...

 

Oh... Intel Virtualization Technology is not apparent. I had it enabled or disabled. The error was the same ...

 

Have a nice Weekend...

greetings...

 

mschwarz999


Edited by mschwarz999, 28 November 2014 - 10:23 PM.


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Posted 30 November 2014 - 10:37 PM

At second glance: I don't add 7 HardwareId to a 8 *.inf file.
Instead a 7 series iusb3xhc.inf is renamed to iusb7xhc.inf and uses 8 series *.sys files.
FileRename,%FExtract%\Intel_7C\iusb3xhc.inf,%FExtract%\Intel_8C\iusb7xhc.inf

Oh, I bet that'll work even better.

 

Adding the HardwareId's from 7 series to the 8 series *.inf worked fine; I've been testing it for the last week or so and both kinds of systems seem pretty stable.  But of course, the 7 systems end up with the 8 version numbers.  Renaming the *.inf in 7 and including it will probably allow for the 7 version numbers to be used, which is probably better for any following upgrades, and it also allows for the different registry settings in 7.  (The only difference I could see in the reg entries is that 7 forces Selective Suspend off; I bet that's for good reason!)



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Posted 01 December 2014 - 10:11 PM

I've been testing it for the last week or so and both kinds of systems seem pretty stable.

Which hardware do you use? Can you list the HardwareID?
 

But of course, the 7 systems end up with the 8 version numbers.  Renaming the *.inf in 7 and including it will probably allow for the 7 version numbers to be used, which is probably better for any following upgrades, and it also allows for the different registry settings in 7.

I'm confused:
do you use a PE or full windows?
At a PE I ignore version numbers and upgrades.
At a full windows I would not combine driver packages.
Can you clarify your conditions? Why do you like to combine the drivers?

 

You've mentioned that the CPU might be too fast and I checked in UEFI what you could switch in adversity ..
I turned off 3 of the 4 CPU cores and it ran ... I turned off 2 of the 4 CPU cores and it ran ...

What's the current configuration? What happens if you enable all 4 CPU cores again?

Asus offers a older USB 3.0 driver V3.0.0.16 too.
Do you like to try this one? You never know the result witout testing.

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Posted 03 December 2014 - 12:05 AM

sh..
 
hello cdob,
 
sorry, I can not repeat my results unfortunately....
I must have something switched and do not know what ...

I will test the next day even know what my settings were ...

 

Greetings mschwarz999



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Posted 10 December 2014 - 11:31 PM

ok, cdob...

 

i found it...
 
first part:

UEFI:
xhci switch to enabled
all cpu cores enabled

win7pese:
build "Ramload"
disable Driver package installer
USB 3.0 Support (RemovableDeviceUSB3.script) v23:
Intel 8x enabled...

on DVD-Booting:

success, booting with usb 3.0 support

 

second part:

 

Testing with usb 3.0 -booting or DVD-booting

and / or enabled Driver package installer

and / or Build normal mode

 

later....

 

Greetings mschwarz999


Edited by mschwarz999, 10 December 2014 - 11:38 PM.


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Posted 13 December 2014 - 05:38 PM

Hello  cdob,
 
i've testing different choices:
 
  Boot     Build model     Native USB Boot        Driver Package Installer     CPU-Cores   result
1 DVD         In Ram                yes                                    no                           1 - All          success
2 USB         In Ram                yes                                    no                           1 - All          BSOD -7E
3 USB         In Ram                 no                                     no                           1 - All          success
4 USB         Normal                 no                                     no                           1 - All          BSOD -7B
5 USB         In Ram                 no                                     yes                         1 - All          success
6 USB         Normal                 yes                                   yes                         1 - All          BSOD -7E
 
In these cases, the number of cpus is probably matter and whether additional drivers are loaded.

In Ram loading and native USB Boot are not compatible.

Build model normally do not work. Probably because of the Drivers.

 

USB 3.0 Support v23 with Intel 8.x enabled

 

Greetings

mschwarz999
 
 
Ps. the html editor works not very good.... copy and paste dont work, i can not recolor any words, no tables....or it don't like ie11


Edited by mschwarz999, 13 December 2014 - 05:55 PM.


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Posted 15 December 2014 - 05:07 PM

Boot     Build model     Native USB Boot        Driver Package Installer     CPU-Cores   result
4 USB         Normal                 no                                     no                           1 - All          BSOD -7B

This is the expected result: missing boot device

I get:
Both Windows 7 x86 gold or Windows 7 x86 SP1 files
Asus C8Hm70-I with a HM70 chipset http://www.asus.com/...boards/C8HM70I/
BIOS xHCI Auto smart mode
USB 3 script v23 "Intel combined Auto (testing)"
No Driver Package Installer
USB 3.0 speed is active at running PE.

Boot Build model Native USB Boot result
1 USB In Ram yes success
2 USB In Ram no success
3 USB Normal yes success

 

Boot Build model Native USB Boot Driver Package Installer CPU-Cores result
2 USB In Ram yes no 1 - All BSOD -7E
3 USB In Ram no no 1 - All success

Yes, a timing error.
Do you like to test different driver load order or timings?

Edited by cdob, 15 December 2014 - 05:16 PM.


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Posted 17 December 2014 - 12:46 AM

did you mean

USB 3 script v23 with different intel drivers?

I do not know what you mean by different driver load order or timings...

but i will test your results too

Both Windows 7 x86 gold or Windows 7 x86 SP1 files
Asus C8Hm70-I with a HM70 chipset http://www.asus.com/...boards/C8HM70I/
BIOS xHCI Auto smart mode
USB 3 script v23 "Intel combined Auto (testing)"
No Driver Package Installer
USB 3.0 speed is active at running PE.

Boot Build model Native USB Boot result
1 USB In Ram yes success
2 USB In Ram no success
3 USB Normal yes success

but have i enough time... in  one week is xmas  :huh:... :blink:



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Posted 18 December 2014 - 09:36 PM

ups, i forgot....
 
i modified "Copy to USB-Device BCD BootMGR" to build a normal buildmodel to usb...
 
damned.... :(
 
i comment "If,Not,%BuildModel%,Equal,RAM" out...

im using it to copy it to a compact flash Card and run it from a card reader or a compact flash to sata adapter...

runs great... and it's booting in my lovely "normal" build model...

boot as hd with 30 seconds (compact Flash with 633x Speed) on my System like DVD

it's a third alternate methode to boot...

Edited by mschwarz999, 18 December 2014 - 10:19 PM.


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Posted 19 December 2014 - 07:21 PM

First different USB drivers are loaded. And initialized later at  boot. There is no way to control this fully.

 

There is the XP based USB driver load http://www.911cd.net...showtopic=14181

Service start=0 and a proper group.

Do not ask the proper group, this hasn't been answered in the last nine years. Ignore theory and logic, expect the not expected.

Groups "Base", "Boot Bus Extender"and "System Bus Extender" had been used.

 

http://support.micro...kb/115486/en-us

http://support.micro....com/kb/314082/

 

Attached a USB 3 Intel x86 release. Attached File  RemovableDeviceUSB3_v24a_Intel_X86.gz   468.78KB   12 downloads.

 

Use either native USB driver load http://msdn.microsof...y/ff794567.aspx

 

Or Intel boot: the group "Base" is set to defautl. Feel free to change this value

 

 

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Posted 20 December 2014 - 01:50 PM

Oh, I get headaches ...

I've got to read in peace ...

by the way ... I have a small improvement for ImgBurn ISO.
When you type "/PORTABLE /NoSaveSettings" adds the command line, no values can be rewritten in the registry...



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Posted 25 December 2014 - 06:14 PM

Hello cdob,

happy x-mas to you and all other...

I think it makes no sense to take my computer for reference .............
 
I have made some CompactFlash cards to have an emergency medium without always burn a new DVD. A USB stick was not so great ....

My configuration:

  • a USB 3.0 Cardreader to Copy in USB3.0 Speed
  • a Compact Flash to sata Card Called HX-1223
  • Some Cable to connect it to esata
  • 1 Compact Flash Mustang Flash 633x 16GB Interlagos
  • 1 Compact Flash Transcend Compactflash UDMA 300x 2GB

Win7PESE

  • build model: "In Ram"
  • USB 3.0 Support v23 (i know, it works), Intel 8x enabled

my result:

 

                          Native

                            boot

Mustang 633x        no          BSOD 7e

                              yes         Booting success 

 

Trancend 300x      yes          BSOD 7e

                              no           Booting success

 

DVD Boot              yes          BSOD ???

                               no           success

 

it's horrible....

 

@cdob:

i can test your Settings, but make it sense when you see the results...

 

greetings mschwarz999






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