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#76 cdob

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Posted 23 April 2012 - 10:05 PM

and with this structure, your imdisk-workaround isn t working.


I'm using

Boot
imdisk
Program Files
ProgramData
sources
Users
Windows
ZISO

I've a difference experience.
ImDisk is working and Windows 7 install is possible.
PE RAM disk and flat file booting works too.

Does <DVD>\sources contain any *.wim file?

Can you post used menu.lst?
A 'map /ISO/Win7PE_SE-boot.wim.iso (hd32)' dosn't match pictures with ZISO.
Difficult to understand explanations, if there are obvious errors.

Can you try the suggested menu.lst?
Adjust file names at hard disk accordingly.

I wonder: does RAM booted PE read folder \Programs from RAM or DVD?

unfortunately my win-xp-isnstallation over firadisk need a minimum ram of about 700-800mb;(

It' a broken approach as for old machines. e.g. i815 chipset

maybe i can use your imdisk-method also for the xp-installation. not tried it yet.

XP dosn't use autounattended.xml. The Windows 7 approach fails at XP.

What about XP flat files?

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Posted 23 April 2012 - 10:57 PM

I'm usingI've a difference experience.
ImDisk is working and Windows 7 install is possible.
PE RAM disk and flat file booting works too.


unfortunately its in my case not working and i am useing a similar structure then you (winfolder in root and so on).


Does <DVD>sources contain any *.wim file?


no

Can you post used menu.lst?


here is a sample from the first important entries:

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title Win7PE_SE (Windows7-Live-System/direct-Boot/Min. 256MB Ram
chainloader /BOOTMGR

title Win7PE_SE (Windows7-Live-System/In Ram-Boot/Min. 800MB Ram!
map /Boot/IMG/Win7.iso (hd32)
map --hook
chainloader (hd32)
boot

title Install Windows 7nRun the Windows 7 install DVD ISO image (not working something not found. look at depending screenshot)
map /ZISO/WIN7.ISO (0xff)
map --hook
root (0xff)
chainloader ()



title InstallWindows7nRun the Windows7 install DVD ISO image (also not working. same error. see screens)
map /ZISO/WIN7.ISO (0xff)
map --hook
chainloader
(0xff)

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I wonder: does RAM booted PE read folder Programs from RAM or DVD?


no, its not loaded in ram as far as i understood that. it contains some of the aplications for the direct boot winpe-live-system. not the boot.wim.

unfortunately my win-xp-isnstallation over firadisk need a minimum ram of about 700-800mb;(
It' a broken approach as for old machines. e.g. i815 chipset


oh thats an relative old treasure. the intel 815 chipset, codname "solano" if i remember it corretly.
have forget the maximum possible amount of ram for this chipset.
but its a long time since i had to do with pentium3 system:)
in the field its relativ rarer. you see more pentium4 then p3 systems.


What about XP flat files?



did you mean with this a small windows-xp-live-system?
in case of yes: not an good idea. i have experimentet with it. xp ist to limitet. driver implementation was also a pain and it not even have native sata support.
i think win7 is the better choice. it can also use systems with sata support and the most new systems have sata and also the driver implementation is much easier and the most apps for win7-live-systems seem much newer then the xp stuff.
i think xp is to outdatet.
what a pity. xp is a nice system and i used it for many years.
its still supportet till 2014 with security fixes from ms as far as i know.
meanwhile i relative lucky with win7.

thank you for your help cdob!
i hope we can somehow find out where the problem is.

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Edited by livedude, 23 April 2012 - 11:23 PM.


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Posted 23 April 2012 - 11:28 PM

update:
seems i have found the problem.
its the folder "source". if i remove it then imdisk-method (win7 installation) is wortking,no error.
so i suppose that there is something in it what impede that imdisk-method can work (its no boot.wim in it!)...

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Edited by livedude, 23 April 2012 - 11:29 PM.


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Posted 23 April 2012 - 11:32 PM

update2

it seems it was the file "setup.exe". i removed them from source and imdisk-method seems to work.
but not that i am be glad to early.
further tests in progress. till now it looks good.

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Posted 24 April 2012 - 12:00 AM

i just noticed that:

WIN7.ISO files is greater 4GB, final ISO image builded with mkisofs of course.


and how if you allow me to ask?
you read what i tried and you also saw this screen?:

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here mkisfos ignores files lager then 4gb. problem is real, you see it on the screenshot;)

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Edited by livedude, 24 April 2012 - 12:04 AM.


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Posted 24 April 2012 - 01:27 PM

update:

i sucesfully createt last night, my first prototype of my project on a double layer dvd! everything seems to work.
the problem was, that my project was about a little bit over 8.5gb big, so the double layer has had not enough space.
its seems also that double layer dvd`s have not exact 8.5gb free space, its a little bit lesser.
well, becouse of this space problem, i searched for ways, to reduce the size of my project.
the first what came in my mind was to reduce the createt win7-aio from the versions wich don t needed.
i mean with this starter and homebasic. here in germany win7-hp is standard. no one uses win7-starter or homebassic here.
people have win7-home premium or a higher version. so starter and home basic are sensless.
therefore i played with the thought to remove this usless version to reduce the size of the win-aio.
but i don t want to study commandline crap to use the complicatet commandline tools.
we have now the year of the lord 2012 and no one works voluntary with commandline, only if he must.
so i searched for an enduser compatible solution to manage this win-aio thing and i found a very interesting programm.
its called :"WinAIO Maker Professional - The All in One Windows Setup Solution".
it seems that you can make almost everything with this tool. it has for example auto abilities for creating win7.aio and much more.
and the best is, you don t need install waik! i played yesterday i little bit around with it and i removed easily the win-versions from aio, wich don t needed.
but this tool can much more i think and its free;) but look yourself: http://www.joshcells...all-in-one.html
so i was able to reduce the space of he project a little bit with removing the not needed win7-versions, not much about 150-200mb, but enough that my projects fits to an double layer. i burned it and testet it. even my old centrino nootbook can read it and everything seem to work.
i use this centrino notebook as reference for old computer and my workstation: intel z68 chipset (6er series), core i 5 2500k/ 8mb ram, as reference for new systems.i test not only if it can boot, i test also if the win livesystem detect the new hardware. at least it must detect the networkcard and sata controllers. the createt live system, boot and works ,finding hardware even from the newer workstation wich has relativ new hardware). that shows me that i did a good job at driver integration;)
so fast from me.

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Edited by livedude, 24 April 2012 - 01:40 PM.


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Posted 24 April 2012 - 05:19 PM

we have now the year of the lord 2012 and no one works voluntary with commandline, only if he must.

so i searched for an enduser compatible solution to manage this win-aio thing and i found a very interesting programm.
its called :"WinAIO Maker Professional - The All in One Windows Setup Solution".

Nobody is perfect, and I'm nobody!
This can be applied for your opinion about command line.

There are a lot of members in this forum using cmd line as experts, like Wonko, or as sufficient informed users, like me.

IMO the tool you mention, is only a wrapper for cmd line.
I'm sure: When it works w/o WAIK, it internally uses DISM.

How e.g. to remove some unwanted install versions, is explained here: http://www.windowspr...gement-mit-dism (German language!)

As you see, everything by cmd line!

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Posted 24 April 2012 - 06:04 PM

Hallo Peter:)

This can be applied for your opinion about command line.


sure, its my opinion and if anyone want to work with a commandline he can do it.
but it not to esay to say that it is only a individual opionion. i think its more then that.
i don t know a single (for the enduser interesting) operating system, wich is commandline only.
all enduser-atractive operateing systems, have a intuitiv graphical interface and commandline/shell is only optional.
look at apple, windows and even the linux guys have recognizeed, that the majority of the people don t want to work with a shell only.
therefore userfriendly distrubutions like ubuntu, suse and so on were createt.
is that all a big coinsident or can one say, that the most of the people don t want work with a commandline (primary)?
in my opinion you can say, that working with shell is not very attractive for the majority of the people.
in the enduser-area, commandline has never rearched the breakthrough and this is no coinsident.

look to the past:

at the beginning of computers people worked with commandline.
then the grapical interfaces were createt wich maked the work of millions people easier and in some cases also more effectivly.
so work with graphical interfaces become to standard and this is also no coinsident, too;)

i see a commandline as something optional. first there must be an userfriendly, in widest parts, selfexplaned gui.
such tools can have commandline as an optional option, but not as primary.
sure there are some tools wich are only commandline, but it takes not long and anyone write a gui for that and the most people are happy for that.
and if there are tools, wich are only commandline, also have a complex syntax and you must make a study bevor you can use, such tools, will never reach the breakthrough for the consumer.
only a few people use it and if they are happy with, its nice for them.
but the most people want to work inutitiv and graphical and not hammer kryptical commands in a dinosaur commandline-console like in the beginng of the computer area.
its everyones own decision what he prefers and therefore i am very thankfull;)

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livedude

Edited by livedude, 24 April 2012 - 06:19 PM.


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Posted 24 April 2012 - 06:14 PM

Let's stop the (bit OFFTOPIC) discussion about cmd line.

I does not make much sence when a vegetarian tries to convince a meat-eating man and vice versa.

Peter :cheers:

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Posted 24 April 2012 - 06:16 PM

There are a lot of members in this forum using cmd line as experts, like Wonko, or as sufficient informed users, like me.

Wonko (the Sane) also appreciates command line related humour... ;)


Of course the Unix/Linux/BSD are much MORE fun then NT command console:

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An example from here:
http://www.hawkwings...and-line-geeks/

% man: Why did you get a divorce?

man:: Too many arguments.

:rofl:

BTW, and just for the record, the Author :worship: of the program you found, had the actual courage to make this statement :w00t::
http://www.joshcells...d-small-7z.html

Quick 7z Extractor - The Simply and Small 7z Solution.....Features:
Virus FREE, no external programs required [ .NET Framework v3.5 only ]
Coded with security features
Browse the folder after extraction
Supports multipart files
Works with simply
Faster GUI

Wonko LOVES understatements :smiling9:


:cheers:
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Posted 24 April 2012 - 06:19 PM

psc(Ex) LOVES framework! :blowup:

Peter :cheers:

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Posted 24 April 2012 - 06:22 PM

sorry for this drift away;)
was also not meaned in a bad way.
have fun with whatever you prefer.
peace:) and back 2 topic.

best regards
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Posted 24 April 2012 - 06:25 PM

sorry for this drift away;)
was also not meaned in a bad way.
have fun with whatever you prefer.
peace:) and back 2 topic.

best regards
livedude

Just for record: I am not angry or feeling aggressed about / by your opinion. I only wanted to say that such a vegetarian / meat discussion is senceless for both partipicants.

Peter :cheers:

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Posted 24 April 2012 - 06:30 PM

glad to hear that. i also agree.
thank you Peter!

Greetings
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Posted 24 April 2012 - 10:06 PM

did you mean with this a small windows-xp-live-system?

No, it's about files \win* and directory \I386\ at DVD.

Did XP install finish so far?
Is ASMS directory available at first reboot?

How much RAM do you expect?

and how if you allow me to ask?

From the year 2007 or 2064: a mkisofs 2.01.01a34 (i686-pc-cygwin) at command line.
Or a current mkisofs at command line.
I prefer to read from different directories, use links and graft-points.
There is no need to copy several GB data at hard disk first.
No idea about a fancy gui supporting this.

you read what i tried

Again, no idea about a fancy gui.
Ask the maintainer of the relating part.

and you also saw this screen?:

A result of a broken input.
Why a picture? It's a command line application. Can't you post text?


we have now the year of the lord 2012 and no one works voluntary with commandline, only if he must.

I disagree, command line is nice still.

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Posted 24 April 2012 - 11:35 PM

No, it's about files win* and directory I386 at DVD.


if this is possible to start this way an installation, why not.

Is ASMS directory available at first reboot?


don t know.asms directory?

Did XP install finish so far?


it should, not tried it yet. you can start the installation and if its reboot, you boot the menu again, start xp-installation again but don t press a button and let it load from hd to acxes the monutet disk and finish the installation...


How much RAM do you expect?


not less then 512mb but you neveer know..glad that my flat live system also works with 256mb only


Why a picture? It's a command line application. Can't you post text?


i have only this poping cmd-.picture if i create an iso with the create iso-script and mkisofs.
if you can say me, how i can find the text (maybe in log of winbuilder or something) and much more important, if its usefull to solve the problem from the picture, then i can take look.

From the year 2007 or 2064: a mkisofs 2.01.01a34 (i686-pc-cygwin) at command line.
Or a current mkisofs at command line.
I prefer to read from different directories, use links and graft-points.
There is no need to copy several GB data at hard disk first.
No idea about a fancy gui supporting this.


well, i don t want to become an (enfored) expert of mksofs now and begin a study that i can use it.
its not working and i did what was possible for me.
so i keep useing imgburn as workaround, till i found a enduser-compatible solution for the mkisofs problem.


Ask the maintainer of the relating part.


wich should be the relating part? mkisofs (you know that i use the version from patch link, didn t you) or the create script?
i have no clue, sorry.

i deprecate to work like tools like mkisfos try to force the user: only commandline as primary, very complex syntax and lines with kryptical commands long as books. for me personal this is nothing. if you like to work like this, then i am gald for you and go on like this, but i don t want to be enforecd to work like this.
i also use several tools, wich have also the possibility of a powerfull optional commandline, but not in first place.
an example what i mean: look at the tool poweroff: http://users.telenet...ff/poweroff.htm.
its a very powerull tool (it least it was under windpws xp) and it has a nice easy to understund gui and a very, very powerfull shell/commandline (you can combine commands and stuff and so on). i realizing things with this tool and his powerfull commandline, wich i don t took for possible. but it also costs me mucg, much time:)
and this tool also didn t enforce me for commandline, so i decide voluntary to use the commandline, to do more complex things.
but whatever. i think this discusion leads us to nowhere.
if you like commandline use it, i use it only as optional posibility and only if i must. its no fun for me.

have now the year of the lord 2012 and no one works voluntary with commandline, only if he must.
I disagree, command line is nice still.


thats your right to have this opinion and is also my right, to don t agree with you in this point;)
i agree with Peter in this point, its sensless to discuss about it.
everyone should use whatever he prefers.

btw: thank you a lot for you help, your instructions, hints and sugestions!


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livedude

Edited by livedude, 25 April 2012 - 12:04 AM.


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Posted 26 April 2012 - 07:46 PM

if this is possible to start this way an installation, why not.

That's the default XP layout. It's works.

you can start the installation and if its reboot, you boot the menu again, start xp-installation again but don t press a button and let it load from hd to acxes the monutet disk and finish the installation...

Nice work around. Requires to RAM load a second time.

not less then 512mb

How do you RAM load a 700mb XP ISO image to 512mb RAM?

i have only this poping cmd-.picture

Can you grab text from cmd window?

wich should be the relating part?

If you use a project, ask the project first.

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Posted 27 April 2012 - 01:48 AM

Hey cdob,

That's the default XP layout. It's works.


i don t have a clue how i should even load this with grub 4 dos. its no image.
how`s about with some instructions? :)

Nice work around. Requires to RAM load a second time.


if the installation starts, the machine has enough ram. so where is the problem for a secound ram-load to finish the installation?
sorry i don t see the point/problem.
that this method of installation windows-xp is not the best way, was already spoken.

How do you RAM load a 700mb XP ISO image to 512mb RAM?


not at all. what a question;) if i expect a minimum amont of ram of 512, its not meaning that i also get this minimum at field.
you don t get everytime what you want. ask dr. house m.d, he also knows that:)

Can you grab text from cmd window?


maybe if you say me how i shoudl do this.

If you use a project, ask the project first.


in this case you mean propably the coder of the create-iso-script from win7pe_se?
i am not even sure if the script is the couse of the problem.
there is a gui-tool wich create with mkisofs, iso`s from directories.
if you use it in the standard version and try to make a iso from a directory wich contains a single file wich is over 2gb`s, then the iso creation isn t working. very known problem somehow...
so i replaced the mkisofs version wich came with this tools, wich seems to be a mingw-something version, with the ming-something-version from patch`s link and now imagine what happens:
the iso creation worked with a single file wich is over 2gb...
then i tried to make an iso from a dir wich contained a file wich was over 4gb (win.aio). iso creation wasn t working again.
the tool is called: MGISO: http://www.solriche....mgiso/mgiso.htm
try it yourself if you like.
whatever, i am no coder and also no mkisofs expert, so for me its not even apparent if the problem is not depending somehow on mkisofs. but you said, that in your case it worked with such big files.
so no clue.
i searched for a new mkisofs-mingw. something version and after the hours past by, the newest mingw-version i found was from 2006? and has the same size then patch`s version.. and of course for some reason the named tool and also the create iso-script don t work with a current cygwin version of mkisofs. so for me slowly the mkisofs story is over...

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Edited by livedude, 27 April 2012 - 02:11 AM.


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Posted 27 April 2012 - 03:28 AM

correction:

How do you RAM load a 700mb XP ISO image to 512mb RAM?


not at all. the feature xp installation is only avaible at 700-800mb of ram....
but i think that is self explained;) (hint: and there is also this text about minimum ram in bootmenu for the xp installation feature)

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