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#26 cdob

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Posted 11 April 2012 - 04:16 PM

But that's a question for the project bakers.

I volunteer for the task.

after this critical winload.exe>4gb-problem seems to be solved

It's not solved satisfactorily, a half broken work around is used.

found no understundable way with clear instructions to do this (for an untouched winxp.iso) atm;(
maybe be later if i have clear instructions/informations.

Nobody did this at a DVD before. You can't find a solution, if nobody solved this so far.

What about the previous suggestion at post #19
http://reboot.pro/16...post__p__151382
Of course ajdust /Boot/IMG/ now. Use another name, remember the half broken work around.

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Posted 11 April 2012 - 04:20 PM

this begins already with the one of the first lines:
set MYISO=win7.iso /uhm nice. myiso. yes this explains all. do they mean maybe: set MYISO=/WINFira/Iso/win7.iso (wich is the path to the untouched win7.iso on my project)?
i absoultly don t know what they want from me and how i can change the path that its fit to my project.
no way, without clear instrcutions to do it.

Come on, it is not rocket science, you need to have some basics if you want to introduce changes/adapt a given solution to your project.
The syntax is EXACTLY the same of DOS/Windows BATCH files (and of a number of common scripting languages).
This line:

set MYISO=win7.iso

Sets variable "MYISO" to value "win7.iso"
This line:

map /ISO/%MYISO% (0xff)

will then expand to

map /ISO/win7.iso (0xff)

and this line:

write (99) [FiraDisk]\nStartOptions=cdrom,vmem=find:/ISO/%MYISO%;\n\0

will expand to:

write (99) [FiraDisk]\nStartOptions=cdrom,vmem=find:/ISO/win7.iso;\n\0


i have also some experiences and can say that paramters like "map (hd0) (hd1)map (hd1) (hd0)", never ever worked on my project.

if i tried to start iso`s with that. i allways get an error message if i use this paramters in vm.

Sure, unless you have a VM set up as a "real machine" behaves, it makes no sense to exchnage disks (which is needed on most machines if the boot is made through USB and the USB stick/disk becomes hd0)

i think, without changeing this, that it fits to my project, correct syntac and stuff, its not possible for me, to implement that.

As said you need to study a bit the basics, or - temporarily - use the EXACT paths (in this case a folder "ISO" in root and a .iso named "win7.iso", i.e. \ISO\Win7.iso and NOT a folder "WINFira" with in it another folder "Iso" and in it a .iso image "Win7.iso", i.e. /WINFira/Iso/win7.iso )
BTW, grub4dos is CaSe SeNsItIvE on CDFS so you must pay attention to CAPITAL and small letters.
Please also note how the present thread is about your issue with bigger than 4 Gb DVD, and has nothing to do with grub4dos.

The general idea is that you don't have a "personal" thread like "help me with all the problems I have", but rather separate threads, one for each problem, and made in the relevant forum of the board, in this case here:
http://reboot.pro/forum/66/

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Posted 11 April 2012 - 06:45 PM

Hi Wonko,

Come on, it is not rocket science, you need to have some basics if you want to introduce changes/adapt a given solution to your project.
The syntax is EXACTLY the same of DOS/Windows BATCH files (and of a number of common scripting languages).


maybe no rocket science, but its very complex and that makes it difficult.

Sure, unless you have a VM set up as a "real machine" behaves, it makes no sense to exchnage disks (which is needed on most machines if the boot is made through USB and the USB stick/disk becomes hd0)


i often see sample entries with this parameters ( hd0) and can t use them for my project
why you say not just, wich specific paramter wich fit to my project, instead of use this " hd0"?
i replace it with hd 32 no luck, with fd0, also no luck and so on. as long as i don t know, wich is the correct parameter for my project, i can t use all the example with the hd0...


As said you need to study a bit the basics, or - temporarily - use the EXACT paths


sure, but befor i can use the exact paths, i must know, where exactly i have to edit it.
the day has only 24 hours. i can not become on an expert, with everything i use and this is also not necesary for my needs.
for me the thing is this:
that also enduser can use it, winbuilder was createt. so the user can with some luck, create his live-system with a few clicks.
i think that was the goal of the winbuilder creaters, that also the normal enduser can use it and not that everyone must become an expert bevor he can use it.
other examples:

a grafican knows only how to work with photoshop for example. thats enough for him and with this he earns money.
hey don t care how the o.s on his apple computer works in the detail. he also don t have to know it.
what do you think will happens, if you try to enforce this grafican to learn every detail of his operating system and computer, bevor he can work with photoshop? you can imagine how this person will reacting and he is right.

the same with a musican. there is someone, who makes music with his computer. he earns money with it and the only think he knows, is how to use his music-application. he don t want to know every detail of his operating system, he only want to use his music-application to be creative and make good music.

there are 1000 or more similiar example of people who only want to use their computers and software and everything else, is in the first line, not so important for them.
thats the normality in the consumer market. the times were people get enforced to learn everything, bevor they could do her major work, a long over. today no one needs to be a specialist. the only thing this people have to know, is how they can use his applications.

i see me in an similiar situations. i have nothing against learning something, but please not so complex, if i only need a working syntax or stuff.
for this there is no reason to invent the wheel new. its completly enough if i have the correct syntax and stuff and i can go on work on my project. and in the basic is only about the correct syntax that the things are working.
its mostly not more then: only the right syntax, maybe not two spaces but only one. no exclimation marks there, no comma there and so on.
thats all. if you have the right syntax your stuff is running and you are happy.
is not necesary to become an expert for that and honestly, i also don t have the time, to become an expert in each area in wich i am interestet.
i am very advanced with htpc`s and in this area, i think, i am very good;) thats enough for me.
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i know you see the things different Wonko. its your good right and i acpet it.
but there are also other people out there, with other viewpoints and this people are not less. they called enduser or consumer and they are the most amount of all:)
so please also acept my viewpoint. thats only fair.

thank you for your instructions. i try to use them for my project.


best regards
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Edited by livedude, 11 April 2012 - 07:03 PM.


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Posted 11 April 2012 - 07:18 PM

i often see sample entries with this parameters ( hd0) and can t use them for my project
why you say not just, wich specific paramter wich fit to my project, instead of use this " hd0"?
i replace it with hd 32 no luck, with fd0, also no luck and so on. as long as i don t know, wich is the correct parameter for my project, i can t use all the example with the hd0...

Exactly.
You CANNOT use "random" attempts :w00t:.
On the other hand you MUST read and learn the VERY BASICS (know how devices are named is a first step) THEN you need to experiment on command line, and only when you have a result on command line, then you can use a menu.lst entry.
Read the guide:
http://diddy.boot-la...os/Grub4dos.htm
At the VERY LEAST you must get familiar with:
http://diddy.boot-la...iles/syntax.htm
http://diddy.boot-la...iles/basics.htm
http://diddy.boot-la...s/files/cli.htm

It's not at all like re-inventing the wheel, it is very like to pretend to jump from an airplane with a parachute BUT without having first followed a course and WITHOUT a parachute :ph34r: no matter how willing to help you will be other people jumping with you it's not gonna end well :whistling:.....

About this:

sure, but befor i can use the exact paths, i must know, where exactly i have to edit it.

it makes no sense, if you use the EXACT, SAME paths as the example, you don't need to edit anything (and you need not to know how to edit anything), if you want to introduce changes of ANY kind, you need to learn where and how to edit.

You cannot expect that people on the board will be willing to solve all your problems with your builds the way you want them to be (it may happen of course :), but it is unlilkely :dubbio:) and I am pretty sure that everyone will help you more gladly if you show some interest in learning about the tools and the way they should be used, or in other words try helping yourself besides begging for help from others.


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Posted 11 April 2012 - 07:41 PM

for this there is no reason to invent the wheel new.

However, you invent a new wheel currently:
a multi boot DVD at given requirements is a new wheel.

Do you expect others to invent the new wheel for you?

its completly enough if i have the correct syntax

Appearantly nobody has the correct syntax so far. This makes you a developer.


is not necesary to become an expert for that and honestly, i also don t have the time, to become an expert in each area in wich i am interestet.

Another approach: choose a current main stream solution
Current main stream solutions are documented so far.

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Posted 11 April 2012 - 08:40 PM

Hi Wonko and cdob,

this enforceing pepople to learn, wich only need a simple or not so simple syntax, lead to no where.
i tried to explain that with my examples above.

However, you invent a new wheel currently:
a multi boot DVD at given requirements is a new wheel.


no one on the whole world, has ever tried to start an untouced win7.iso from a compilation on dvd?
i am no oracle, but its really difficult for me to beliefe that.
sure anyone has tried it before.
so, no, its no new wheel.

Appearantly nobody has the correct syntax so far. This makes you a developer.


at least it seems so...

Another approach: choose a current main stream solution
Current main stream solutions are documented so far.


sure i want use such a solutions, if it would exist.
but it seems not.
there are wim.boot solution wich needs much ram, or direct boot solution with no multistart-startmenu options. but till now, i found no solution wich combine both projects: in one!: a win7 wich boot in to ram and an win7 wich is booting directly not needing so much ram.

so the currently existing mainstream solutions, are insufficient for me and i don t think that i am the only one, who has the wish for an win7 live system wich need not much ram to run and a bootwim, wich needs much ram but its faster combined in one project. i don t think that i am the only one with this logical (i have explained why) wish.
this is the reason, becouse i am, wich is normaly an enduser, has to become a developer.
but is this then the fault of me?

it makes no sense, if you use the EXACT, SAME paths as the example, you don't need to edit anything (and you need not to know how to edit anything), if you want to introduce changes of ANY kind, you need to learn where and how to edit.


no, i don t think that i must see the full picture if i only need a small detail from something.
i tried to explain this with my giving examples.
i am not suprised that some people not convinced from the examples, as dr. house said: people don t change:)

You cannot expect that people on the board will be willing to solve all your problems with your builds (...)


stop, stop, thats alreday to much;) i never expectet anything. everything is voluntary and can t be enforced.
but this valid for both sides of the story...
i can t understund why some people accuse me, that i would exept, or demand or whatver.
i never did that and also permantly repeats, make this wrong interpretation correct.

other words try helping yourself besides begging for help from others.


with other words: help yourself then god also helps you:) somewhere i have already heard that-.
and no, am not begging. i asked if anyone can help me on a voluntary base. and i also said, if not, i can also life with it.
thats not begging.

well done, the major problem is solved. thanks again for that.
the other problem is atm propably not (but i try it with the instuctions) solveable for me. i have explained why.
but i keep on it and with the time, maybe i find a working solution.

it is also right, that this is a other problem and has nothing to do with the term, this thread was createt.
so the main problem is solved and this thread can be closed and i hope that it helps many people with the same problem.


best regards
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Edited by livedude, 11 April 2012 - 09:02 PM.


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Posted 11 April 2012 - 09:47 PM

no one on the whole world, has ever tried to start an untouced win7.iso from a compilation on dvd?

Yes, I think so.

i am no oracle, but its really difficult for me to beliefe that.

Well, we can't deny one or the other.
Apperantly not a active member has reported so far.


but till now, i found no solution wich combine both projects: in one!: a win7 wich boot in to ram and an win7 wich is booting directly not needing so much ram.

You have to clarify: Win7 PE booting is different to Win7 installation.

A Win7PE_SE wim boot and flat file DVD should be simple.
Diffculties arise, if you add a default Windows 7 installation at flat files.
Do you like to add Windows 7 installation from a flat file DVD?
Yes, a Windows 7 installation ISO file would be nice that way.

Contrary you may install windows 7 from the booted Win7PE_SE.
Add a default Windows 7 installation ISO file.
Boont Win7PE_SE. Mount the ISO image and run setup.exe. Similar approaches has been reported in the past here.

so the currently existing mainstream solutions, are insufficient for me and i don t think that i am the only one, who has the wish for an win7 live system wich need not much ram to run and a bootwim, wich needs much ram but its faster combined in one project. i don t think that i am the only one with this logical (i have explained why) wish.

Two PE should be possible.

this is the reason, becouse i am, wich is normaly an enduser, has to become a developer.

Yes, that it.
However at a deveolper you can't expect existing tested solutions.
We are here to answer questions as for small steps.

What about: combine flat file PE and RAM load PE next?

i don t think that i must see the full picture if i only need a small detail from something.

A windows installer behaves different at optical media and USB storage media.
There are different requirements. You can't expect a USB storage solution to work at a optical media.
Some back ground knowledge is required.

This command writes to USB flash: dd if=()/firadisk/au.xml of=()/AutoUnattend.xml
It's rather difficult to write to a DVD at grub4dos level.

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Posted 11 April 2012 - 11:11 PM

Thank you cdob,
i am allways open for sugestions!

i think you have understood me a liitle bit wrong. but iam glad that anyone can understund me at all, becouse my bad english:) so plese let me explain:
you said, why not use a mainstream project. i correlated that on the whole project and not only on the yet not implementet feature with the win7 installation.

maybe i am wrong, but what i found till now was that:
fanatstic wimboots projects, with bootmanager and multiboot stuff.
but they all have had the big disadvantage, that you need a machine with much ram that you can use it.
on the other side, there were single boot projects on wich windows loads directy and not first into ram. they run from the life medium in realtime or something i think. this solutions have had not possibilities for multiboot, but need less ram!
you can t select grub4dos as bootmanager, you must select as bootmanager "standard", if you want to build such a project with winbuilder.
so far i have understund that till now is, that there are two or more different project:
windows-ramboot and windows direct boot.
the goal for me was, to create a live-system wich will run on machine with much ram and also on machines with less ram.
i think thats an understandable wish.
so i was looking for an project, that combines the two spoken methods in one project.
but there was no finish solution for that, at least i don t found one.
so i createt my own project and modified some scripts (as good as i can with my less knowelgde).
this thing with implement an windows7 installation is once more a other building side on wich makes things not easier...
so what i meand was that there is no known mainstream solution for me, wich has this two method in one project.

so far i have reached my goal and i have an poject now, with combines both windows-load method in once.
it was a long road for me to reach this point and it was not easy.

What about: combine flat file PE and RAM load PE next?


if you mean with this, what i wrote above (bot.wim and direct boot in one project), then i have already did that.
but there are maybe more elegant ways, to reach this goal.
therefore like i said, i am allways open for constructive sugestions.

best regards
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Edited by livedude, 11 April 2012 - 11:17 PM.


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Posted 12 April 2012 - 07:34 AM

the goal for me was, to create a live-system wich will run on machine with much ram and also on machines with less ram.
i think thats an understandable wish.

Have you ever tested a win7pe_se on a machine with lower ram? I mean: what is "less ram" for you? How old are your systems?
I also use win7pe_se for rescue purpose and my project runs on systems with 256MB ram (and btw all of these systems can boot from usb)

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Posted 12 April 2012 - 12:57 PM

Have you ever tested a win7pe_se on a machine with lower ram?



sure! therefore i have virtualbox. maybe you know that you can also set the amount of ram in virtualbox...


I mean: what is "less ram" for you?


less rams means for me that the project should run at a minimum of ram of 256mb. you see it als in my menu sample...


I also use win7pe_se for rescue purpose and my project runs on systems with 256MB


as boot.wim? with integratet mmc and .net? also a win7 that you can also recognize as win7, or is it so reduced that nothing is left what makes win7 to win7. if this is the case, then this is no alternative for me and if you mean a direct boot win7_pe_se then its also no big suprise.

and btw all of these systems can boot from usb


uhm, its hard for me to keep cool down, becouse i see your post more as offence then as help.
it seems you have no idea from what you are talking about depending on hardware. i have seen a large range of systems, also newer ones, wich were not be able to boot from usb! also my older nootebook can t boot from usb. many older and newer desktop were also not able to boot from usb. it seems you should make some tests in the filed with different machines, bevor you know from what you are talking about.
i have this field practice. over the years i saw many different older and newer computer wich were not able to boot from usb.
this is a known fact and it makes no sense to question knwon facts.

best regards
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Edited by livedude, 12 April 2012 - 01:01 PM.


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Posted 12 April 2012 - 01:54 PM

it seems you have no idea from what you are talking about depending on hardware. i have seen a large range of systems, also newer ones, wich were not be able to boot from usb! also my older nootebook can t boot from usb. many older and newer desktop were also not able to boot from usb. it seems you should make some tests in the filed with different machines, bevor you know from what you are talking about.
i have this field practice. over the years i saw many different older and newer computer wich were not able to boot from usb.
this is a known fact and it makes no sense to question knwon facts.

if you think so ;)
my job is to repair computer and I have over 15 years of experience in my job... I don't know how many pcs are going through my hands in a year but for nearly 5 years I only use an usb stick to start my WinPEs (and other diagnostic software, bios updates etc), so I think I know what I'm talking about ;)

sure! therefore i have virtualbox. maybe you know that you can also set the amount of ram in virtualbox...

I prefer testing on real machines because the behaviour is sometimes different from that in VMs

also a win7 that you can also recognize as win7, or is it so reduced that nothing is left what makes win7 to win7

you know, a PE is not an alternative for a real win7. If you go through all the projects the goal is never to have a real alternative for a win7 but to have the possibility to repair or work on a non working system (or to test a system without an operating system on it).

But enough for that. Have fun with your project, perhaps you'll get it right

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Posted 12 April 2012 - 02:49 PM

my job is to repair computer and I have over 15 years of experience in my job...


i have often the same job;)
i work with computers and different hardware since over 20 years.
i am grown up with this stuff;)
i build everything my self. i have experiences with old and new hardware, cpu `s and chipsets.
this is no offence against you, but i see very, very often, vendors. sellers and all the so called proffesionals, wich have not the breeze of minimum competence with hardware. they know nothing. if you ask them, about spec and the behavior of hardware in the filed.
first last i have had such a case. the vendors was not able to answer me, if the new amd 6000er serie gpu, wich is build in the cpu, is now able to play the new hd-audioformats like truehd/dts-hd. they just don t now it.
becouse such (and many others) incomptentence reason, i don t give much about these so called professionals.
there are many people in the private area, wich have more competence and knoweldge then this people.
but like i said, thats no offense against you, this is only my own experience with such people.
and btw: the new 6000er series of the amd gpu (integratet in the cpu), can of course play the new hd.audioformats. maybe this is important for someone:)


I don't know how many pcs are going through my hands in a year but for nearly 5 years I only use an usb stick to start my WinPEs


i have had over the yeary many system wich were not able to boot from usb. i have had for example: amd sockel a, amd sockel am2 and am2+ and also lots of pentium4 computers wich weren t able to boot from usb. and even now i have an old centrino notebook wich is also not able to boot from usb. i know from what i am talking about. i have not so much experiences with wibuilder, thats might be correct, but with hardware i have long experience.
i know what i`ve seen and if i say that many computers can t boot from usb then this is so.
and its also no new cognition, its a fact and i am sure, many people with the same hardware-experiences then i have, can ratify that.


I prefer testing on real machines because the behaviour is sometimes different from that in VMs


yes sure, but not the ram comsumption. if something can t run with 256mb in virtualbox, then my experiences showed, that it will also not run on real machine with only 256mb. in this point testing it in an vm, is enough to verify that.. that there are generell differences between vm`s and real machines, is also not a big secret...


you know, a PE is not an alternative for a real win7.


of course, but for me is important that i have the most important elements wich also a real win7 has in my pe project. not everything, but the most important elements. and maybe i have a other view wich are the most important elements then you. different people, different needs and different viewpoints, you know?...


have the possibility to repair or work on a non working system (or to test a system without an operating system on it).


also for this tasks (and also many others), i use a live-system, too..



But enough for that. Have fun with your project, perhaps you'll get it right


thank you!
i have till now excelled my expectations (on creatings such an project). thanks to the whole wibuilder team! and i think, with the time, i can also solve the one or other problem, wich is still not optimal yet.


best regards
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Edited by livedude, 12 April 2012 - 03:34 PM.


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Posted 12 April 2012 - 04:31 PM

but there are maybe more elegant ways, to reach this goal.
therefore like i said, i am allways open for constructive sugestions.

Maybe less elegant, but maybe more reliable in the end.

At a given main task:
a reliable boot DVD at several unkown DVD drives

I would use another approach:
single layer Windows XP, 7, PE DVD
main stream bootloader: bootmgr (avoid seldom used third party tools if possible)
different boot entries added to \boot\bcd
XP install and 7 install as flat files added (main stream, there are long years experience, avoid seldom used third party tools if possible)
Add PE RAM load and flat file PE
File system: ISO9660:1999

Next single layer DVD:
other maintenance parts,
bootloader grub4dos
File system: ISO9660:1999 and rock ridge extension


Another approach: build a dual layer DVD just as fun.

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Posted 12 April 2012 - 05:42 PM

Thank you for sugstions, cdob!
sounds not bad.
i think about it.

Greetings
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Posted 13 April 2012 - 10:24 PM

update:

its not the term of this thread, but while searching to implement the win-installation feature, i have found something great.
i don t know if its important for someone, but maybe it is. there for i poste the informations here.

i found propably the easiest possible way, to create an win7-aio-dvd. that means all win7 x86 and x64 versions are on one dvd/iso with about 4.3gb.
thats saves space.

look here:http://www.techsprea...4-auf-einer-dvd

becouse the instructions are german, i translate the most important part:

install waik. create on a drive folder. inside this folder, you create two other folders: "x86" and "x64".
in x86 you copy the content of the win7 32 bit installation-dvd/iso and in the folder x64 you do the same with the win7-64-bit-installation-dvd/iso.
after you did that, you just download the "Winodws Aio Batchfile from the link, copy it in the mainfolder (look at the picture) and execute it.
the rest goes fullautomatic:)
nice work from the autor. i hope it helps someone!

best regards
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Posted 13 April 2012 - 10:53 PM

Did you try it ?
Good trick :)

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Posted 13 April 2012 - 11:44 PM

Hey ChrisR;)

yes, i tried it and it seems to work great. i could boot the createt iso and saw the win-choice: all version from x64 and x86.
but i haven t tried to install something yet. but very propably it also works;)

but unfortunately i found the next problem;(

mkisofs seems to ignore single files wich are bigger then 2gb: file is to large - ignoring
so i can t implement my createt win-aio.iso, wich is about 4.3gb big, to my project;/
its has also something to do with the iso file system, maybe.
sure, maybe you can overide mkisofs some how, but i have no idea and also if i should no the right syantx, then i must implement it in the "create-iso" script, wich i use to create my project.
but i don t give up the hope that this is somehwo solveable.

Greetings
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Posted 14 April 2012 - 06:13 AM

mkisofs seems to ignore single files wich are bigger then 2gb: file is to large

Help, not again the same story.

Use the updated version from Win7PE_SE. This is resolved.
Or use a current version.

Which files size matches install.wim now?

but i have no idea and also if i should no the right syantx

script, wich i use to create my project.

At WinBulilder press Log, Save as log.html.
Extract %BaseDir% at header section. And extract ShellExecute lines.
Run mkisofs at command line. Read full output. Post messages.

Be aware: a x64 repair installation won't work anymore.

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Posted 14 April 2012 - 12:56 PM

Hey cdob,
no i think its not exact the same story.
i found this from ChrisR in the other thread:
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The version here http://fy.chalmers.s...RW/tools/win32/
Works with files up to 4 GB and Default windows installation ISO files are below 4 GB (even win8 cp).
http://reboot.pro/16612/#entry151505
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so this seems the reason why it is not working.
the problem seems not to be files over 2gb this time but files over 4gb.
so the problem is again mkisofs and there is no way for me to fix it.
maybe i have to find a other way. whatever, this aio-thing, is great and you never know if you need it somehow, someday:)

Be aware: a x64 repair installation won't work anymore.


repair installation unfortunately dosn t work at all with win7. you can only correct start problems.
this was maybe a little advantage from windows xP. repair/recover installation was possible to repair, save your windows.
win7 has something related, but long not so good like windows-xp and your win7 must also be able to boot for that.
so its not the same like under windows xp. but you can t have everything:)

best regards
livedude

Edited by livedude, 14 April 2012 - 01:06 PM.


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Posted 14 April 2012 - 01:13 PM

the problem seems not to be files over 2gb this time but files over 4gb.

Which big files do you add?

A default x86 and x64 install.wim is about 3.4GB.
Add flat files to DVD.

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Posted 14 April 2012 - 01:17 PM

Which big files do you add?

I think he refers to this post : http://reboot.pro/16..._25#entry152434
the 4.3GB iso

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Posted 14 April 2012 - 01:33 PM

yes, patch is right. i tried to implement the createt aio-iso wich is about 4.3gb big.
it was a very attractive thought, to have also the posibility in my project for a win7-installation.
the big adavantgae of this iso is, that you have all windows7-versions in one file. otherwiese i you need an iso of the win7-32 and the win7-64-dvd, wich needs much more space then this createt aio with everything.
therefore i tried to implement this createt win-7aio, to my compilation to play araound with it.
so i found this spoken mkisofs-error.
but like i said: it was only a very attractive thought to have that feature in my project.
if its not possible then i can also life with it.
but mkisofs is in my eyes and i try to formulate it gently, not the best programm for the case it is used.
it seems to have many aspects wich makes it insufficient.
but this is only my personal opinion, based on the expierineces i have till now with mkisofs.

best regards
livedude

Edited by livedude, 14 April 2012 - 01:35 PM.


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Posted 15 April 2012 - 03:25 AM

update2:
i`ve found a workaround for the spoken problem: i use "image burn" (great freeware tool) now for the iso creation.
works nice.
it seems not have the same restrcitions then mkisofs.

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Edited by livedude, 15 April 2012 - 03:28 AM.


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Posted 15 April 2012 - 09:14 AM

yes, patch is right. i tried to implement the createt aio-iso wich is about 4.3gb big.
it was a very attractive thought, to have also the posibility in my project for a win7-installation.

so i found this spoken mkisofs-error.

Use a current mkisofs, big files are supported since several years.

i use "image burn" (great freeware tool) now for the iso creation.
works nice.

Yes, imgburn is nice. I asked the author to include big ISO9660 files.

Sort files too. http://forum.imgburn...showtopic=14655

it seems not have the same restrcitions then mkisofs.

Yes, there are other restrictions.
There is no rock ridge extension. This causes limitations at a multi OS DVD.

Which file systems do you use?

Be aware: you are at untested ground.
Does grub4dos support big ISO files?

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Posted 15 April 2012 - 03:27 PM

Hi cdob,

Use a current mkisofs, big files are supported since several years.



just tried it. its not possible. if i donwload the newst version of mkisofs and copy it to the correct folder, iso creation (create iso script), won t work. i get strange error messages or nothing goes at all. this was also my first thought, also in the past, if i have had the first problem with mkisofs. no way.


Yes, imgburn is nice. I asked the author to include big ISO9660 files.


it is indeed. i use it now for a long time, but only for standard operations. i didn t know how powerfull and flexible this tool really is.
yesterday, was was looking for alternatives for mkisofs. so i tooked a deeper look into imgburn and found out, that is also possible to create bootable iso`s from dirs. i read some guides and after some tests, it worked nice for me.

Yes, there are other restrictions.


maybe, but it seems you can override the most restrictions (it has options for that) :)


This causes limitations at a multi OS DVD


i createt a multi-o.s/multiboot iso./dvd with it. seems to work.

Which file systems do you use?


it seems it uses iso-something and udf.
if you think it helps people and they are interestet, i can write a detailed guide (in an new thread) for useing imgburn as mkisofs alternative with screenshots.
but i don t know if this is wantet.

Be aware: you are at untested ground.

yes, i think i move over file system restrcitions and stuff. as long as the results work, i have no problem with that:)

Does grub4dos support big ISO files?


grub4dos seems not to have a problem with that. its not mkisofs;)

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after i have reached my goal and sucesfull implementet my createt win-aio.iso , wich is about 4.3gb big to my project (with imgburn not mkisofs of course), i faced again the problem, to start an win7-installation.
therefore i re-read some answers people gave me for this case.
i re-read also the answers of Wonko in this thread: http://reboot.pro/16..._25#entry152241
and suddenly i began to understund ( at least i hope so), what means this encoding stuff.
this enocding are also relatives path and names something like a placeholder, you use it as replacments for full path.
so i followed his guide till i found something, he hasn t explained correct:
here is the example we talked about:
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title 1 INSTALL Windows 7 32-bitnThis will install any edition of Windows 32-bit to your hard disk
debug off
set MYISO=win7.iso
dd if=()/firadisk/au.xml of=()/AutoUnattend.xml
map --mem (md)0x800+4 (99)
map /ISO/%MYISO% (0xff)
map (hd0) (hd1)
map (hd1) (hd0)
map --hook
write (99) [FiraDisk]nStartOptions=cdrom,vmem=find:/ISO/%MYISO%;n0
chainloader (0xff)/BOOTMGR || chainloader (0xff)
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Hey Wonko, i did that what you recomendet:
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As said you need to study a bit the basics, or - temporarily - use the EXACT paths (in this case a folder "ISO" in root and a .iso named "win7.iso", i.e. ISOWin7.iso and NOT a folder "WINFira" with in it another folder "Iso" and in it a .iso image "Win7.iso", i.e. /WINFira/Iso/win7.iso )
BTW, grub4dos is CaSe SeNsItIvE on CDFS so you must pay attention to CAPITAL and small letters.
Please also note how the present thread is about your issue with bigger than 4 Gb DVD, and has nothing to do with grub4dos


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but then, i get an error with this:
dd if=()/firadisk/au.xml of=()/AutoUnattend.xml
file not found.
so i tried to change the path, also no luck.
if you coincidental should read this, can you please give me also detailed instrcutions for this line, to implement it in my project? ;):
dd if=()/firadisk/au.xml of=()/AutoUnattend.xml
at this point i am hanging atm.
sure, i will so or so find a way, becouse it seems that i am a survivor, if i think on all the workarounds i found on my own now:)
but maybe you can help, if not, is also not bad. but thx in advance:)


best regards
livedude

Edited by livedude, 15 April 2012 - 03:48 PM.





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