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#26 Wonko the Sane

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Posted 26 March 2012 - 05:02 PM

Maybe a question for our g4d experts. Can G4D make use of BIOS modules?

Yes. :smiling9:
http://homepage.ntlw...no-answers.html
Check the BIOS module:
http://www.rmprepusb...rials/grubutils

It is very strange how your experience with PLoP is so dramatically different from anyone else's though.
Maybe you tested a very old release as I find difficult to believe that you have *all* crap hardware. :unsure:

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Posted 26 March 2012 - 06:08 PM

On which media does it give an advantage?

There is a advance at all media with measurable access time: CD, DVD, USB flash, USB hard disk.

Keep file reading at BIOS level as small as possible: some mb data.
Load and initialize windows drivers. Use big reading with windows drivers.

Should work at RAM disk too. Load a small image to RAM, load and initialize windows drivers.
Next load a big image file to RAM. Switch to this RAM disk.
No, I don't have a working example.

maanu listed a similar example: http://reboot.pro/12...post__p__150959

1st only native windows files (8-10 MB IMG file) compressed to 4MB cab image , will be loaded . / then other files (which we will pack into WIM file ) , will be mounted using Native.exe file , (which chinese developed ) on the fly .



#28 MedEvil

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Posted 26 March 2012 - 07:02 PM

It is very strange how your experience with PLoP is so dramatically different from anyone else's though.

Yep, that puzzles me too.

Maybe you tested a very old release as I find difficult to believe that you have *all* crap hardware. :unsure:

Not just me, but everyone, who i got my hands on. ;)
The version was 5.something.

I tested on (not counting duplicates):
- Intel MB with USB 1.1
- Intel MB with USB 2.0
- VIA MB with USB 1.1
- USB 2.0 expansion card on VIA MB with USB 1.1.
- VIA MB with USB 2.0
- nForce MB with USB 1.1
- USB 2.0 expansion card on nForce MB with USB 1.1

All in all, 4 different Intel chipsets, 4 different VIA chipsets and 1 nForce chipset.
After that, i didn't bother testing it on Laptops too.

btw. Had a nice trip down memory lane. Ramloaded, cabed, NTFS compressed HDD images.
Where that wild times! :lol:

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#29 MedEvil

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Posted 26 March 2012 - 07:07 PM

There is a advance at all media with measurable access time: CD, DVD, USB flash, USB hard disk.

Sounds great. Will check how much difference it makes.


Should work at RAM disk too. Load a small image to RAM, load and initialize windows drivers.
Next load a big image file to RAM. Switch to this RAM disk.
No, I don't have a working example.

maanu listed a similar example

Thanks for the tip.

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#30 MedEvil

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Posted 26 March 2012 - 08:04 PM

@jaclaz
I think i might was not clear enough about, what i meant by 'using BIOS modules'.
Award - and i think AMI BIOS too, are modular. One can easily plug together a BIOS, with all the features one likes. Given the ROM chip is big enough, to hold all the modules.

My idea was now, to get a USB 2.0 boot module, which supports the full speed and put it as a addon into g4d, to get a Plop like effect, only with better performance.


Question: I think to remeber, that a long, long time ago, in a galyxy far, far away, there were BIOS modules/extensions that were loaded upon boot from HDD or Floppy into memory, not into the BIOS chip.
Does anyone remeber those and do we have something like this still today?

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#31 Wonko the Sane

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Posted 27 March 2012 - 05:40 PM

Question: I think to remeber, that a long, long time ago, in a galyxy far, far away, there were BIOS modules/extensions that were loaded upon boot from HDD or Floppy into memory, not into the BIOS chip.
Does anyone remeber those and do we have something like this still today?

Yes. (if I get right the question)

PLoP is AFAICU exactly one of them.

More generally the rom-o-matic:
http://rom-o-matic.net/
http://rom-o-matic.n...ib/rom-o-matic/
generates a PXE/Etherboot image that behave as a BIOS extension:
http://etherboot.org/wiki/index.php

and the same can be loaded to the network card:
http://etherboot.org/wiki/romburning

Unrelated, but not much:
http://www.fitzenrei...ata/ata_eng.htm

But I guess you were thinking of this:
http://rayer.ic.cz/romos/romose.htm

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#32 JnPson

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Posted 30 April 2012 - 10:44 PM

I'm new here and this might not be the right topicto post this in, but I need help using winbuilder.
I have an Asus Eee 900 MiniPC with a ssd drive that is broken. I want to use winbuilder to boot from a usb-flash drive. I have suceeded making LiveXP, but without sound. I've learned that NaughtyPE comes with sound, but when I run it from the flash drive I get a BSOD. I have found out that LiveXP starts as RAMDrive and NaughtyPE boots like windows XP. I need to get NaughtyPE to boot as RAMDrive. that is the only way I can get the asus mini pc up and running. Mostly because I want to use it as a media pc, to play movies and music.
I'd be grateful for any help and any suggestion on how to change the scripts.

#33 MedEvil

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Posted 30 April 2012 - 11:18 PM

As far as i know, LiveXp has caught up to NaughtyPE already a few years ago sound wise.
But both PE need you to supply the needed audio drivers, they don't come with them preinstalled.

You can check the NaughtyPE topic (link in my signature) to learn, how to add own drivers to NaughtyPE and LiveXP as well.

To create a ramboot with NaughtyPE you will need to select the BootSDI script instead of the create ISO script.
Unfortunately, NaughtyPE ramboot technique is a bit outdated and still requires, that you supply ramdisk.sys and setupldr.bin from Win2k3SP1.
If you don't have those files available, it will probably be easier to achive your goal, these days, with LiveXP.

And please watch out to use the appropriate Winbuilder version for each project. Both are inactive for some time and do not work with the latest Winbuilder version. Appropriate versions of Winbuilder are included in both projects.

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