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#26 MedEvil

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Posted 12 November 2011 - 11:58 PM

I don't have Win7 installed. I have XP installed.

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Posted 13 November 2011 - 04:22 AM

Copy Win8.vhd to your XP system drive, and proceed with p. 3 and 4 of this, and p. 6 (just add store parameter) of that Tutorial to add Win8 boot environment and menu to your XP system drive. Your Win8 VHD should boot natively after that. You may want to backup your system drive first with your favorite Backup tool.

After you are done with testing the VHD, you may restore Win XP boot environment with EasyBCD or WinXP Recovery CD, despite Win8 Boot environment should work just fine with XP. You can also add Win7.vhd to your XP drive - it will boot fine with Win8 bootmanager and BCD, just add its entry to the host drive's boot menu.

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Posted 13 November 2011 - 04:04 PM

Copy Win8.vhd to your XP system drive,

:confused1: Copy it from where? I can't install Win7 to a vhd in a safe way, remember?

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Posted 13 November 2011 - 04:41 PM

You can install Win 8 from an Installation DVD you burned or the downloaded ISO to a VHD file. Nothing tragic will happen with your system drive, if you do that. Or, you can physically disconnect your system drive, connect an external HD, and create the VHD on it, then proceed with installing Win 8. That way your Win XP drive will remain untouched. Then you'd need to add boot environment to the VHD itself, and try booting it with Grub4DOS. At this time empty USB drive usage is not tested for VHD scenario. However, its easy to add Grub4DOS to your host Win XP drive - it will make no harm. :)

My impression is, your self-imposed constrains are artificial and make limited sense. :dubbio:

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Posted 13 November 2011 - 07:19 PM

My selfimposed rule is: "Never touch a running system."

It has served me well in the past. For about 20 years, i hadn't even once needed to reinstall an OS to one of my coputers, because it was lagging during boot or showed some other kind of misbehaviour.

When i compare this to the rest of the world, which eighter reinstalls their OS, once or twice a year or just lives with the lagging annoying OS, i don't see my rule making limited sense.

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Posted 13 November 2011 - 07:45 PM

I added Grub4DOS to every system in use. Guess what - nothing bad happen. :)

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Posted 13 November 2011 - 08:26 PM

Maybe this is useful (should Medevil have a spare USB disk for this :unsure:):
http://www.markwilso...l-usb-drive.htm

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#33 MedEvil

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Posted 13 November 2011 - 09:32 PM

Unfortunately i have no spare HDD, USB or otherwise at the moment.
The best i could do is, empty a USB-Stick, but non has the 16GB min. size, required for Win8 install.

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Posted 13 November 2011 - 10:07 PM

i might work, if one has a 64bit CPU, but why would one use a 32bit Host OS, if the computer has a 64bit CPU?

A 32bit Host XP is common at a 64bit CPU nowadays.

Which CPU do you use?

VMware Player 4 does mount a existing VHD file.
Windows 8 installation to this VHD file does work.

A 64bit CPU is required, Host can be a 32bit XP.

#35 sambul61

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Posted 13 November 2011 - 10:28 PM

I guess you mean, once Win 8 is installed inside VMWare player, it can be booted from inside it as well to test Win 8 against all odds. :)

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Posted 13 November 2011 - 10:41 PM

I guess you mean, once Win 8 is installed inside VMWare player, it can be booted from inside it as well to test Win 8 against all odds.

I understand, that's the OP request: use Win8 inside a VM.

#37 MedEvil

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Posted 13 November 2011 - 10:57 PM

My Winbuilder Computer runs XP (32bit) on a Celeron D 3,2GHz (32bit).

Like previously said, i could starting to backup partitions, buy a new HDD and swap it out against the old one or while i'm on it, buy a new PC just for testing Win8.

But that's not worth it to me!!!

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Posted 13 November 2011 - 11:01 PM

Lucky you! :)

Some "reknown" board experts managed to get by with Commodores. Basically, it still allows to find old links to show nothing discussed on this board is ever new - just gross plagiat of old tasty goodies. This way one doesn't need to test new tools, systems or create anything of his own to play an expert - just claim instead, someone else's creation is fake. :good:

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Posted 14 November 2011 - 12:02 AM

My Winbuilder Computer runs XP (32bit) on a Celeron D 3,2GHz (32bit).

Like previously said, i could starting to backup partitions, buy a new HDD and swap it out against the old one or while i'm on it, buy a new PC just for testing Win8.

But that's not worth it to me!!!

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So then you don't have to worry about Windows 8 regardless of media installed to or even virtual vs physical, since you don't have hardware that meets Windows 8 requirement.

#40 MedEvil

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Posted 14 November 2011 - 12:36 AM

Nope joakim, as i said somewhere above, Win8PE runs fine natively on that machine.

The unforseen problem, at least for me, is that the VM have higher hardware requirements to run Win8 as guest, than Win8 itself has. ie. 64bit CPU Which i find weird. But that's just me. ;)

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Posted 14 November 2011 - 06:00 AM

Does motherboard support a Core2Duo cpu?

Win8PE runs fine natively on that machine.

At some machine I get a BSOD HAL initialization error booting Win8 DVD.
However 'imagex /apply install.wim' does work. Win8 installation does finish.

Give it a hit or miss. Run existing VM.
Boot XP to Win7 and apply Win8 install.wim to virtual hard disk.

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Posted 14 November 2011 - 06:18 AM

MedEvil

Install Windows 8 Developer Preview on VirtualBox 4.1

VirtualBox 4.1.6 for Windows hosts x86/amd64

Try also light edition of Win 8 for older PCs - it runs fine with full functionality.

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Posted 14 November 2011 - 06:29 AM

Nope joakim, as i said somewhere above, Win8PE runs fine natively on that machine.

The unforseen problem, at least for me, is that the VM have higher hardware requirements to run Win8 as guest, than Win8 itself has. ie. 64bit CPU Which i find weird. But that's just me. ;)

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Can you very the build number that you successfully booted physically on that machine?

#44 MedEvil

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Posted 14 November 2011 - 04:35 PM

@joakim
Version is 6.2.8102

@sambul61
I read not one, but 3 of those VirtualBox tutorials, in the hope, that one would hold the secret ingredient, to getting it to work. All listed surprisingly ;) the same.

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#45 MedEvil

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Posted 14 November 2011 - 04:38 PM

Does motherboard support a Core2Duo cpu?

Don't know. Why?

Give it a hit or miss. Run existing VM.
Boot XP to Win7 and apply Win8 install.wim to virtual hard disk.

Don't quite get that. Could you explain in more detail?

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Posted 14 November 2011 - 06:43 PM

Don't know. Why?

Insert a 64 bit CPU? A faster CPU by less power usage, hopefully less fan speed and less noise.

Could you explain in more detail?

What's current conditions?
Can you boot a Win7PE at VM? Can you include imagex.exe to this PE?
Can you read a Win8 DVD inside running VM?

#47 MedEvil

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Posted 14 November 2011 - 08:22 PM

What's current conditions?
Can you boot a Win7PE at VM? Can you include imagex.exe to this PE?
Can you read a Win8 DVD inside running VM?

Yep can boot a Win7PE in a VM and could inlcude imagex into that. Reading the Win8DVD is also no problem.

And now?

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#48 sambul61

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Posted 14 November 2011 - 08:52 PM

Assuming, your attached drive inside VM has a guest OS already. Now create VHD in Win7PE command prompt (it will be created on virtual disk attached to your VM), attach, initialize, create and format partition on that VHD, and use imagex to apply win8.wim to that VHD. Then copy the Win8 VHD file to a physical HD attached to your VM, exit the VM, attach the Win8 VHD to the VM and boot inside it. :)

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Posted 14 November 2011 - 09:59 PM

Yep can boot a Win7PE in a VM and could inlcude imagex into that. Reading the Win8DVD is also no problem.

Example:
C: virtual disk; paritioned, active and NTFS formated
D: Win8 DVD

imagex.exe /apply D:\sources\install.wim 1 C:\

cd /d X:\Windows\System32

bcdboot.exe C:\windows /s C: /v

copy d:\bootmgr c:\


Another approach:
Prepare a 8GB USB stick that way. Reboot to USB stick next.
Windows 8 footprint is about 6GB, excluded hiberfil.sys.

#50 MedEvil

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Posted 14 November 2011 - 11:06 PM

I think, i may miss the point.
Won't Win8 run setup on first run? Imagex just copies the files , it doesn't set Win8 up, doesn't it?

@cdob
Could Win8 be directly installed to a 8GB USB Stick or just by imagex?

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