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A Strange Interesting project based on RAMDisk (plese reveal the Mistery)

Started by mike05 , Aug 18 2011 04:19 AM

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#1 mike05

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Posted 18 August 2011 - 04:19 AM

Hello Friends;

I have found a iso build that uses, I believe win2k3 boot file and xp boot file, and it uses ezb, Bartpe, syslinux, PE-Commander,, RamDisksys......RamDrive.sys

Its compressed iso 27MB with tiny minixp. I have uploaded that on media fire.

Please reveal the mistery behind it. Mr. shiri Zaban writes the tutorial if this gets him interested.

http://www.mediafire.com/?9u8a76r1p7idd41


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Posted 18 August 2011 - 04:48 AM

--- EDITED ---

WinPE.IS_ is a compressed file. Compressed by Microsoft Cabinet Tool. (cabarc or makecab, I don't know)

Try extract from the ISO the file WinPE.IS_

Type on CMD
expand WinPE.IS_ WinPE.ISOYou now have WinPE.ISO [Size: 40,6 MB (42.651.648 bytes)].

Open it or uncompress...

File Contents:
Spoiler


How does the boot?, still don't know. But the files listed, give us an idea that was what was included in creating of this build with BartPE Builder.

Edited by u2o, 18 August 2011 - 05:04 AM.

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Posted 18 August 2011 - 07:05 AM

Boot from what? Hard Disk or USB HDD or USB Flash or all?

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Posted 18 August 2011 - 07:26 AM

Hi Steve;

either CD or USB could be created this build is CD iso.
Please guys reveal the mistery and write tutorial about it. This could be very usefull and handy to create that kind of project fast booting fast loading, compressed .

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Posted 18 August 2011 - 07:51 AM

Well, it does sound very like WAREZ :ph34r: and VERY UNLIKE "news". :whistling:

Ramdisk booting from .is_ compressed .iso:

http://www.911cd.net...showtopic=19737

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Posted 18 August 2011 - 07:59 AM

Its not warez its a software from (www.top-password.com) and same build from (www.windows-keyfinder.com )

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Posted 18 August 2011 - 09:53 AM

Its not warez its a software from (www.top-password.com) and same build from (www.windows-keyfinder.com )



hehhehee , i love it. innocence at its best.

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Posted 18 August 2011 - 10:49 AM

What not all is called warez these days.

Have a look here, what is and isn'r warez. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warez

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Posted 18 August 2011 - 10:52 AM

Its not warez its a software from (www.top-password.com) and same build from (www.windows-keyfinder.com )


Sure, do you have the permission from MS to re-distribute their non-redistributable files?

If yes :dubbio:, then it's OK.

If you have it NOT it it is WAREZ (in the sense of non-authorized redistribution of non-redistributable software).


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Posted 19 August 2011 - 12:09 AM

Hello Wonko;
I'm not trying to redistribute the software. I'm trying to learn about that kind of build. Its free trial demo version build by many companies
and all of them use the same concept. I extract the iso file and learned that, win2k3 boot files are used to build first boot, then winxp boot file are used to build the second boot which contains the files, I believe EZB is used to build the first boot process, BartPe is used to build the project, PE Commander is used to edit or as command interpreter. Its a compressed 27MB iso based on RAMDisk. Just wanna to have idea and learn to build that kind of tiny build with free utilities. It boots fast , loads fast, and work all win ver and machine, they were very care ful windows HAL, Anyways if some can explore and navigate to that build and write a little tutorial, so we all can learn new things.
Mr. wonko again its not about redistributing, its about learning.

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Posted 19 August 2011 - 03:17 AM

Please reveal the mistery behind it. Mr. shiri Zaban writes the tutorial if this gets him interested.


Sure, do you have the permission from MS to re-distribute their non-redistributable files?

If yes :dubbio:, then it's OK.

If you have it NOT it it is WAREZ (in the sense of non-authorized redistribution of non-redistributable software).


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Just be investigated such as booting the image. :frusty:

This is for educational purposes! :innocent:

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Posted 19 August 2011 - 04:24 AM

Please reveal the mistery behind it. Mr. shiri Zaban writes the tutorial if this gets him interested.

What is the statement of the "mystery," if you please? You imply that there is a mystery, but I don't understand what detail(s), in particular, is(/are) mysterious.

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Posted 19 August 2011 - 04:34 AM

What is the statement of the "mystery," if you please? You imply that there is a mystery, but I don't understand what detail(s), in particular, is(/are) mysterious.


The mystery is how to make your own project using the same mode to load and boot a compressed image.

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Posted 19 August 2011 - 08:52 AM

Hello Wonko;
I'm not trying to redistribute the software.

Well, then you failed :w00t:, I assure you that posting on a public board a link to download a file is called in English "to redistribute".

I'm trying to learn about that kind of build. Its free trial demo version build by many companies and all of them use the same concept.

READ the thread I linked to, then:
http://www.911cd.net...showtopic=19737

There is NOTHING different from any other RAMDISK based build, only the .iso is compressed to .is_ and will need more RAM.

NO MISTERY of ANY kind.

You may also find useful interesting this:
http://reboot.pro/4882/

Mr. wonko again its not about redistributing, its about learning.

I am not at all discussing the scope :), I am telling you that the method is NOT "kosher" :ph34r:.
Please do check the "But ... then, why?" in my signature.

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Posted 19 August 2011 - 02:57 PM

Its free trial demo version build by many companies

Even using BartPE, and creating a PRE-BUILT bootable image is WAREZ! Yes, a company may do this if it has permission from Microsoft, and as we moved from XP to Vista/7, MS made it easier for legit companies to do this...But, that doesn't give you the rights to further re-distribute.

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Posted 19 August 2011 - 03:26 PM

Even using BartPE, and creating a PRE-BUILT bootable image is WAREZ!

Not really, as long as you do not (or until you do) redistribute it. :)

Sorry to be picky, but as is the quoted sentence may lead to wrong interpretation.

Of course you cannot "create" a "PRE-BUILT" image! :whistling: (otherwise it wouldn't be "PRE-BUILT").

You can build (or "create") a PE image with BartPE or any other builder, as long as you have a license for the source OS.

Once it will be built it will become a PRE-BUILT image ;).

You cannot "share" (or "re-distribute") it, just like you cannot "share" or "redistribute" any software for which redistribution is not allowed by the Author, no matter if the software is Commercial or Freeware.

As an example:
http://firesage.com/...d.php#ui-tabs-3
click on "CLI Freeware"

Firesage Solutions LLC,
Freeware License Agreement
Version 1.1, July 10, 2010

Use of MBRWizard Command Line is governed by the conditions stated below. Please read this information carefully before using MBRWizard Command Line. By downloading and/or using MBRWizard Command Line you agree to the following conditions:

1. MBRWizard Command Line software is provided to you free of charge, 'as-is', without any express or implied warranty. In no event will Firesage Solutions be held liable for any damages arising from the use of this software.

2. MBRWizard Command Line may be used freely for any non-commercial purpose. Please contact Firesage Solutions for permission and licensing options for use in a commercial environment.

3. MBRWizard Command Line may only be distributed electronically from the official host: http://firesage.com. Distribution through other sites or in any other form without specific permission is strictly prohibited.

4. Redistribution of MBRWizard Command Line is not permitted.


this software is absolutely Freeware BUT it is NOT re-distributable.

This software:
http://msdn.microsof...7(v=vs.85).aspx

http://reboot.pro/11212/
even if it comes from MS, is redistributable freely.

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Posted 19 August 2011 - 03:30 PM

Not really, as long as you do not (or until you do) redistribute it. :)

Sorry to be picky, but as is the quoted sentence may lead to wrong interpretation.

Of course you cannot "create" a "PRE-BUILT" image! :whistling: (otherwise it wouldn't be "PRE-BUILT").

Got me again! I plead Old Age! :wheelchair: Of course you are right, and Yes, what I MEANT what redistribting, not creating...

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Posted 19 August 2011 - 03:53 PM

Got me again! I plead Old Age! :wheelchair: Of course you are right, and Yes, what I MEANT what redistribting, not creating...



Sure :), I already heard this one, it must be #3 after "my dog ate my homework, really" and "the devil made me do it, officer" ;).

Just for the fun of it (I have this "personal" thing with the otherwise very nice :thumbup: firesage guys), compare :
http://www.911cd.net...showtopic=23832

3. MBRWizard Command Line may only be distributed electronically from the official host: http://firesage.com. Distribution through other sites or in any other form without specific permission is strictly prohibited.

4. Redistribution of MBRWizard Command Line is not permitted.

As I read it they managed to create a nice loop-hole, by self-denying "forever" in point #4 the possibility stated in point #3 to specifically allow re-distribution. :w00t: :dubbio:



OT :ph34r: but not much ;), and just for the fun of it :):
http://www.msfn.org/...st/page__st__35

:cheers:
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