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#26 steve6375

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Posted 19 August 2011 - 09:18 PM

The thing that worries me about these electric cars is that motor and battery technology is moving so fast, what will a £40,000 car that I buy in 2012, be worth 2nd hand when I want to sell it in 2015 - answer 'not a lot'! They won't be making the batteries any more - or if they do they will be really expensive.
No battery - no go!
Maybe there will be special garages where they modify old electric cars and cut a hole in the floor pan so we can use our feet to propel it like Fred Flintstone!

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Posted 20 August 2011 - 09:15 AM

edit: All I'm saying is that keeping eye on electric car's progress is not BAD (maybe buying is bad :stretcher: for now). About your prices, the more new cars like Lightning pop up, eventually prices will go down right?
2014 :crazyrocker:

Sure :) nothing bad in gathering knowledge, only one should- while gathering it - keep his/her feet on the ground, as they may become useful (see Steve6375's comment).

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Posted 20 August 2011 - 10:39 AM

This happened to me with my electrical scooter. Costed ~1500 euros and I'd be lucky if I was able of selling it in second hand for 150 euros because the batteries are no longer holding a good charge like before.

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Posted 20 August 2011 - 07:30 PM

Anything new is expensive :P (I put that '2014' for a reason), I get excited about news but you even kill :wodoo: progress "news", as if its worthless :beta: . Cars, maybe yes but NEWS?

Did i ever force anyone to buy? I myself see it as no-no too... What made you think my feet is NOT on ground? I'm curious :hyper:

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Posted 21 August 2011 - 10:24 AM

Anything new is expensive :P

Yep. :)

(I put that '2014' for a reason), I get excited about news but you even kill :wodoo: progress "news", as if its worthless :beta: . Cars, maybe yes but NEWS?

As said, IMHO NEWS are OK, it is the "all the excitement around them" that I find excessive.


Did i ever force anyone to buy? I myself see it as no-no too...



Certainly not :) though I wonder HOW you would "force" anyone to buy - should you decide to try doing it. :dubbio:

Should your approach be that of funding me for US$ 240,000 to buy that car, I am very interested in it. :smiling9:



What made you think my feet is NOT on ground? I'm curious :hyper:

The insistence with which you seem like "proposing" things that are immaterial (in the sense that anyone that will ever be able to afford one of the cars won't be a member of this board and whoever is a member of this board won't probably get as near as to touch one of those from the outside).

The world is full of new, cool things. :yahoo:

They will come (before or later). :thumbsup:
In the case of electric cars (and expecially those based to the current technology) it is UNLIKE that they will come in 2/3 years from now at an affordable price.

You are probably a bit too ahead of your time. :w00t:

This one:
http://en.wikipedia....ki/SpaceShipOne
is cool, undoubtedly.
It dates back to 2003 (8 years ago).
Then there was this one:
http://en.wikipedia....ki/SpaceShipTwo
http://www.scaled.com/
Commercial flights (at a mere US$200,000/ticket) may be able to start in 2012. (still future)
Was it in 2003/2004 cool news? Yes.
Has it become (yet) anything of actual use? NO.
Will it become in the next few years of any use? (Exception made for the very few people that can afford to pay a US$200,000 ticket)? NO.

Good to know it exists, good to know and interesting that it is possible, no real need - IMHO - for "excitement" about something that you won't probably have ever an occasion to try/use.

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P.S.: JFYI:
http://www.mercuryne...ess/ci_18450778

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Posted 11 September 2011 - 12:49 PM

Look at the VW Golf Blue-e-motion: http://www.autoexpre...lueemotion.html

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Estimated price of 20 000 GBP, 23 000 € at the current exchange rate.

I like the car, it is relatively affordable and can be charged in the house hold without need for fancy power stations.

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Posted 11 September 2011 - 01:17 PM


I like the car, it is relatively affordable and can be charged in the house hold without need for fancy power stations.

Yep, but all the buzz is about it's direct competitor, the Focus Electric:
http://www.ford.com/...selectric/2012/
http://www.thefordst...nnect-annually/
The idea of a plug-in charger is nice, of course having anyone of geeksquad anywhere less than 200 feet from your house is IMHO a serious problem ;):
http://www.plugincar...ion-106640.html

The fact that they won't be the "same" guys:

Best Buy will sell the charging station, as well as offer consultation and installation services through its Geek Squad—although the members of the Geek Squad who do the installation will not be the regular ones that you see at most Best Buys.

may mitigate the issue, but I wouldn't feel safe at all. :dubbio:


And yes, it seems like the VW, just like all the other ones will need a dedicated EV charger:
http://www.evcharger.com/
http://evcharger.com/Pictures.html

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Posted 11 September 2011 - 01:32 PM

I'm quite sure VW will not force people to need a power station at your home.

For example, at Ford one can already read:

To charge the high-voltage, lithium-ion batteries of the Focus Electric more quickly, you can have an optional 240-volt charging station installed. It gives you a full charge in approximately 3 to 4 hours. Focus Electric also comes with a standard 120-volt convenience cord, which allows you to charge the batteries in your own garage, using a standard 120-volt household outlet.


It makes sense to keep normal power plugs as an option to charge the vehicle, especially in case of emergency and your car runs out of battery.

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Posted 11 September 2011 - 02:28 PM

It makes sense to keep normal power plugs as an option to charge the vehicle, especially in case of emergency and your car runs out of battery.

Sure, both provide the same basic "slow loading", point is IF, like in the pointed to "survey"/whatever a huge number of user will need to charge it TWICE a day (and this is where seemingly the EV charger comes into play).
BTW I suspect that it is the US 120 AC (as compared to our normal EU 240 V AC) mains that may make that need more relevant. :dubbio:

In a perfect world you would commute to your workplace and (slowly) recharge the battery while you are at work, then go home and unless you need to drive a long way after work and before bed time, you simply let it charge (slowly) overnight.

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Posted 11 September 2011 - 03:07 PM

In a perfect world you would commute to your workplace and (slowly) recharge the battery while you are at work, then go home and unless you need to drive a long way after work and before bed time, you simply let it charge (slowly) overnight.

I did this for a whole year with my electrical scooter. The people at my workplace were kind enough to install a power plug right on the place where I parked during daytime. As the months passed, the batteries began to lose their strength and could only hold a charge for 7km. Barely enough to commute from home to work.

It was boring that towards the end of the year I had to charge that scooter twice a day. I reckon that 150Km as advertised performance for some of these cars would be more than enough for my work~home commute during a week, of course that other people will have other needs. It is nice to have electric vehicles as an option.

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