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#1 linuxbaby

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Posted 20 May 2011 - 06:41 PM

Hello

I would like to gather facts for arguments in which you can maybe help me.

Please tell me, what are the advantages of a 64 bit Win7-PE-system?

It is only about better hardware or driver support?

What can a user work with a 64 bit Win7-PE-system?

#2 Nuno Brito

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Posted 20 May 2011 - 06:50 PM

In the future it will get harder and harder to find Windows sources in 32 bits for new users.

I suppose that drivers for newer devices will also start to drop support for 32 bits.

This is not going to happen overnight but we can sense the 64 bit gears moving underneath our feet.

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Posted 20 May 2011 - 07:34 PM

This is not going to happen overnight but we can sense the 64 bit gears moving underneath our feet.

You mean those snail like, slimy little thingies I keep stomping on in the vain hope of being able to completely exterminate them? :thumbsup:

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Posted 20 May 2011 - 08:04 PM

Win7PE and other new operating systems are also built on 64 bit in future.

What are currently the advantages at 64-bit PE systems?

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Posted 20 May 2011 - 09:05 PM

Really there are only 2 reasons to build a x64 bit PE

  • if all you have is a x64 source CD
  • you have some program that only has 64 bit binary's

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Posted 20 May 2011 - 09:31 PM

Really there are only 2 reasons to build a x64 bit PE

  • if all you have is a x64 source CD
  • you have some program that only has 64 bit binary's

Very true.

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Posted 20 May 2011 - 09:32 PM

You forget the main reason, homes. Being cooler than those 32bit loosers. :thumbsup:

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Posted 21 May 2011 - 03:20 AM

Really there are only 2 reasons to build a x64 bit PE

  • if all you have is a x64 source CD
  • you have some program that only has 64 bit binary's

Or if you need to use the recovery tools from MS on a 64 bit OS (but in that case you could always just get them as a separate ISO from MS) or have some 32 bit executable that really, really needs more than the 4G (actually less) memory available to the 32 bit OS.

As MedEvil said, it's certainly "cool" and as Nuno said, it's the way things will evolve, just as we evolved from 16 bit 286 and 386 programs to the 32 bit address / register space on more modern processors...Folks like Wonko may try to exterminate them, but time marches forward... :thumbsup:

So, while it is more of a "niche" today, at some point - who knows... Since we are still working on things that support XP (or dare I say win2k), I doubt 32 bit ones will disappear anytime soon.

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Posted 21 May 2011 - 08:33 PM

Thanks a lot for all answers.

I would summarize:

Without specifically customized execution environment (data-intensive applications such as in database or file servers)
it will not benefit by switching from 32-bit type to 64-bit PEs.


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In reverse: Is a 64 bit PE-system negatively to a 32 bit Hardeware architecture?
(graphics-or backward-compatible CPUs such as AMD Athlon 64 X2, AMD Phenom X3 / X4, Intel Pentium D effect, extremely Intel Pentium, Intel Core 2 Duo, etc.)

Is it useful (for a developer) to keep a two-level-strategy (64 bit and 32-bit PE-system)?

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Posted 22 May 2011 - 01:12 AM

Thanks a lot for all answers.

I would summarize:

Without specifically customized execution environment (data-intensive applications such as in database or file servers)
it will not benefit by switching from 32-bit type to 64-bit PEs.

YES.

In reverse: Is a 64 bit PE-system negatively to a 32 bit Hardeware architecture?
(graphics-or backward-compatible CPUs such as AMD Athlon 64 X2, AMD Phenom X3 / X4, Intel Pentium D effect, extremely Intel Pentium, Intel Core 2 Duo, etc.)

No not any real negative - assuming you have the drivers for the HW you are going to run the PE on...YES, there is a slight performance hit, since the computer has to transfer more bits for some of the addressing or data, but for 99% of things you won't see an impact

Is it useful (for a developer) to keep a two-level-strategy (64 bit and 32-bit PE-system)?

If you have to do repairs on both sorts of OS's (at the OS level), then yes, you will need to have both environments available. On the other hand, if it is more DISK level (partioning, recover files, do backups, offline registry stuff, etc.) then a 32 bit would be fine.

For me (as a person who plays around with things, and occasionally needs to help out friends and family, I haven't needed a 64 bit PE (other than ONCE, when I needed to let the built in MS tools fix a 64 bit OS that was "OK", but wouldn't boot...For that, the MS version of the recovery tools was sufficient.

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Posted 22 May 2011 - 09:05 AM

Without specifically customized execution environment (data-intensive applications such as in database or file servers)
it will not benefit by switching from 32-bit type to 64-bit PEs.



Sure :confused1:, normally on 64 bit you get a BSOD in half the time.
;)

It's way faster! (and utterly pointless, since you have a very good engine that completely misses the appropriate "high-power" fuel)

It's the platform of tomorrow, too bad we have only today's (and actually mostly yesterday's) software. :eek:

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