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#1 divxdude

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Posted 27 February 2011 - 12:17 PM

i hope this is the place for noob questions here goes.

so i have aquired a couple older P4 type laptops with no HDDs and no "boot from USB".
wanting a HDD-less solution like boot from Cd + run from USB.
I can use a USB HDD in the beginnning to install xp but would like to hack that down afterwards like perhaps moving many / most of the xp read only files (DLL etc?) back to the boot CD that can probably still be found by XP via a simple PATH statement?

point being to lighten the USB OS seriously
to MOVE /switch nicely onto a 4 GB pen drive and create a highly functioning configured WinXP (persistant?) with just a CD (or DVDR) and pen drive.

looking for guidance suggestions etc.

i'm thinking there may need to be a partition on the thumb drive for the ram drive files that would contain the page and hibernate files?
the batch file that starts the OS would copy those files to ram drive before startup and (compress+) back to flash after shutdown /standby /hibernate?
i dunno, i'm just asking.

Edited by divxdude, 27 February 2011 - 12:35 PM.


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Posted 27 February 2011 - 03:35 PM

i hope this is the place for noob questions here goes.

Not really. :cheers:
You see, it is in a section called:
reboot.pro > Groups > WinBuilder > Support
and it is presumably aimed to give Support to Winbuilder problems.

You are asking some Support about Windows XP on USB, consequently a place like:
reboot.pro > Groups > Windows Support > Windows 2K/XP/2003

might have been a tad more appropriate. ;)

so i have aquired a couple older P4 type laptops with no HDDs and no "boot from USB".
wanting a HDD-less solution like boot from Cd + run from USB.
I can use a USB HDD in the beginnning to install xp but would like to hack that down afterwards like perhaps moving many / most of the xp read only files (DLL etc?) back to the boot CD that can probably still be found by XP via a simple PATH statement?

Wait a minute. :unsure:
The BIOS on those PC's can or cannot boot from USB? :w00t:
If no, things will be much more complex AND you will need anyway *something* to boot from (kicker).

point being to lighten the USB OS seriously
to MOVE /switch nicely onto a 4 GB pen drive and create a highly functioning configured WinXP (persistant?) with just a CD (or DVDR) and pen drive.

looking for guidance suggestions etc.

i'm thinking there may need to be a partition on the thumb drive for the ram drive files that would contain the page and hibernate files?
the batch file that starts the OS would copy those files to ram drive before startup and (compress+) back to flash after shutdown /standby /hibernate?
i dunno, i'm just asking.

Since you are presuming that you will need a Ramdisk of some kind, this may be a likely place to find something related:
reboot.pro
> Groups > Project forge > FileDisks/RamDisks: Firadisk, etc.
http://reboot.pro/forum/94/
and casually there is this thread:
http://reboot.pro/9830/
that should be what you are looking for. :)

BUT installing an XP directly to the USB device (being it a hard disk or a flash stick) is not that straightforward. :cheers:
It would be much easier if you had an internal hd.
Please also take note that some BIOSes won't boot from USB if there is NO internal disk.

:cheers:
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Posted 27 February 2011 - 04:58 PM

they will NOT boot from USB.

>boot from Cd + run from USB.

this is the solution i expected work to with.
they have good CDRW and DVDRW drives in
them that boot just fine, however USB devices are just not supported in the boot options.

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Posted 27 February 2011 - 05:26 PM

they will NOT boot from USB.

>boot from Cd + run from USB.

this is the solution i expected work to with.
they have good CDRW and DVDRW drives in
them that boot just fine, however USB devices are just not supported in the boot options.

Hmmm. :cheers:
If they are USB 1.1 the whole idea is substantially pointless. ;)

Maybe in this case you'd better use a CD/DVD based OS and use the USB (stick or HD) ONLY to save data between sessions.

Compare with:
http://reboot.pro/13949/

and:
http://reboot.pro/3890/

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Posted 27 February 2011 - 06:09 PM

no, dont think its 1.1 ,
pretty sure theres some 2.0 ports.

..yep just checked.. all two point oh.

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Posted 27 February 2011 - 06:23 PM

no, dont think its 1.1 ,
pretty sure theres some 2.0 ports.

..yep just checked.. all two point oh.

Then, you have TWO choices:

In any case the "main" problem remains the "base" install (and the bootability without an internal hd :cheers: ).

If I were you I would try first a "normal" PE. (with PLoP).
If you have problems with it, then try (still with a PE) the "kicker" approach.

Both fuwi's approach:
http://www.911cd.net...topic=21702&hl=
and pcuser's one (for UBCD4WIN):
http://ubcd4win.com/...showtopic=11375
have provision for creating the "kicker".

If you have success with any of them, it will be probably easier to find a "full" XP way (as you will be familiar with tools/methods).

;)
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Posted 27 February 2011 - 07:59 PM

I would boot from a WinPE v2 or v3 (vista/win7) CD. You then have USB support. You can have all your ISO's on USB and use ImDisk to load any of the ISOs and run Stup from them. This would be good for XP, Vista, Win 7, Server 2K8 ISOs. See tutorial #31 on RMPrepUSB website for ideas. You can make a WinPE ISO by downloading the WAIK if you don't already have a DVD.

Sorry, this is no good if you want an HDD-less system...

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Posted 28 February 2011 - 05:25 AM

well dont forget as stated i dont mind building the OS on a hard drive..external
usb connected 3.5" drive..
i just dont have any 2.5 drives or the special caddy required to connect them
so will want to copy to pen drive is the goal.
i do have another machine that
has a hard drive (backed up) that can be
used for installation /build /transplant of the project.
i have had luck in the past "dumping" a whole partition image made with Ghost
onto another brand computer and starting into safe mode to delete and replace the drivers.

Edited by divxdude, 28 February 2011 - 05:26 AM.


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Posted 28 February 2011 - 09:19 AM

i do have another machine that
has a hard drive (backed up) that can be
used for installation /build /transplant of the project.

Good, then get the hang of:
http://reboot.pro/9830/

i have had luck in the past "dumping" a whole partition image made with Ghost
onto another brand computer and starting into safe mode to delete and replace the drivers.

It is not (thank goodness) anymore a question of "luck", the given apporach normally works, what you need to find out is whether the PLoP does work on those PC's or if you need to go through the far more complex "XP Kansas City Shuffle" route.

No problem whatsoever if using a USB stick, though personally I would "flip the removable bit" of it, so that you have what can be considered a "flash HD", like in:
  • initial tricky business to flip the bit
  • NO problems whatsoever later
vs:
  • NO problems in flipping the bit
  • need to use filter drivers in the actual install

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Posted 03 March 2011 - 06:44 AM

hey wonko thx for the good info..

i got sidetracked but now i'm back.
i burnt the PLOP menu and it works fine on
at least one of my driveless laptops.
i was trying to establish if the speed was improved
booting Hiren BootCD and i think it was.
loading the "mini-xp" took 12 seconds from
"loading windows" to the faint shadow of the windows logo
where it took like over 50 seconds to do same when
i booted a similar DELL from its bios offerd USB boot device.
so obviously faster by a factor of at least 4.

the img_XP util is like GHOST for flash drive? looks good
but i dont know if loading my whole winxp drive to ramdisk will work. these older DDR1 machines only have 256-512m
ram so..
i was thinking however that i probably must put some of it
in a ramdrive or will be very slow.

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Posted 03 March 2011 - 11:49 AM

but i dont know if loading my whole winxp drive to ramdisk will work. these older DDR1 machines only have 256-512m
ram so..
i was thinking however that i probably must put some of it
in a ramdrive or will be very slow.

Two piece of advice:
  • do not use WAREZ :mellow: . (and yes Hiren's is WAREZ)
  • READ the given topic and experiment with it. (there is no strict requirement for ramdisk loading the whole OS)

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Posted 03 March 2011 - 01:00 PM

yeah i know its not required. just saying.




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