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[betrand]

My stick is no longer bootable, recognized, or anything.
The only thing is, in Windows (xp), you still see the
clickable icon of the drive. Dbl clic. Please insert drive in (letter).
-So at the moment is acting (or seen) like a hub,
waiting for some 'disk space' to be inserted.
(I mean, is the above the way a usb drive works, ie in two parts?)

But my real question..
I have knowledge of the existence of usb write filter,
ewf, though I thought for now I'd be ok.
I think my problem is, When I copy a file from Pc hdd to usb stick, everything fine.
When I download direct the file (.html, .zip) from internet, my sticks appear to have
had problems, even disapearing.
I downloaded htmls &zips direct, yesterday. Today ok, +Icopied the said files to hdd,
but then took out the (bootable)usb from computer, and in other computer, no boot.
Opened in drive hex editor, wrong cylinder count or somthing, so not able to see any hex.
Testdisk, too, but drive not even in selection menu. Hum.. It is dead, isn't it?

Is there a tool or a method on what to do with a dead usb? (tap it against something, open-it, blow on it with love)
I will google.
Maybe there are other factors too.
Thank you.

[Wonko the Sane]

It is dead, isn't it?

Possibly , but not necessarily .

Is there a tool or a method on what to do with a dead usb? (tap it against something, open-it, blow on it with love)

If you whistle to it softly Yankee Doodle Dandy it may be revived, but there are very few evidences of this to have ever happened, actual experiments never managed to find the right low, humming tone needed.

...the "tap it against something" is a nice one!


It is possible - though NOT probable, that a full reset may revive it.

Here:
http://www.msfn.org/...up-a-usb-drive/
you can find an example of the procedure involved.

Very low possibilities, but probably still worth a try.

Please take note that even if successful, resetting the stick will delete permanently any and all data that may still be recoverable.

If you need to recover files from it, you need to stop now and ask a professional.



Wonko

[betrand]

Ok, so..

I googled.

http://www.cableforu...-pen-drive.html
is the site I am following.
Ok, so, I need the proprietary? utility, mformat,
or autoformat.
Btw, my stick too is jetflash transcend, so, hehe, that's a good path (same as on mentioed site).
I don't know if it' ll work, and also I am sure I'll format all the info/data on the drive.
Don't care, small drive.

To clear a thing or two,
in hex disk editor, message is: cyclic redundancy error. data error.
On the M$ stop usb hardware button (taskbar), info is:
Device components:
1 usb mass storage device.
2 usb name &company.
3 generic volume e:
with info the likes of: generic volume e: Location: ON -usb name-.
So yeah, tht's how its broken down.
And, as said on the link I put, the volume (e: here) Cant be formatted by windows. (I tried diskmgmt). Therefore, the (format)tool.
If it don't work, you won't hear from me, (as I'll be pi**ed off).
I wrote these infos down, maybe peple already have a good idea anyway how it works,
but hey, might help, or interest, someone.
Cheerio,
R

[betrand]

Ouh, cross posting! I was too busy writing my own $hit, I didn' t see.
Ok, I'll read now,
and thanks in advance:)

[steve6375]

RMPrepUSB will clean and reformat the stick. But I suspect you may have a 'fake' one. Test it with the Quick Size Test button in RMPrepUSB (destroys all data) to see if it is OK.

[betrand]

Ok,

Ut165 up and running, info (printscreens) is the same as on msfn link.
Having trouble finding Beeblebox, as sourcefouge= .jar file, + cant find dll in same folder.
and site archive of students..etcetc/beeblebroxsetup.zip= the setup doesn't setup.
@ steve6375, I Will try RMPrepUSB at some point. Thank you for the tip.
Didn't try the mformat prog, for now, as I want to observe things.
In Ut165, press f10. My version of the program doesn't have an f10.
Or maybe it does but there is something I don't know.
cheers.

[Wonko the Sane]

Ok,

Ut165 up and running, info (printscreens) is the same as on msfn link.
Having trouble finding Beeblebox, as sourcefouge= .jar file, + cant find dll in same folder.
and site archive of students..etcetc/beeblebroxsetup.zip= the setup doesn't setup.
@ steve6375, I Will try RMPrepUSB at some point. Thank you for the tip.
Didn't try the mformat prog, for now, as I want to observe things.
In Ut165, press f10. My version of the program doesn't have an f10.
Or maybe it does but there is something I don't know.
cheers.

Well, it seems to me like you jumped a bit: which PID and VID does Chipgenius find?

You need this data in order to hopefully find here:
http://flashboot.ru/...php?name=iflash
the "right" program.

This should work:
http://web.archive.o...broxntsetup.zip
but you don't actually *need* it, it was just an example, you can use Tiny Hexer or almost anything else that can open a \\.\PhysicalDrive, it is only to verify it is accessible at that level.



Wonko

[betrand]

Still no 'luck'.
In http://www.msfn.org/...up-a-usb-drive/
The problem at a point was hubs. quote Jaclaz: DO NOT use any USB hub, insert directly the device to a USB port (one of those at the back of your computer, not one of those in the front - if you hav them) /end quote

Yep, the comp I'm on has no front ports, I'm plugged at back.

But the Hubscan program anyway just comes-out with this info:
*********Scan Start****************
************Scan End***************

Nothing else. Should there be anything else?

Bye for now.
I'll have to try from another pc.

[betrand]

Oups, missed that:
Well, it seems to me like you jumped a bit: which PID and VID does Chipgenius find?
0C76 0005

[betrand]

+ the 'removable drive' is seen in Hxd. Not seen, detected.+ in explorer.

[betrand]

~Internet cafe ime runnin' out.
G night!

[Wonko the Sane]

Oups, missed that:
Well, it seems to me like you jumped a bit: which PID and VID does Chipgenius find?
0C76 0005

This should mean that you have a SSS controller (and NOT an USBest).
The relevant tool should be one of this "family":
http://www.flashboot...es&op=cat&id=17
Does Chipgenius give you additional info on the actual controller?
Like SSS686, SSS690, etc.?

Any way, BEFORE trying the actual MPTool, I would try the ERASE Utility one:
http://www.flashboot...s-file-326.html


Wonko

[betrand]

Hi all,

good morning!
14:56 still morning.

On http://webcache.goog...ww.google.co.uk
Someone has same usb.
Volume = G:
Controller = SSS 6690 compatible
Memory Model = Unknown
VID = 0C76
PID = 0005
Vendor (by VID) = JMTek, LLC.
Product (by PID) = USBdisk
Manufacturer = JetFlash
Product = TS128MJF2A
Query Vendor ID = JetFlash
Query Product ID = TS128MJF2A
Query Product Revision = 1.00
Physical Disk Capacity = 57671680 Bytes
Windows Disk Capacity = 56611328 Bytes
USB Version = 2.00
Max.Power = 100 mA
Microsoft Windows XP SP3


Now, me tried JF120_mFormat_v4.7, and mFormat_A from Transcend.
It doesn't help, and though the usb is in the slot, the options( format, etc) are greyed-out.
I will try Erase utility, thuough I wanted to see if mformat tool was any use. Maybe not at that level (controller), just for partitions only stuff?
FPI (for people information) Safe Erase: erases all blocks on the flash drive controllers SSS. After it, the flash drive will be recognized as a Generic[..]
Fwi, for Wonko information, thanks for pointing in right direction.

[betrand]

Tried rmprepusb, cyclic redundancy err.
Quick Size Test: drive 1 not found.


Doing Safe erase at the moment,
scan table:
4bad block
Erase all.
1024 blocks erased.

3S USB MPU v.2162 worked.
122mb , no error.

[betrand]

ChipGenius

Device Name: +[E:]+USB Mass Storage Device(JetFlash TS128MJF2A USB Device)

PnP Device ID: VID = 0C76 PID = 0005
Serial Number: 5&&E6B9043&&0&&1
Revision: 1.00

Device Type: Standard USB device - USB2.0 High-Speed

Chip Vendor: SSS
Chip Part-Number: SSS6677/SSS6690

Product Vendor: (N/A)
Product Model: (N/A)



Ehere do I go from there ,
is the Ut tool only for usbest controller, or can SSS function too?

Thanks, appreciated.

[betrand]

Got 3s usb sorting flash and mass production utility ver. 4.010

e: (crossed-out) <IC= 71> No support controller.
how do I post a screenshot?

[betrand]

usb alive.

understated Mouhaha of contentment.

Tried http://srv1.exit.ktn...id State System)/~/?sort=d secureap.

Very pleased with myself, and the board, the 'helpers' of here.

The Step of Erase utility might have been the start of recovery, and the step after.
I wish I had done some diskmgmt at some point to verify,
though the 3s flash util wasnt showing volumes.
The Secureapp showed up a window, asking do I want to formt the drive, make partitions?
Well, yeah! By all means!
Then I thought only at that point of diskmgmt. Just to see when Windows recognized.
Now, obviously, it sees a fat & healthy volume.

I'll be back to clear a thing or two, time running-out, internet cafe.

R.

[Wonko the Sane]

Ehere do I go from there ,
is the Ut tool only for usbest controller, or can SSS function too?

Are you joking or what?

If it wasn't clear previously and to the benefit of future readers of this thread :

• We are talking of MANUFACTURER tools, NOT "generic" software.

• The USBest tool(s) are for USBest controllers. (and obviously ONLY for them)
• The SSS tool(s) are for SSS controllers. (and obviously ONLY for them)
• More generally the xyz tool(s) are for xyz controllers. (and obviously ONLY for them)

NEVER, and when I say NEVER, I do mean NEVER attempt using a Manufacturer tool on another Manufacturer chip or to force it's use (unless you REALLY know where your towel is).

Further, better worded advice:
http://www.911cd.net...showtopic=14564
starting here:
http://www.911cd.net...pic=14564&st=15



Wonko

[betrand]

Hi,

Ehere do I go from there ,
is the Ut tool only for usbest controller, or can SSS function too?

Yeah, reading it out of context of a desperate guy tryin' to find an answer, I have to agree it looks quite naive.
I was thinking out-loud, and it translates better:
<<Where do I go from now, as I didn't yesterday have a clue of these tools, there must be one appropriate for my sss, but.. I've only heard/read of ut tool, Ut, does it stand for UsbesT? or is it UsbTool? therefore I might use that, uh
yep, dubbious, I'll have to look for a link in flashboot.ru
which will maybe hint in the tool's name to SSS. >>
Then in next post, I found the 3s tool. Hehe! 3s! That's more
understandable than ut, you can relate it to the usage!

Whoo, the rant!
It's still quite new and still quite a mystery to me, all that, the MANUFACTURER tools. Usually I stick to making Imgs with winimage. More my kind of fun! Thanks, Wonko.

Admins of site, could you do a striketrough + link to post 18, at "Ehere do I go from there ,
is the Ut tool only for usbest controller, or can SSS function too?" post 15, for better readability. Thanks.

[Wonko the Sane]

Thanks, Wonko.

You are welcome , though really I thought that the general idea was clear enough from the beginning.

I'll try to re-cap (again for the benefit of future readers).

You are going to use a "Manufacturer tool", a specific software that is used in factory to initialize the USB stick.

First step is to identify the Manufacturer, the Chipgenius tool is a good one to do so:
http://reboot.pro/4661/
as it often provides besides the needed VID and PID of the device, the name of the Manufacturer and in some cases also the actual Controller model (or family of models).

In this case:

PnP Device ID: VID = 0C76 PID = 0005

With the above info you go here:
http://flashboot.ru/...php?name=iflash
and enter the VID and PID in the correspondent textboxes and click on the Найти (Найти=Find) button.

The result will be all entries that match given VID and PID.

If you are lucky, you will find one or more entries with (on the left) the actual description of your model of USB stick and on the right the name of the tool (and hopefully a link to it).

Please note how there is NOT an univocal correspondence between VID/PID and actual controller, and as in the case discusse here, the additional info given by Chipgenius is useful:

Chip Vendor: SSS
Chip Part-Number: SSS6677/SSS6690

Still following this example, one of the entries with a link leads you here:
http://www.flashboot...s-file-329.html

In this page at the top there is a "SSS (Solid State System)" text that is actually a link to the whole directory:
http://www.flashboot...es&op=cat&id=17
of SSS related tools.

Among these, you will have to do some tests to find the one (or more than one) that are suitable for your USB stick.

There are often several different versions of the same utility, not necessarily "latest" is the best one, and often an "older" version may contain a help file or some instructions, or a readme.txt about the usage.

Additionally by using Google translate, you can usually understand enough from the user posts - that in some cases offer help with the usage, in this case also an "older" version will likely have more comments and it is more likely to be found in them some useful info on the usage.

Also, the same Manufacturer may have different utilities for different scopes, so you need some time and patience (and usually a lot of guessing ) in order to find the "right" tool, and to find the "right" way to use it.

Keep in mind that these are very specific tools made for engineers that need not (or like to think they need not ) instructions to use such tools.

At a certain point you will need to choose, and the only recommendation I can give you is:
http://www.imdb.com/...uotes?qt0357926

Grail Knight: But choose wisely, for while the true Grail will bring you life, the false Grail will take it from you.

Wonko