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#26 LeMOGO

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Posted 24 January 2011 - 03:44 PM

You joking right? I can and will complain.

I thought so...

but just for the records

The objectives are clearly stated in the first post, and this being a discussion that is approaching them in parts, we can not have a good view of things without some help, hence the map. It is where we stand in the discussion so far and grows as things are added. It is a mere reflection of the discussion. It will be turned into the final result. What you have there, is the sum of the inputs in the posts.

Any literate person who reads the thread CAN understand the map :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

Edited by LeMOGO, 24 January 2011 - 03:55 PM.


#27 Wonko the Sane

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Posted 24 January 2011 - 04:28 PM

Any literate person who reads the thread CAN understand the map :thumbsup: :cheers:


No, noone will be able to :(. But that's fine with me :thumbsup:, it's your aim to make things easier and understandable, you (IMHO) are failing :smiling9: .


What you have there, is the sum of the inputs in the posts.

Maybe that is what you think you have done, all I can see is ALL THINGS that have been mentioned put together without any logic/sense.
But if you find one, I am happy for you :).
Nothing is "summed" in the map, but everything is layed before the bewildered reader, it is not a sum , it is a warehouse, or, if you prefer, it looks almost, but not quite, entirely UNlike a compendium:
http://www.thefreedi....com/compendium
(meaning #1)
but rather like a compendium ;) (meaning #2) a collection of everything.

Anyway, I had saved a LOLCAT exactly because I knew it would have been useful:

Posted Image

Let's stop beating this dead horse as it is senseless. :)

The way the XP embedded team sees it:
http://msdn.microsof...y/ee428799.aspx


:cheers:
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Posted 24 January 2011 - 11:27 PM

My friend wonko, we are in agreement!

This was a perfectly Posted Imagefrom the get go,

but somehow, some people from Posted Image

just seem to love "undeading" dead horses and then "park" them:

Posted Image

I have nothing new to add to my previous explanation on the matter (post #19). I'm sorry I can't help the situation, but, they can! (those who undead dead horses)

But since this is a matter of opinion, each reader will have to formulate his/her own, and decide if it is all because Posted Image

or ....

WAIT!
I'm sorry, did you say "dead horse"?
Posted ImagePosted Image
Life is coming!

:happy_dance: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

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Posted 24 January 2011 - 11:59 PM

this is like indulging in bestiality, necrophilia and flagellation - i.e. flogging a dead horse :happy_dance:

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Posted 25 January 2011 - 01:52 AM

It is a mere reflection of the discussion. It will be turned into the final result. What you have there, is the sum of the inputs in the posts.

it is obviously growing. Any branch can be added at any point and any new category can be created and added anywhere. So, no sweat if it's not there yet. Just check back.


...Nothing is "summed" in the map, but everything is layed before the bewildered reader, it is not a sum , it is a warehouse, or, if you prefer, it looks almost, but not quite, entirely UNlike a compendium:
http://www.thefreedi....com/compendium
(meaning #1)
but rather like a compendium ;) (meaning #2) a collection of everything...
:cheers:
Wonko


Posted Image
:happy_dance: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :wodoo: :wodoo: :wodoo:

but don't worry, something good might come out of itPosted Image

I just have to make sure I organize and sum (as in summarize) things up (the very reason why I started this in the first place), and there will be something good for many of us Posted Image

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Edited by LeMOGO, 25 January 2011 - 01:59 AM.


#31 LeMOGO

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Posted 25 January 2011 - 08:32 AM

Well, folks, after a day of work (in the background while posting jokes) our map has grown a few more sections and seen some improvements. It has also gained in wisdom, it is better organized.
Far from complete, it is subject to improvement. Ask questions you would like answers to concerning the subject. Any relevant answers will be added.

Did I mention that today is "wonko day"?
There is a whole new branch authored by wonko: "Types of USB devices". You can find it at BOOTING > BOOTING VIA USB > Types of USB devices.
It is a complement to the categorization by device type in the section about the basis on which the various BIOSes see USB devices at boot time.

Hapy "wonko day"!

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Posted 25 January 2011 - 08:46 AM

Since this is "wonko day", and it is specifically about wonko, you know it would not be complete without a picture Posted Image

and a link
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and, while we're at it, we might as well have one picture for Steve also. Check out this cake: Posted Image

Enjoy your day!

#33 Wonko the Sane

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Posted 25 January 2011 - 12:03 PM

Wonko day?

Why do I have the feeling it's an attempt to soften me through soothing? :rofl:

Probably it is due to my grumpyness....:ph34r:

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#34 LeMOGO

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Posted 25 January 2011 - 02:34 PM

Not at all.
It's a credit to the author.
It just happens that this author expresses himself through pics + links.
When fans of Michael Jackson imitate him, they do the same dance moves, wear one shiny glove, white socks,...
When fans of wonko imitate him, they contribute, AND post a joke, AND post a picture, AND have to post a LINK!

Oh, man! I forgot the emoticon: :rofl:

Edited by LeMOGO, 25 January 2011 - 02:38 PM.


#35 LeMOGO

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Posted 26 January 2011 - 02:05 AM

@wonko
Made new additions, check out:

Booting > the boot process > classification > by processor state

:)

Edited by LeMOGO, 26 January 2011 - 02:06 AM.


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Posted 29 January 2011 - 10:35 AM

To all:

I just added the "size constraints and limitations" branch that specify the boundaries around which you should partition/format UFDs.
Go to map:

Booting > Booting via USB > size constraints and limitations

Do not let yourself be mislead by the look of it. A lot of work has gone into it. Please expand ALL the branches and look @ what's underneath. I have tried to be as exhaustive as necessary.

Edited by LeMOGO, 29 January 2011 - 10:36 AM.


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Posted 30 January 2011 - 03:42 AM

Completed OS related limitations.

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Posted 30 January 2011 - 11:43 AM

Assume 240 tracks per cylinder if no PBR partition tables found.

This needs IMHO a clarification.
I mean, the PBR (Partition Boot Record) has NO partition tables.
Is it a typo PBR->MBR? :blink:

(Node C.3.3.5.1)

May I add that Lenovo's notebooks (recent "IBM" thinkpads) are reknown for always using 240 heads at BIOS level?

@LeMOGO
A thread from which you can extract some more material for "The map":
http://www.911cd.net...showtopic=23408
(I am not wanting to push you in any way, nor to overload you with info, there is no time limit, check it when and if you have time :cheers:)

:(
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Posted 30 January 2011 - 11:45 AM

Yes - typo! Should be MBR!
I did not realise my post was going to be turned into the 'Gospel according to St Steve' :cheers: or I would have spent more time proofing it and enhancing it!

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Posted 30 January 2011 - 12:09 PM

Yes - typo! Should be MBR!
I did not realise my post was going to be turned into the 'Gospel according to St Steve' :cheers: or I would have spent more time proofing it and enhancing it!

No prob :(, you have plenty of time to review the galley proofs. :blink:

For NO apparent reason, Romans 1, in the almost unabridged and largely unauthorized LOLCAT version of the Gospel:
http://www.lolcatbib...?title=Romans_1

Ceiling Cat DO NOT WANT teh Invisible Errors

If u has teh invisible errors, an u hides truth, u maek Ceiling Cat mad, k? Ceiling Cat shows us wut is tru. Wen Ceiling Cat maed teh urths, ppls cud see he has invisible powers, an so they has no excus. They dun thx Ceiling Cat. An they wuz confusd. They sed "Am smrt," but reeli r stoopid. They dun wurship Ceiling Cat. They wurship teh idols like Booda, but he eets too mani cheezbrgrs. Wy u wanna wurship him?

So Ceiling Cat ses FIEN! BE DAT WAY! An so they wurship stoopid idols an not Ceiling Cat. An Ceiling Cat let them do bad fings and mani invisible errors. An they had ebil secks that wuz bad. They even had ebil ghey secks and stuffs.

Evrbody thot Ceiling Cat was stoopid, so Ceiling Cat let thm do stoopid stuff dat they shuldnt do! Ebil wikkid stuff liek killsing an fites an lies an gosip. They iz prowd an meen an they hates Ceiling Cat. They dun keep promis, if they ses u can has cookie, an then eets it, an they stolend teh Lolrus's bukkit. They knows Ceiling Cat ses it r bad but they does it anywai.



:cheers:
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Posted 30 January 2011 - 04:14 PM

I did not realise my post was going to be turned into the 'Gospel according to St Steve' :cheers:

Yep!
That's what happens when you just "reply on the fly". :cheers:
Did you READ the objectives? hmmm! :blink:


I would have spent more time proofing it and enhancing it!


You still can!

It will be the 2nd chapter of the book of Steve, verse 1 (to be read in church on Sunday mornings before offering - proceeds to go reboot.pro :( )
Or we can just have the "Revised Standard Edition" of the "Book Of Steve" (RSV - BOS): read verse 8 here.

Edited by LeMOGO, 30 January 2011 - 04:16 PM.


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Posted 30 January 2011 - 04:26 PM

This needs IMHO a clarification.
I mean, the PBR (Partition Boot Record) has NO partition tables.
Is it a typo PBR->MBR? :blink:

(Node C.3.3.5.1)


Corrected


@LeMOGO
A thread from which you can extract some more material for "The map":
http://www.911cd.net...showtopic=23408
(I am not wanting to push you in any way, nor to overload you with info, there is no time limit, check it when and if you have time :cheers:)


Added link to the reference branch, will read soon and add what's necessary.


May I add that Lenovo's notebooks (recent "IBM" thinkpads) are reknown for always using 240 heads at BIOS level?


Tell me where you would have to add it.

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Posted 30 January 2011 - 04:35 PM

Tell me where you would have to add it.

Near to the words of Steve.
The current C.3.3.5.1 is (currently) pointless and should become a placeholder.
Steve's words:

Assume 240 tracks per cylinder if no MBR partition tables found.

Should become C.3.3.4.4 and Wonko's words:

Lenovo's notebooks (recent "IBM" thinkpads) are reknown for always using 240 heads at BIOS level

may go as C.3.3.4.4.1 :cheers:

OR Steve's words may be part of C.3.3.4.3 (le't say C.3.3.4.3.3) and Wonko's ones may go as C.3.3.4.3.3.1

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Posted 30 January 2011 - 04:58 PM

Interresting!
That just looks like what I did while you were typing.
I had not read it, this was a relic from the first days. I just made some edits, looks similar to what you are trying to say. Check it out.

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Posted 30 January 2011 - 05:02 PM

After careful review, this looks like what I did, with a minor difference:

OR Steve's words may be part of C.3.3.4.3 (le't say C.3.3.4.3.3) and Wonko's ones may go as C.3.3.4.3.3.1
:blink:
Wonko

It PROVES you ARE paying attention. :cheers:

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Posted 30 January 2011 - 05:14 PM

It PROVES you ARE paying attention. :cheers:

...or that I'm extremely lucky and got it by pure chance....:blink:

:(
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Posted 30 January 2011 - 06:02 PM

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by chance, or cheating?

Posted Image

You MUST be cheating, it's not possible to know! :loleverybody:

Edited by LeMOGO, 30 January 2011 - 06:05 PM.


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Posted 30 January 2011 - 06:28 PM

You MUST be cheating, it's not possible to know! :loleverybody:

OBVIOUSLY I am cheating, but more like this ;):

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:rofl:

:cheers:
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Posted 30 January 2011 - 06:49 PM

Laughing a little is good for the soul.

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Posted 31 January 2011 - 03:29 PM

  • Made a lot of changes to the logic everywhere.
    Completed and revamped C.3.3 "size constraints and limitations" classification to follow a logic of BIOS protocol. Reclassified file system + OS (C.3.3.3/4).
  • Changed C.3.2.2 from "type" to "predetermined type" to avoid confusion with C.3.1
  • Added colors for readability as suggested by sambul61.
Click on the diagram link in the signature below.

Edited by LeMOGO, 31 January 2011 - 03:56 PM.





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