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#1 pscEx

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Posted 21 September 2010 - 06:13 PM

Sorry, I wanted to move the post from my topic here, but unfortunatelly I deleted.
The post was not expected by me bacause the topic was closed. Mayb that caused the deletion.

Here is the backup I prevois made:

edit Lancelot: post fixed, It was a reply to OFFTOPIC, Belongs to "Distributing Model" in Development topic first post

edit Lancelot2: initial post added

In order to avoid the well known "Service note" and moving to "Community forum" I write here in a protected area:

QUOTE (Lancelot @ Sep 21 2010, 04:44 PM) *
Replying lies and postgames no fun at all, causing huge time hence decreasing fun.
Besides exbuilder development lies using our project as reference (which forces our replies),
Very obviously boot-land administrators do not want us too .....


@Lance Pansa:
You are a pitiful person.
You still do not understand it, that your struggle against windmills on the side of Don Galapo has reached its goal:
For a long time (or forever?) there will be no new version of WinBuilder.
Not only for you and Don Galapo, but also for the other 40000 users.

"exbuilder"



and here is reply (post2) by Lancelot:


In order to avoid the well known "Service note" and moving to "Community forum" I write here in a protected area:

Thanks. This deserves a reply :cheers:

You still do not understand it, that your struggle against windmills on the side of Don Galapo has reached its goal:
For a long time (or forever?) there will be no new version of WinBuilder.
Not only for you and Don Galapo, but also for the other 40000 users.

STOP LIE

I wrote MANNNY times, even 5 days ago on topic where you start with lieing,

I clearly do not take ANY part of wb developing after release of wb080 where a set of LIES and eventually Post Games popup like a muson rain.
And after my name used for some post gaming actions by psc, I RE-Write here I do not care.

I do not care what you do with exbuilder. I lost hope ~9 months ago and since than I do not write comments/requests/posts/..... about exbuilder, only Replying lies and post games headed by you.

On the other hand, Galapo did not loose hope, gave some support and asked questions IGNORED by you with following post games in time.
Unlike me, Galapo still have some hopes, replying unrelevant questions than topics still asking, a recent post from Galapo.

Yep, I know, but I've only been responsing to your own and Wonko's posts. And that's also why I've repeatedly tried to bring the discussion back to the central issue, viz. fundamental syntax of the winbuilder engine being repeatedly altered, script developers not being included in the decision making regarding this, and not being given adequate reasons for why the changes where necessary in the first place..


RERERERERERERE writing here again like I wrote before and previously and recently.....
Do what ever you want with exbuilder, anything related to exbuilder is out of my interest. Only StoP your annoying posts full of lies, games etc. related to anything related to LiveXP and its administration. Find someone or something else to annoy.

I give promise to you, if you do not do such actions over my name, there will be no single post from me like last month that has goal to reply your lies with the facts.



btw, to make you happy: I personally worked on Leopard pre production to make it fully compatible with exbuilder81x holding backward compatibility with wb80, ready and coming soon. At least now you will be able to say there are 2 projects compatible with exbuilder, no need thanks. :cheers:


Edit: btw, I just noticed topic closed ! I can move my post away if it is desired ????

#2 Lancelot

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Posted 21 September 2010 - 06:19 PM

Sorry, I wanted to move the post from my topic here, but unfortunatelly I deleted.

Here is the backup I prevois made:

Thanks Psc :cheers: I also fixed codes of post. :cheers:

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Posted 21 September 2010 - 06:36 PM

Thanks, too.

Please be not too disappointed when I ignore you next weeks.

I have some important tasks to do.

Peter :cheers:

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Posted 21 September 2010 - 06:39 PM

Please are not too disappointed when I ignore you next weeks.

I will love to.
If correct than I hopefully reach my goal after 7 months.

I have some important tasks to do..

Happy time with your tasks.
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Posted 21 September 2010 - 08:54 PM

Edit: btw, I just noticed topic closed ! I can move my post away if it is desired ????

It has been an setup issue that you have been able to go into a closed topic in this forum.
That has been fixed now.

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Posted 21 September 2010 - 09:47 PM

Thanks for the nice entertainment here.

May you be so kind and give us spectators a timetable so that we don't miss the start of the youtube video battle and the final showdown as a personal duel ?

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Posted 21 September 2010 - 09:52 PM

Thanks for the nice entertainment here.

May you be so kind and give us spectators a timetable so that we don't miss the start of the youtube video battle and the final showdown as a personal duel ?

Sorry to disappoint you

That has been fixed now.

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Posted 21 September 2010 - 10:01 PM

May you be so kind and give us spectators a timetable so that we don't miss the start of the youtube video battle and the final showdown as a personal duel ?

well it is a post game :cheers: to make end users loose head and tail of a discussion on forum. This psc wave started here, where post 1 2 3 4 5 shortly summerize all events. Rest is rerere.. writing same things.

Thanks for the nice entertainment here.

Current topic is a surprise to me too, a new kind. A new post gaming tactic born, opening a closed topic to write lies. :cheers: I feel Entertainment will continue with further creativity of psc. :cheers:

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Posted 21 September 2010 - 10:07 PM

This topic in "Community Forum" has never been closed.

@lance Pansa: Please use your brain and try to find out how sanbarrow could post in a closed topic?

But you seem to be the right person to answer his question and give him a time table (provided, I have time to join the game according to your table)

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Posted 21 September 2010 - 10:11 PM

Hi sanbarrow,
I do not think, but IF you accidentally misunderstand what I wrote like psc does, closed topic here

as you see entertainment goes :cheers:.

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Posted 21 September 2010 - 11:04 PM

This is interesting, always had some curiosity in seeing how those role play games work in other forums.

Guess it was about time to get our own post games around here on Boot Land.. :cheers:

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Posted 21 September 2010 - 11:06 PM

@Lance Pansa:
You are a pitiful person.
You still do not understand it, that your struggle against windmills on the side of Don Galapo has reached its goal:
For a long time (or forever?) there will be no new version of WinBuilder.
Not only for you and Don Galapo, but also for the other 40000 users.

Hi Peter,

Again you've massively misunderstood, despite very clear and repeated statements. The goal has never been to see winbuilder.exe development halted. Let me repeat in case you missed: the goal has never been to see winbuilder.exe development halted. That's why, as Lancelot says, I've made suggestions regarding post-080 developments (although more recently I've stopped as I also have lost hope).

The goal has always been to get project developers and script developers a better deal, because winbuilder development has been such where fundamental syntax being repeatedly altered, script developers not being included in the decision making regarding this, and not being given adequate reasons for why the changes where necessary in the first place.

The goal has always been to have a better situation where if fundamental syntax rules are going to be altered, then project developers and script developers are consulted and involved in the decision because altering fundamental script syntax which necessitate project updates and script updates at a new winbuilder release should be a last resort. However, it has always been the rule rather than the exception. LiveXP development has grown particuarly tired of having to constantly update the project to maintain support for new winbuilder versions simply because fundamental script syntax was altered without consultation and adequate reasons for doing so not being provided despite questions being raised. This just gets project developers and script developers offside and annoyed.

There has to be a better way. Since winbuilder development in no way wanted to take these suggestions on board, the "better way" for LiveXP development is simply to ignore new winbuilders and just provide support for only 077rc2 and 080. Hence you can keep developing winbuilder.exe in any way you want because we're no longer interested in following the winbuilder update train since the suggestion of an improved development model has been consistently ignored.

Regards,
Galapo.

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Posted 22 September 2010 - 10:57 AM

Maybe you are right.

But I'm sad to see in NEARLY EVERY Lancelot's post due to an activity of mine, at least one of the nice words "lie", "postgaming" etc.
Just have a look at his signature.

Thats the reason that not only Lancelot but also the other 40000 members will not have a new WinBuilder version by me.
And it is not very social to cause after your decision to remain on 080, all the othere project authors have to yollow your decision.

Maybe Nuno finds the time to continue, or he finds somebody else, who does lot lie or postgame like me.

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Posted 22 September 2010 - 11:25 AM

Just in case billonious should chime in accusing me of NOT having already pointed out the problem:
http://www.boot-land...?...=8980&st=35

@sanbarrow
Probably one of the (few :)) mistakes I made when Admin was to ban for life (and it's a loooong life ;) ) Wowbagger:
http://www.boot-land...?showtopic=8214
instead of what I should have done (banning the actual people that started behaving as a§§holes, right on the spot).

The good news is that if we do make an evening show of this stoopid, neverending quarrel, we could improve our Alexa ranking. :cheers:

Why don't you make a poll about what times would be suitable? (I would personally like something around 7:00 PM GMT, but maybe it's a bit too late for Greece an Turkey ;))

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Posted 22 September 2010 - 11:42 AM

Recent Lie:

With WB 081 RC1 there seems to be a STOP in development introduced.

Current reason: LiveXP development does not want to adapt to new functionality.

and proof of Lie:

So, winbuilder.exe hasn't stopped because of LiveXP developers. It stopped because we failed on what was most important: listening to the community.

LiveXP and its developers NEVER take a part in any winbuilder release decision.

If you want to release a new version officially, ASK Nuno.


Recent game:
Opening a Pinned Closed topic on NativeEx section
http://www.boot-land...showtopic=12546
hence we reply posts here on another topic. ;) :ph34r:

Very recent gaming:
providing unlogical relation between a builder and a project !!! and now member who writes only the truth!!!

Just have a look at his signature.

Signature is for the ones who make such actions. Not only specially you.

There is no connection between your actions and release. You "postgaming" about that. Convince Nuno for a new release, I do not care new exbuilders for ~7 months. Why do you care ?
If a project do not support further exbuilders providing well written reasons, it is project's decision.
If you decide to start a lie campaign against the project that do not want to support new exbuilders, and finally retire, it is your decision.
As I wrote before:

It is your decisions, stand still like a man.



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Posted 22 September 2010 - 03:17 PM

The good news is that if we do make an evening show of this stoopid, neverending quarrel, we could improve our Alexa ranking.


I'm including the recent ranks against other sites in our field:
Posted Image

So, analyzing the stats I can conclude that we are not going bad when compared to other sites, except against MSFN.

I'm thinking on talking with their skin designer to see if he can also come over and do our next theme. Just look at the whooping jump in popularity at MSFN after the new skin was added.

We can see clearly that the audience response was very positive as they reached the top 15k most popular sites on earth (and surroundings) after changing to an improved forum theme.

When we tried the same the results with web2.0 on our forum it brought higher audience but we might need to repeat this again to spice up our web popularity up the charts.


Why don't you make a poll about what times would be suitable? (I would personally like something around 7:00 PM GMT, but maybe it's a bit too late for Greece an Turkey


It would indeed be nice to pick a more prime-time position between 16h00 and 21h00 GMT to allow a good engagement into bullfight, troll and similar activities. I know people in the US would need to arrive earlier at morning to follow the series but this might still prove to be a good schedule.

However, this schedule might not be a good fit for Asian and Australian readers/participants.



Recent Lie:
...
and proof of Lie:

No, that doesn't work.

From a reader's perspective, I very much prefer when you say something like:
STOP LIE This way people don't really need to read the rest of the post and we already get a feeling that things only get better as the plot thickens in the following posts.

Personally I'd make it a bit more dramatic in the future and recommend some modifications to:
STOP LIE!!!

Moving to other characters such as stefany is also a good move, we do need some variety and this way we might even bring more appeal to our female audience and convince them to also participate saying things like: "stop being mean to stefany" and such when they see the injustice and identify themselves with this character.

Hmm.. how about if we did a small sketch video about this?

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Posted 22 September 2010 - 03:46 PM

Personally I'd make it a bit more dramatic in the future and recommend some modifications to:
STOP LIE!!!


Personally I would also use some correct English syntax, like:
STOP LYING!!!

(just to avoid the impression of "Me Tarzan, You Jane" effect ;) )

And a link to a couple useful site ;):
http://www.wikihow.com/Stop-Lying
http://www.articlesb...ing-578785.html

(this won't improve much the actual Alexa ranking, but will help in an olistic view of the web, increasing the interconnectedness of all thinga)

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Posted 22 September 2010 - 03:55 PM

I dont understand what the f**k the is going on here . Wonko will you plz summarize for a noob (ME) ????

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Posted 22 September 2010 - 05:02 PM

From a reader's perspective, I very much prefer when you say something like:
STOP LIE This way people don't really need to read the rest of the post and we already get a feeling that things only get better as the plot thickens in the following posts.

Personally I'd make it a bit more dramatic in the future and recommend some modifications to:
STOP LIE!!!

Moving to other characters such as stefany is also a good move, we do need some variety and this way we might even bring more appeal to our female audience and convince them to also participate saying things like: "stop being mean to stefany" and such when they see the injustice and identify themselves with this character.

@Nuno!

As you are currently experimenting with making the posts nearly invisible for some people, I think this can be a good suggestion:
Let PHP write certain phrases in "Dark white on light black", similar as I already gave an example here

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Posted 22 September 2010 - 05:35 PM

I dont understand what the f**k the is going on here . Wonko will you plz summarize for a noob (ME) ????

Nothing new, the usual things.

Reciprocal accuses of lying because everyone is too d@mn stubborn to try viewing the issues in a detached and objective manner.

The base issues are (I think) summed up here:
http://www.boot-land...?...=8980&st=35

Mr. Ford changing the engine from using gasoline to use alcohol and then high grade alcohol only without making sure that Mr.Shell and Mr. Exxon actually can provide them.

Mr. Shell and Mr. Exxon mad at Mr. Ford because their fuel is not anymore reliable.

Mr. Ford mad at Mr. Shell and Mr. Exxon because noone wants his new cars.

Citizens the only ones having an actual damage (cars stopping working).

Presifdent Obama saying:
OK, let's then stop making new engines available to the public.

Mr.Ford saying he will never produce an engine capable of using the fuel coming from Mr.Shell or Mr.Exxon because the engine is "right" and the fuel is "wrong".

Mr. Shell and Mr. Exxon saying that they need to know IN ADVANCE the needed requirements of the new engine to be able to find the right new formula and produce sufficient stock of the new fuel.

Mr. Ford saying, no it doesn't work this way, I build the engine and then you find a §@ç#ing new formula for the new fuel that it is needed, your problem.

Mr. Shell and Mr. Exxon saying, no, it doesn't work this way, we don't care if the new engine with the new fuel will be "better" or "faster", the old engines with the existing fuel works good enough, we will recommend our customers to NOT buy any new car from Mr. Ford.

Citizens the only ones having an actual damage (new cars NOT working with the traditional fuel, old cars stopping working with the new fuel - that only Mr. Ford can produce - and that is available ONLY in very small quantities).

President Obama saying:
OK, let's find a new fuel that works on ANY engine and an engine that works on ANY fuel.

Citizens the only ones having an actual damage ( ANY car NOT working properly with ANY fuel).

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Posted 22 September 2010 - 05:42 PM

I dont understand what the f**k the is going on here . Wonko will you plz summarize for a noob (ME) ????

I think it is to help Lancelot in his personal situation of frustration or boreness or missing entertainment or (I do not know)

I feel Entertainment will continue with further creativity of psc. :ph34r:



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Posted 22 September 2010 - 05:51 PM

Do you think only Lancelot? Don't be funny. The number of people against you more then your imagination. Old people are useally like that. It is normal younger people against to them. I don't care how much professional coder are you. If you can write millions of lines of windows from start to end i don't care f**king programs of you if you are not human. You think because of you are the coder you will be king, you will say everything you want, you will do everything you want and the all else peoples are your slaves that will say "Long live king". So silly. If they need your coding that they will always try to make you happy and they can't be creative it is their weakness.

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Posted 22 September 2010 - 06:02 PM

That's usual.

But these million of different thinking people have a forum here to put their opinion for the public.
Why do they not put?

BTW: I'm not any more coder since some days.

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Posted 22 September 2010 - 06:12 PM

Because you post and wrote that.

"That's enough i won't read your posts from now"

And i changed the forum. What was my offence? It was i can say "I don't like winbuilder." When i say that all the people you and others near you started to write all the negative posts about me. Why should't i say my ideas? Also that time i wrote that it wasn't to kill winbuilder from software history. Just i want it clear, easy, easy to customize, more fast and understandable. What did i do. I used imagex, a registry editor and Loadhive. Opened offline image add,changed,customized every registry key in it and built my own without need your winbuilder.

If you want money sell it. If your want to be famous listen the users. If it will be only your software you need to be satisfied with what you have in your hands. You don't understand anything from customer happiness.

If 15 years later when Windows Vista and 7 forgotten in the software history, and if users in here can remember about winbuilder and say "There was a great software to creat winpe" it means you are a good programmer. It is same for me now. I miss so much Bartpe in theese days xp coming to it's end lifecycle and i will never forgot that great software. Do you think it will be like that for winbuilder with your all honest? Not for me. Reason:you don't care your users.

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Posted 22 September 2010 - 06:39 PM

Because you send PM to me and wrote that.

"That's enough i won't read your posts from now"

And i changed the forum. What was my offence? It was i can say "I don't like winbuilder." When i say that all the people you and others near you started to write all the negative posts about me. Why should't i say my ideas? Also that time i wrote that it wasn't to kill winbuilder from software history. Just i want it clear, easy, easy to customize, more fast and understandable. What did i do. I used imagex, a registry editor and Loadhive. Opened offline image add,changed,customized every registry key in it and built my own without need your winbuilder.

If you want money sell it. If your want to be famous listen the users. If it will be only your software you need to be satisfied with what you have in your hands. You don't understand anything from customer happiness

I really do not rermember, but when I wrote a PM to you about "That's enough i won't read your posts from now", there has been real a reasin for that, and my reaction was very moderate. To write in the forum would have been much more agressive.

BTW: Can you PM me this PM? I have some doubts ...

Thanks for the explanation.

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