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[Brito]

Hello,

Summer is very close to arrive. Over the past semester we've had the opportunity to work at an independent study as a course class where each student is self-guided to achieve a goal that is considered interesting for the studies.

I've picked the development of a brand new application, it's a small surprise that I will soon share with the community..

A good friend of mine (João Pina) has chosen to learn more about the "CrowdSourcing" theme and now he needs feedback to answer a survey.

Crowdsourcing is an interesting concept where a challenge is provided to a given group of people and the answers can sometimes surpass any of the initial expectations. (we already see this quite often on boot land.. )


Anyone can answer this survey and you can remain anonymous because all that is necessary is your opinion over the 9 questions.

http://survey.joaopina.com/

I'll publish the results on this topic within the next days, if you have any questions do let me know.


Thank you!

[Wonko the Sane]

Crowdsourcing is a business model.
Here on boot-land we do it for the FUN of it (mostly).
There is a big difference.


Wonko

[Brito]

There is a big difference.

Completely agree. There was a discussion about the definition mostly because it's root is "out-sourcing"

I'm more of the opinion that there doesn't really need to be a type of business involved (financial reward or the sort) and tend to agree more with what is described on wiki:

Crowdsourcing is a distributed problem-solving and production model. Problems are broadcast to an unknown group of solvers in the form of an open call for solutions. Users—also known as the crowd—typically form into online communities, and the crowd submits solutions.

The crowd also sorts through the solutions, finding the best ones. These best solutions are then owned by the entity that broadcast the problem in the first place—the crowdsourcer—and the winning individuals in the crowd are sometimes rewarded. In some cases, this labor is well compensated, either monetarily, with prizes, or with recognition. In other cases, the only rewards may be kudos or intellectual satisfaction.

Crowdsourcing may produce solutions from amateurs or volunteers working in their spare time, or from experts or small businesses which were unknown to the initiating organization.

http://en.wikipedia....i/Crowdsourcing

So, even having fun or brainstorming to get something done can be considered a form of crowd-sourcing even if not following a business intention.

But in the end, it was wisely put that someone needs to decide and the business model got the prize..

[Lancelot]

Same "tricks" with "new" labels...... very westernish games.

[Wonko the Sane]

Same "tricks" with "new" labels...... very westernish games.

Just as "easternish" were different...
http://www.infopleas...a/A0932894.html
http://www.mapsofind...-old-names.html


Specifically :
http://en.wikipedia....mes_of_Istanbul

Compare with:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rome
or
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Florence




Wonko

[Lancelot]

Jaclaz,

Thanks for comparing banana with apple :> yep they are similar, both fruit in the end, but what you write is nothing relevant what I wrote Thanks for presenting another gamish style of another kind

[Wonko the Sane]

Actually I was comparing apples with oranges , and here are the results of a nice, scientifical comparison of them :
http://improbable.co...1-3-apples.html



Following the known thread:
http://www.boot-land...?showtopic=3380

Dutch compare apples with pears:
http://improbable.co...-translation-1/

is "banana compared with apple" a Turkish way of saying the same?


Wonko

[Lancelot]

is "banana compared with apple" a Turkish way of saying the same?

no, it is a way of saying: you reply an argument **looking** similar to the one that pointed, but infact you are fooling oponent or better to say audience . Just like in politics or any other area you like where people try to fool eachother.

I guess in your culture, these were what Socrates and Archimedes teaching to students (increase power of speech and wining arguments using philosophy ........ I have to go now, you know the rest )

It would be nicer if you did not play games, but I know you sometimes get bored and want to play games..

Going back to subject,

Crowdsourcing is a business model.
Here on boot-land we do it for the FUN of it (mostly).
There is a big difference.

If you missed, I agree with you, I'd commented on "Crowdsourcing".

[Wonko the Sane]

Actually all I wanted to say (while doing it funnily ) is that there is very little sense in "drawing lines" between west and east, and a lot of sense in drawing them between people having fun and people doing it for profit.



Wonko

[Brito]

I guess in your culture, these were what Socrates and Archimedes teaching to students

Perhaps so, but mind you that both of them are greek. So I guess we've learned from these lessons from "easterners"..

[Lancelot]

Actually all I wanted to say (while doing it funnily ) is that there is very little sense in "drawing lines" between west and east,

depends on what we are talking about ......

sense in drawing them between people having fun and people doing it for profit.

categorizing that way is sure a bit easier..........

and for "CrowdSourcing" still what i think is this

Same "tricks" with "new" labels...... very westernish games.

[Lancelot]

Perhaps so, but mind you that both of them are greek. So I guess we've learned from these lessons from "easterners"..

Nice "muddy watering" as usual

[MedEvil]

Perhaps so, but mind you that both of them are greek. So I guess we've learned from these lessons from "easterners"..

Greece is the birthplace of western civilisation so they can't be easterners by definition.

What i find most interesting about crowd sourcing is, how more and more previosly criminal activities get relabeled and become legitimate business models.

btw. Asking for the poll is already crowd sourcing and a moraly questionable scheme, since usually businesses pay people for participating in studies.
But hey we've got the internet now, no need for companies to pay people for their work anymore.
Wonder why, they're always so outraged, when the people do the same to them?

Wolves are allowed to eat sheep, but the sheep ain't allowed to bite back? Is that it?

[Brito]

Greece is the birthplace of western civilisation so they can't be easterners by definition

Nahh.. from a portuguese perspective, I'd say Germany, Greece or Turkey are way too far at East for us..

btw. Asking for the poll is already crowd sourcing and a moraly questionable scheme, since usually businesses pay people for participating in studies.

This is just a poll, no business is involved although I agree with you as most of the people that I know around my studies are only interested on the business side of software development and nothing more.

Wolves are allowed to eat sheep, but the sheep ain't allowed to bite back? Is that it?

It will certainly depend on your audience. There was a time when all the rage was on the side of shareware or trials and noways people won't certainly look twice at those and look for a freeware version.

So, sheep do bite back. We see a lot of companies making their products free for home users and only require a commercial license to use them inside a company.

An interesting approach is the one used by trialPay. You offer visitors a full version of your commercial application if they install some software from another company that will sponsor your price for the license: http://www.trialpay.com/ WinZip and a few others offer this option so that you end up getting the full retail version for (almost) free. (just wish MS also used it..)

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Also, you see a lot products lowering the license costs to something like 1 or 2 dollars. This way more people won't mind sparing a few dollars to help the development of something that they like instead of affording licenses of 35 USD or even higher.

The wolves are getting afraid of losing the sheeps..

[Wonko the Sane]

Nahh.. from a portuguese perspective, I'd say Germany, Greece or Turkey are way too far at East for us..

Yep you are very, VERY close to NEC PLUS ULTRA :
http://en.wikipedia....s_ultra_(motto)
(actually you are beyond the Pillars of Hercules)
http://en.wikipedia....ars_of_Hercules

I don't find Turkey particularly "eastish", the "middlea east":
http://en.wikipedia....iki/Middle_East
was a recent invention of the British and Americans, as well as "near east":
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Near_East

The "real" thing:
http://en.wikipedia....cient_Near_East

If we accept, as suggested by Medevil , Greece as the birthplace of western civilisation, it becomes obvious how Turkey, and all countries around the Mediterranean sea are nearer to the "centre" than Protugal or Spain.

As a matter of fact, even when the "centre" was shifted to Rome, the Roman Empire further peripheries were Portugal and Britain:
http://en.wikipedia....ki/Roman_Empire

On the other hand Turkey is the next candidate to become part of the EU:
http://en.wikipedia...._European_Union
it should mean something....


Wonko

[Brito]

As a matter of fact, even when the "centre" was shifted to Rome, the Roman Empire further peripheries were Portugal and Britain:

I don't know about that. I'd say people in Turkey are far more Roman than the rest of us.. If you notice, the western roman empire has fallen out of grace in 395 DC while the byzantine empire lasted all the way up to 1453 DC. Portuguese, Italian and other countries at the time we're fragmented by barbarians and living in the dark ages..

http://en.wikipedia....rn_Roman_Empire
http://en.wikipedia....yzantine_Empire

[½pfftery]

Jaclaz,

Thanks for comparing banana with apple :> yep they are similar, both fruit in the end, but what you write is nothing relevant what I wrote Thanks for presenting another gamish style of another kind

fwiw, apples (malus) and pears (pyrus) are close relatives. pears used to be malus.