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[thewhitrbbit]

Is there a place we can get a status check on the Win7Pe's or organize them a bit better?

The Win7RescuePE thread is 115 pages long.

Can it be considered moving the download links into a new thread?

I've been preparing to use Win7rescuePE as a primary disk in my IT Department, but I'm struggling to piece it all together.

[paraglider]

win7rescuepe is almost dead. The creator of the project no longer maintains it. The server hosting the project is no longer available. Various people have zipped up what they believe is the current version of the project and made the zip file available for download.

One such download is:

http://homes32.winbu...uePE_Upload.zip

[MedEvil]

Windows 7 projects are notorius for not giving much info, aside from being a Win7 project.
This was ok, when there was only one.
But now the number of Win7 projects, surpasses the number of XP projects. There exist 7, if i counted right.

Would surely love to see, some sort of comparison or shootout of simply a presentation of the different projects.
Something to guide one, besides, download and try for yourself.

[Wonko the Sane]

But now the number of Win7 projects, surpasses the number of XP projects. There exist 7, if i counted right.

Would surely love to see, some sort of comparison or shootout of simply a presentation of the different projects.
Something to guide one, besides, download and try for yourself.

I would surely love to see, as a first step in the right direction the names of the seven projects you counted and also a link for each of them, this way someone that may have the time and will to do the test/comparison, will at least be able to find WHAT to test/compare.


Wonko

[wimb]

I can count already 15 Windows 7 PE projects

Win7RescuePE - Joshua
http://www.boot-land...?showtopic=8774

Multi 7PEs, Support Vista 2K8 Win7 all - yahoouk
http://www.boot-land...?showtopic=9722

Multi 7PEs had been Continued - Win7PE_SE with x64 - JFX and Lancelot and PaPeuser
http://www.boot-land...showtopic=10693

Win7PE_SE Release - ChrisR
http://www.boot-land...showtopic=12427

nativeEx_Win7, Build a Win7 PE without WAIK - psc
http://www.boot-land...?showtopic=9753

Build Windows 7 PE (X86 only) without WAIK - My_7PE Batch Program - tsetya aka trizet
http://www.boot-land...showtopic=11801

Make_PE3 Program to Create Portable Windows 7 PE - wimb
http://www.boot-land...showtopic=11852

Ludo7PE Project screenshot (Build with help of Vvurat/JFX/Max_Real_Qnx...) - ludovici
http://www.boot-land...showtopic=11187

Portable Windows 7 build from Winpe 3.0 - Kullenen_Ask aka vvurat
http://www.msfn.org/...-from-winpe-30/

W7PEX project of amalux
http://www.boot-land...?...11&hl=w7pex

cc7pe of Markus Debus
Published in c't 6/2010

BB-7PE of Altorian
http://www.boot-land...showtopic=11904
MultiPE Leopard - Max_Real_Qnxhttp://www.boot-land.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=12538

VistaPE updated package RC1a - JonF
http://www.boot-land...?showtopic=8462

VistaPE Leopard Beta 3 - Max_Real_Qnx
http://www.boot-land...showtopic=11228

MultiPE Leopard - Max_Real_Qnx
http://www.boot-land...showtopic=12538

EDIT: added link to W7PEX, added cc7pe , BB-7PE and the related VistaPE projects
EDIT: added link to Win7PE_SE Release and MultiPE Leopard

[vvurat]

i can supply a test build for comparation. if i belive comparator will be a trustable and honest person. i am sure none of them boot more fast, more options,less size .... will clean the commercial programs and stuff that can be warez inside or leave as demo

my advise Ludovici for comparation. or anybody that doesnt have such a program and doesnt in a development of any of them for to be trustable.

should be boot time,size,driver support,windows features support(msi,ie,media etc.),number of working services,ram and cpu usage in test

for to be equal conditions scratch spaces should be same size.

[MedEvil]

Omg, so many? And you still forgot two.

VistaPE and Vista Leopard Beta3

Not Win7 projects by name, but both should work with Win7 sources too.

[wimb]

Omg, so many? And you still forgot two.

VistaPE and Vista Leopard Beta3

Not Win7 projects by name, but both should work with Win7 sources too.

Yes the VistaPE projects are closely related and have been added to the list.

That makes then 11 Projects

[MichaelZ]

I was reading the BootLand forum last year very rarely. My VistaPE was working more or less, but I always wanted to make a new up-to-date boot disc using PE 3. But I only found once in a while time to have a glance at the forum, e.g. when the first Win7PE project showed up and when Markus released his project.

Yesterday I decided to start with making a new PE 3 based boot disc. And I started to read and try to understand what's going on with WinPE7. It was not easy!!!!

I think I understood the following (my build environment is host Windows 7 x86 German , WinBuilder 080, source Win 7 DVD German, iso booted in VMware workstation 7).

WinBuilder 080's built in link to the download server win7pe.winbuilder.net/Projects
for Multi 7PEs
I have set the source directory and did a build that was successful. No default settings in the configuration of the scripts was changed. The booted system crashed after the background of the desktop was seen for a short time. This did not convince me of the quality so I decided not to use this project any longer.

Then I found Peters archive of Win7RecuePE. This project was built OK and booted OK. But since this project is not worked on anymore I will not use this project either.

Then I came across Win7PE_SE. I did not find a http server for this project to be used in WinBuilder's download engine. But I found two different flavors of them as an archive.
1) http://www.mediafire...E_05_19_2010.7z
2) Ludo7PE http://ludovici.winb...eta/Projects.7z

Both flavors of Win7PE_SE built and booted OK. So I decided to use Win7PE_SE as the base for my new boot disc, though I'm not sure yet which flavor I will use and do my customisation and put additional scripts on top.

Then there is cc7pe, Markus Win7PE project he made for the German computer magazine c't. I think it is not possible with it to have programs not to be loaded into RAM. I don't like that everything runs from RAM, you need very much of it if you have many programs integrated into the boot disc. But one script and tool I immediately transferred from cc7pe to Win7PE_SE is Peters 00-00Profiles.script/wbstate. I always wanted to code such a utility, now it's not necessary anymore... Another thing I like in the cc7pe project is the ability to cache the basic build. If I have too much time the next days I will have a look at it and try to find out if it's possible to easily transfer this feature to Win7PE_SE.

I'm very curious how driver integration will work. Iirc this was the main problem with VistaPE12RC1 and Vista SP1 as source.

Many Greetings
MichaelZ

[homes32]

the list can be further broken down into Actively Developed & Available for Download Projects

Winbuilder Projects

nativeEx_Win7, Build a Win7 PE without WAIK - psc
http://www.boot-land...?showtopic=9753

Ludo7PE Project screenshot (Build with help of Vvurat/JFX/Max_Real_Qnx...) - ludovici
http://www.boot-land...showtopic=11187

VistaPE Leopard Beta 3 - Max_Real_Qnx
http://www.boot-land...showtopic=11228

Standalone Projects not using Winbuilder

Build Windows 7 PE (X86 only) without WAIK - My_7PE Batch Program - tsetya aka trizet
http://www.boot-land...showtopic=11801

Make_PE3 Program to Create Portable Windows 7 PE - wimb
http://www.boot-land...showtopic=11852

[MedEvil]

Contrary to some suggestion, i don't think, that a project, which isn't actively developed anymore, is a bad thing.
Maybe it's way ahead of its time and already perfect.

[wimb]

Then there is cc7pe, Markus Win7PE project he made for the German computer magazine c't.

What is best link to start with cc7pe ?
Then I will add this to the list.

@MedEvil and @homes32
I think well developed and downloadable projects should be on the list
and in that respect the work of JFX should certainly be added to the confined list

Multi 7PEs had been Continued - Win7PE x64 - JFX and Lancelot and PaPeuser
http://www.boot-land...showtopic=10693

[thewhitrbbit]

I'd be happy to offer server space and a subdomain to anyone who needs a place to store a Win7 project.

[MedEvil]

Thanks, thewhitrbbit, but we've got server space right here at boot-land and also the bandwidth to sustain the demand.
Projects, which are not hosted here, are not, because the developer made the decision to not make use of the standing offer.

@wimb
I think all 11 projects deserve to be in the list. Each one was crafted with blood, sweat, tears and a lot of love.
The least they deserve is the right to compete!

[carloscape]

I also had trouble defining which win7pe project to use. I started with Win7RescuePE, switched to NativeEx Win7 only to find out that it wasn't a project but an improvement on Win7RescuePE; and I finally chose Win7PE_SE.

This last one worked rather well as it only contains the OS, you can customize it to your specific needs. However, I would like to enable support for VB6, .Net, and other technologies shared between programs. Sadly, they don't seem to exist as independent scripts only as part of specific projects. It would also be great to know which scripts work without issues between different Win7PE projects.

[vvurat]

somebody should make a list of test criteriums first.

[homes32]

What is best link to start with cc7pe ?
Then I will add this to the list.

@MedEvil and @homes32
I think well developed and downloadable projects should be on the list
and in that respect the work of JFX should certainly be added to the confined list

Multi 7PEs had been Continued - Win7PE x64 - JFX and Lancelot and PaPeuser
http://www.boot-land...showtopic=10693

I totally agree!

my cut down list was only to show users what projects were being actively developed in case that was concern to their needs, not to discourage their use by anybody.

[MedEvil]

Ok, lets start the list with the usual suspects.

- boot time - the shorter the better
- size - the smaller the better
- system requirements - the fewer the better
- Win7 features - the more the better
- problems - the fewer the better
- additional goodies (not Apps) - the more the better
- overall impression
- how stable / easy is the build process itself
edit:
- ease of configuration of the project

I think, the test might should have a second part. 64Bit PE.
From what i've read, the projects don't all do equaly well with both 32Bit and 64Bit.


Anything else, that should be a criterium?

[homes32]

Ok, lets start the list with the usual suspects.

- boot time - the shorter the better
- size - the smaller the better
- system requirements - the fewer the better
- Win7 features - the more the better
- problems - the fewer the better
- additional goodies (not Apps) - the more the better
- overall impression
- how stable / easy is the build process itself

I think, the test might should have a second part. 64Bit PE.
From what i've read, the projects don't all do equaly well with both 32Bit and 64Bit.


Anything else, that should be a criterium?

- ease of configuration, including but not limited to the organization of the scripts, and clear, easy to understand options available.

- application scripts should be excluded as the majority are made and supported by 3rd party script authors and really don't have anything to do with the projects themselves.

[MedEvil]

- application scripts should be excluded as the majority are made and supported by 3rd party script authors and really don't have anything to do with the projects themselves.

Yes agree, Apps should not count, unless they are used as part of the OS, like PENetwork for instance.

[MichaelZ]

- application scripts should be excluded as the majority are made and supported by 3rd party script authors and really don't have anything to do with the projects themselves.

Yes agree, Apps should not count, unless they are used as part of the OS, like PENetwork for instance.

I also totally agree. But then it is important that the project is alive and continously improved and doesnt't remain at the level when a first stable solution was achieved. Then the common api is getting even more important and the project must always support the latest api and the latest WinBuilder.

Another problem arises when a project is application-less. It's then necessary to have a good organized and coordinated online application directory that can be easily integrated in WinBuilder's download engine.

Many Greetings
MichaelZ

[MichaelZ]

What is best link to start with cc7pe ?

Unfortunately cc7pe has some restrictions concerning copyright. I think Markus made this project for exclusive use by c't. It contains copyrighted material. If I would post a public accessible link I guess I would get into severe trouble with Wonko the Sane

Best thing is to buy c't 6/2010
EDIT: No, I'm not affiliated with Heise-Verlag...

Many Greetings
MichaelZ

[MedEvil]

But then it is important that the project is alive and continously improved and doesnt't remain at the level when a first stable solution was achieved. Then the common api is getting even more important and the project must always support the latest api and the latest WinBuilder.

Sorry to contradict, but neither continues development nor compatibility with the latest winbuilder, is necessary for a project to be stable, error free or even better than an other project.

Neither BartPE nor XPE are developed for years. Still both work fine and certainly set a standard of exelence even today.




PS: Are you sure cc7pe is a new project and not just a renamed VistaPE?

[vvurat]

http://www.digital-e...ad.php?p=711008

looks unusefull stuff. there is not much any program in it and wim size very big. build with winbuilder. every winduilder project can build it.

[paraglider]

I think compatibility with the latest publicly available winbuilder is important as that is the version most people will use.

Should also be possible to build the project on win7 / vista / xp x86 and x64.