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#1 Hima

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Posted 31 March 2010 - 05:40 AM

please i want know how i can put hiren cd in hard disk and to work without cd "work in the hard"when i open my computer
i hope any one reply me

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Posted 31 March 2010 - 09:30 AM

please don't ask for support for WAREZ, as they WON'T be supported on this forum

And learn to write in normal characters like anyone else here! :)

Writing in BIGGER characters is pointless, and will only annoy other members.
Writing in light orange is simply foolish as it is far less visible on a light blue background that "normal" black.

Learn to post in an appropriate place: what the heck has your question, that you shouldn't have posted at all, have to do with "Downloads", read the sticky here:
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Posted 31 March 2010 - 09:48 AM

sorry my friend

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Posted 08 April 2010 - 12:18 AM

even if they would allow us to tell you how it would seem pointless the tools contained are used when your windows / linux or boot, or hardware fails and mot of the tool work better with hdd not being mounted running from a usb or cd is more viable. but that is warez as i was informed just yesterday so unless you purchase all of the non freeware contained on the cd it is illegal.

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Posted 08 April 2010 - 12:34 AM

Sorry. Wish there was a way to help. If there was a legal version of hiren then it would make things a whole lot easier for everyone.

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Posted 08 April 2010 - 07:37 AM

even if they would allow us to tell you how ....


Wonko approves of the use of "we" and "they". :cheers:

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Posted 08 April 2010 - 11:42 AM

If there was a legal version of hiren then it would make things a whole lot easier for everyone.

I guess ubcd or ubcd4win would be legit alternatives we could point people to?

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Posted 08 April 2010 - 12:19 PM

I guess ubcd or ubcd4win would be legit alternatives we could point people to?


Naaah, they're not l33t, they are not cool, you need to actually build UBCD4WIN :cheers: that's what "they" don't want as it means "work".

And you don't have access to all that proprietary commercial software, that surely is much better than the same Freeware one.

Hey, WAREZ are out there, all you need to do is extend your hand and grab them. :cheers:

Hiren's has also a nice article in Wikipedia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hiren's_BootCD

UBCD hasn't:
http://en.wikipedia....=...=UBCD&go=Go

UBCD4WIN's one (much worse):
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UBCD4Win

That links to Hiren's just after Winbuilder. :cheers:

Now, with the new apporach that allows the glorifying of Hiren's on Winbuilder's board, the circle is closed. :cheers:

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Posted 08 April 2010 - 12:40 PM

For that matter it would be preferible to point folks into our in-house development of LiveXP as it can do and add more features than ubcd4win.

Or at least make LiveXP available as a setup.exe type of distribution with a nice and clear to understand introduction page as this is something that has always been neglected for some odd reason.

The point here is that hiren's boot cd is the only thing that a large audience on the Internet seems to know even if they don't require the illegal portion of the included software.

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Posted 08 April 2010 - 01:27 PM

For that matter it would be preferible to point folks into our in-house development of LiveXP as it can do and add more features than ubcd4win.

The whole point is that UBCD4WIN (though perfectly legal :huh:) is a pre-configured BartPE with a number of correctly made plugin, well integrated, i.e. it is a direct corrispondent to the prebuilt WAREZ, in the sense that building it is very easy AND the result is working in 99.99% of cases.
Thus it is "static" when compared to LiveXP and Winbuilder projects, which also means "foolproof" as opposed to "it won't work unless you get the right combination of builder, .scripts and select them correctly and...".

Or at least make LiveXP available as a setup.exe type of distribution with a nice and clear to understand introduction page as this is something that has always been neglected for some odd reason.

Question: Ever wondered WHY I always pointed ONLY to amalux's pre-packed builds? :)
Answer: Because it is the ONLY product of Winbuilder that a newcomer can build successfully in most cases.

The point here is that hiren's boot cd is the only thing that a large audience on the Internet seems to know even if they don't require the illegal portion of the included software.

Well, no.
The point here is that "we" know, and "we" should tell "them". :huh:

The fact that Hiren's is "mixed" with Winbuilder or UBCD4WIN is not a good thing, as I see it. :)

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Posted 08 April 2010 - 01:52 PM

If we let the legal part aside for a bit, i have to say that it would be a pretty tall oder, if someone would ask us to create a project that could replicate some of the premade PEs, feature wise.
Legal or not, those guys are good!

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Posted 08 April 2010 - 01:57 PM

Thus it is "static" when compared to LiveXP and Winbuilder projects, which also means "foolproof" as opposed to "it won't work unless you get the right combination of builder, .scripts and select them correctly and...".

Hi jaclaz,

maybe you missed,
to avoid things (right wb version, right scripts etc. etc.), LiveXP-Recommended.zip very frequently updated (last update 2010-04-06 , please ignore date on page :) )
http://winbuilder.ne...oad.php?view.35

Or at least make LiveXP available as a setup.exe type of distribution with a nice and clear to understand introduction page as this is something that has always been neglected for some odd reason.

I do not know the reason why it would be better to have .exe instead of .zip ... , sure I would prefer .7z sfx to make it smaller BUT so far nobody have trouble with extracting .zip and make a successfull initial build for a looooooooong time. Progress, as usual, continues with other requests and enhancements.

Question: Ever wondered WHY I always pointed ONLY to amalux's pre-packed builds? :cheers:

I also point amalux's prepacked builds too. But my answer is different. I feel you never (at least since I come to boot-land) downloaded them. :huh:

The fact that Hiren's is "mixed" with Winbuilder or UBCD4WIN is not a good thing, as I see it. :huh:

I agree, besides Hiren having a pe1 inside with win32 applications, it is the only famous dos based boot cd project I know which with a couple of reasons (except being warez + ready .iso) makes it very well known. I always wonder why jaclaz (or others) did not start a legit dos based builder project with a set of batch or etc. :)

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Posted 08 April 2010 - 02:19 PM

Hi jaclaz,

maybe you missed,
to avoid things (right wb version, right scripts etc. etc.), LiveXP-Recommended.zip very frequently updated (last update 2010-04-06 , please ignore date on page :huh: )
http://winbuilder.ne...oad.php?view.35

I rarely miss something :), it's you that missed the point.
"We" managed to have a visible download link to Winbuilder only a few days ago.
The use of "recommended LiveXp" for newcomers should be all over boot-land (and it wasn't last time I checked).
The home page http://winbuilder.ne...oad.php?view.35 SUCKS. :cheers:
Compare it with that of UBCD4WIN:
http://www.ubcd4win.com/
There are FAQ's:
http://www.ubcd4win.com/faq.htm
There is a LIST of the tools inside:
http://www.ubcd4win.com/contents.htm
There is a "howto":
http://www.ubcd4win.com/howto.htm
http://www.ubcd4win.com/burn.htm
http://www.ubcd4win.com/custom.htm
http://www.ubcd4win.com/slipstream.htm

Now, try playing "first time user" which one would you like to receive as advice? :) Please choose one:
  • A well detailed project with detailed explanation of what it contains and how to create it
  • A project described as " based on Windows XP PE environment. It will produce a boot disk that allows you to have explorer as shell, MMC, access to most SATA drives, and network connectivity." with no other info but a bunch of links leading to "winbuilder related things" (out of the sphere of inteerest and knowledge of the newcomer) and to this Forum, where a newcomer will easyly loose himself.

Oww, come on.... :huh:


I feel you never (at least since I come to boot-land) downloaded them. :rofl:

And ...? :rofl:


I always wonder why jaclaz (or others) did not start a legit dos based builder project with a set of batch or etc. :)

Because there is ALREADY UBCD, which is good enough.

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Posted 08 April 2010 - 02:32 PM

Now, try playing "first time user" which one would you like to receive as advice? :huh: Please choose one:
Oww, come on.... :)


I guess you missed one thing jaclaz :), I am not the one who write anywhere LiveXP is advicable to a "first time user" knowing the well explained reasons you wrote (which you are %100 right with missings). There are mooooore which no need to write ..... I only wanted to point that we also provide and frequently update a ready zip package to avoid right wb right script etc. thingies :huh: which so far has a significant success (no failure reports when extracted and builded directly for a loong while) for users who come around and decide to try LiveXP.

ps: And ... => happy testing. :)

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Posted 08 April 2010 - 02:39 PM

I guess you missed one thing jaclaz :huh:

Again no. :huh:
You missed that we were trying to answer to this:

I guess ubcd or ubcd4win would be legit alternatives we could point people to?


Right now LiveXP is NOT a suitable replacement for any of those, exception made, maybe for amalux's "frozen builds", as they come within a tutorial that at least partially compares with UBCD4WIN one.

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Posted 08 April 2010 - 02:40 PM

Because there is ALREADY UBCD, which is good enough.

This imo the main reason HirensCD will always win. He doesn't think, that good enough is good enough.

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Posted 08 April 2010 - 02:44 PM

I was not trying to answer to that, I answered to this

"it won't work unless you get the right combination of builder, .scripts and select them correctly and...".

Besides

Right now LiveXP is NOT a suitable replacement for any of those,

I agree

exception made, maybe for amalux's "frozen builds", as they come within a tutorial that at least partially compares with UBCD4WIN one.

I ~agree (~ means: happy testing)

I guess we are looking same direction with same feelings :huh:

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Posted 08 April 2010 - 02:53 PM

I do not know the reason why it would be better to have .exe instead of .zip

In terms of unzipping doesn't bring advantages but a setup can do a whole lot more than just that.

It can add an icon on the desktop and start menu. This make the whole install process a lot more comfortable and "safe" for new users.

About the site for LiveXP, I think http://livexp.winbuilder.net could be used for that.

Instead of using a static site, we could add a wiki like approach using TiddlyWiki which can run from either the server or directly from any personal computer without internet connection.

In fact, tiddly wiki even seems like a good replacement for our current help pages used on winbuilder since it would be possible to make it available as a standalone document for anyone interested.

http://en.wikipedia....wiki/TiddlyWiki

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Posted 08 April 2010 - 03:16 PM

***

In fact, tiddly wiki even seems like a good replacement for our current help pages used on winbuilder since it would be possible to make it available as a standalone document for anyone interested.

http://en.wikipedia....wiki/TiddlyWiki

This is FAR out of current topic,

and as well written by paraglider before

Complete and accurate content is far more important than how its presented.

besides it is written on topics many times (even very recently, I leave jaclaz to find) wand is the main syntax reference, not any tutorial.

Topic is here =========> http://www.boot-land...showtopic=10881

***
besides, I am (and end users so far) happy with current model of LiveXP distribution......... I avoid writing reasons......
I do not care how famous or well known LiveXP is or not. For the ones who have time to learn *things to build LiveXP, time proves LiveXP is a good project with a good progress model all because of Galapo.

***
just to write a sentence for current topic:
hiren is the most famous, well known warez I know :huh: . Better to understand the reasons behind except it being warez. :huh:

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Posted 08 April 2010 - 03:51 PM

This is FAR out of current topic,

We are discussing why LiveXP doesn't have it's own web page. If it's too much work for LiveXP developers to work on it, let the fans help.

I do not care how famous or well known LiveXP is or not.

Yes, that could also be a reason to explain why people know hiren or ubcd4win and forget LiveXP.

Just wish it wasn't like that.

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Posted 08 April 2010 - 06:23 PM

We are discussing why LiveXP doesn't have it's own web page.

No we are not discussing that. (at least I am not).

I only replied to jaclaz comment

"it won't work unless you get the right combination of builder, .scripts and select them correctly and...".

reminding him the solution we produce which so far success.

Than jaclaz comment on how well organised infos provided by other distributions..... (which was not my point)

Than as usual you brought why LiveXP doesn't have it's own page. :cheers:

If it's too much work for LiveXP developers to work on it, let the fans help.

fans already help, we have King amalux's Wonderful tutorial and I remember personal pages around having introductions for LiveXP.....

Super Amalux's Wonderful tutorial :huh: (King Amalux=King of the LiveXP tutorials)


Yes, that could also be a reason to explain why people know hiren or ubcd4win and forget LiveXP.

I wish it was not like that too. If you think this is because of missing pages or etc, than you are truely missing a biiiiiiiiiig point which have nothing to discuss at current topic.

Simple Internet Reality is: If something is really good, than don't worry, people on internet will find you even if you write in None-English on a None-English website with a simple post topic. (None-English=Russian, Chinese, Japanese, Taiwan, .... even Turkish :))

So far increasing number of people come and find LiveXP, and made tutorials on their webpages etc.

Please do NOT change the subject from Hiren to LiveXP. As I wrote I NEVER write LiveXP as an alternative neither to Hiren, nor to BartPE, UBCD, UBCDWin, BartPE, Sherpya-XPE .... If a user ask me "how to obtain a quick rescue cd", I would advice UBCDwin , UBCD and Hiren.

If a user have time , than I would also advice learn LiveXP :rofl: which I am sure (s)he will spend very good time :huh:


Going back to subject of the topic:
As far as I remember, Hiren did not advertise himself through topics all over net etc. Instruction on its webpage is basic level of writing cd, creating ufd bootable and ingredients. (LiveXP do not need cd write tutorial since it has imgburn inside which executes at the end asking to write cd + we have more proper methods & tutorial to make bootable ufd on boot-land (ps: I always avoid making a script to prevent user blow up their ufd, following tutorials and tools of boot-land is already more proper & secure) + Ingredient of LiveXP always available http://livexp.boot-land.net )

Hiren do not have tutorials to instruct end user how to use the tools inside etc.

Hiren become more and more popular through years, hence there are lots of instructions and tutorials on multilanguage forums around the world. Reason is simple, Hiren is very good for a set of reasons. (I also do not like people asking things about Hiren on boot-land, not because it is warez, If they could use google they could already find answers for their questions, only some lazy guys come around time to time)

This is not about Hiren only being Warez. There are lots of WAREZ distributions around with name Dark, Super, Hyper etc... and NONE of them is as famous as Hiren.
Here jaclaz made a good instruction about finding warez. http://www.boot-land...showtopic=10984
But even jaclaz did not say writing "Hiren" on google is a way of finding warez :) .
It is the name "Hiren", noooooooo. It is simple, Hiren is very good. If Hiren initially had a name "Tomatho" it will again will be as popular as today.

BartPE, UBCDWIN, Reatogo and SherpyaXPE are very good legit alternatives, Hence you can find lots of instructions and tutorials on multilanguage forums all around the world.
There are lots personal pebuilder plugin (=BartPE, UBCDWIN, Reatogo and SherpyaXPE) pages (legit & unlegit) that distributes a loooot of nice stuff.
There are forums dedicated these plugins hence well organised, like the one on 911 http://www.911cd.net...hp?showforum=30
Even today new projects based on pebuilder being created like TeutonPE,
and I do not think Bart Lagerweij himself work on all these stuff himself. :)

Simple fact, pebuilder is very good.

And if something is very good , do not worry, people come and find you, hence make tutorials, instructions, contributions etc. etc.

Comparing: To me LiveXP getting better and better, hence being more popular slowly with Galapo's great wisdom. Besides I do not care how much popularity (or well known) it has. LiveXP will NATURALLY get more popular with the continuation of its progress. I do not care when (or if) it will happen or if it can have a degree to get comparable level to above distributions. Life goes and we will see. Basicly The day LiveXP becomes very good from all level of end user, than it will, if not than who cares, but it will still have lovers on some level :cheers: .

I know my post will %95 not be replied properly as usual, for end words:
I highly respect success of at most BartPE (and Bart Lagerweij for his wisdom), than SherpyaXP, Reatogo, UBCD, UBCDWin and Hiren. Anyone who have a goal to make something popular should understand the reason behind their success. :rofl:

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Posted 08 April 2010 - 06:29 PM

I NEVER write LiveXP as an alternative

Too bad, I just wish it was.

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Posted 08 April 2010 - 06:53 PM

The reason that HirensCD is better known than LiveXP is simple.
People who do not have to spend time building and learning, have time to write posts! :huh:

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Posted 08 April 2010 - 06:56 PM

@Lancelot
I was wondering just the other day and now even more so, what is the design goal of LiveXP and who do you see as the target group?

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Posted 08 April 2010 - 06:59 PM

I know my post will %95 not be replied properly as usual, for end words:

Good, that allows me to reply to the 5%:

Hiren do not have tutorials to instruct end user how to use the tools inside etc.

for the simple reason that 95% of the people that get it are so damn lazy they won't ever learn to use them!

  • Hiren's is "easiest" with lots of applications pre-added. Needs not to read anything. It is pre-built. Success in building 100%. Success in booting 99.99%. Level of difficulty (and stress) = 0
  • UBCD4WIN is "easier" with lots of applications pre-added. Needs to read very few things, CLEARLY written and EASILY accessible. Needs to be built, but still easy. Success in building 95%. Success in booting 90%. Level of difficulty (and stress) = 1
  • amalux's frozen built is "easy" with many applications pre-added.Needs to read very few things, substantially clearly written and and relatively easily accessible. Needs to be built, but still easy. Success in building 95%. Success in booting 90%. Level of difficulty (and stress) = 2
  • BartPE (normal but with applications added). Needs to read LOTS of things, UNclearly written and UNeasily accessible.Needs to be built, and it is OVERLY complex. Success in building, maybe 40%. Success in booting 35%. Level of difficulty (and stress) = 8
  • LiveXP (normal but with applications added). is "difficult". Needs to read LOTS of things, UNclearly written and UNeasily accessible.Needs to be built, and it is OVERLY complex. Success in building, maybe 30%. Success in booting 25%. Level of difficulty (and stress) = 10
Obviously I simply faked the percentages :cheers:, just to convey the idea, people uses naturally Occam's Razor, and always chooses the easiest path or the one that gives more advantages.

Evidently it's just me that is overlaying the above with "morals" or "ethics", and striking out Hiren's as a not viable solution.

:cheers:
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