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#1 BeatZero

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Posted 09 February 2010 - 04:08 PM

After testing several versions of WinBuilder, I had success with version 075.Beta 5j :cheers:

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This is a livecd based on windows 98, generated by WinBuilder within a computer running windows 98 ;)

A short introduction:

This project will create a bootable CD based on Windows 98 Second Edition
Inspired by Mindows with only 25MB, can run fast and stable.

* Internet and network support
* mount NTFS partitions
* VGA driver = VBEMP9x
* Windows 98SE USB Mass Storage Device Drivers
* some drivers for network and storage
* Opera 9.50
* 7-Zip and others

Download last package here (11/08/2011)

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Posted 09 February 2010 - 04:27 PM

This is a livecd based on windows 98, generated by WinBuilder within a computer running windows 98 :cheers:

Looks nice, can you provide the project ;)

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Posted 09 February 2010 - 04:36 PM

Looks nice, can you provide the project ;)

It's hosted on a foreign site ;):
http://win98livecd.winbuilder.net/

The thread is on MSFN:
http://www.msfn.org/...opic=140391&hl=

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Posted 09 February 2010 - 04:40 PM

Bem-vindo BootZero
Obrigado pela sua contribuição!
A primeira contribuição desta qualidade nunca existiu antes!
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Welcome BootZero
Thank you for your contribution!
The first contribution of this quality has never existed before!
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As developer of WinBuilder.exe I'm interested to know:
Did you try with the latest WB 078 SP6?

If yes, and it has not been successful, we should work on that.
That would be a GREAT project.

Peter

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Posted 09 February 2010 - 05:07 PM

Bem-vindo BootZero
Obrigado pela sua contribuição!
A primeira contribuição desta qualidade nunca existiu antes!
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Welcome BootZero
Thank you for your contribution!
The first contribution of this quality has never existed before!
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As developer of WinBuilder.exe I'm interested to know:
Did you try with the latest WB 078 SP6?

If yes, and it has not been successful, we should work on that.
That would be a GREAT project.

Peter

Hello Peter Schlang

Thanks for having me in the community boo-land

The versions 078 SP# not work, did not carry the GUI, the only one that was 075 Beta5j

But in another test I did in Windows Milleniunn with version 078_SP2 worked. (I stay away from WinME ;) )

But there is only one problem running WinBuilder within win9x platform..
When I configure scrollbox, CheckBox of my scripts, there is the following message: "Unable to write to C:\WinBuilder\Projects\WIN98LiveCD\Basic\01-win98_base.script." and nothing is changed in the script :cheers:

I noticed that this happens with scripts larger than 1MB
Scripts smaller work perfectly.

This is just a small detail, because I am still working on it, I'm still rewriting the script

Ps: running on Win98 + IE6 + Unofficial SP2

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Posted 09 February 2010 - 05:12 PM

The versions 078 SP# not work, did not carry the GUI, the only one that was 075 Beta5j

Does that mean, that under W98 wb 078 SP6 does not become visible / readable at all?

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Posted 09 February 2010 - 05:21 PM

Does that mean, that under W98 wb 078 SP6 does not become visible / readable at all?

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only appears in the Windows hourglass for a few seconds, but nothing appears, send CTRL+ALT+DEL and nothing appears on the WinBuilder it

I can do other tests and provide you with a more detailed feedback

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Posted 09 February 2010 - 05:30 PM

only appears in the Windows hourglass for a few seconds, but nothing appears, send CTRL+ALT+DEL and nothing appears on the WinBuilder it

I can do other tests and provide you with a more detailed feedback

BeatZero

Do not do to much work about this now!

The item interests me and I'll do some tests.

But that will take a while ...

I have some partition space left on my HDDs, and I have Win 98, Wi ME etc. souce CDs. But to install will take a wile. I do not want to risk to overwrite my curren W 6.? boot mechanism.

I think, if I installed successful, I'l come back and then I need your help.

Question: Which W 98 do you have? (Brazil) Portuguese or English or ...

Peter

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Posted 09 February 2010 - 05:39 PM

Do not do to much work about this now!

The item interests me and I'll do some tests.

But that will take a while ...

I have some partition space left on my HDDs, and I have Win 98, Wi ME etc. souce CDs. But to install will take a wile. I do not want to risk to overwrite my curren W 6.? boot mechanism.

I think, if I installed successful, I'l come back and then I need your help.

Question: Which W 98 do you have? (Brazil) Portuguese or English or ...

Peter

but it works with versions: English, Polish, Russian, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese BR/PT & Czech ..
I believe that works with the German version is also ;)
WinME or WIN98 FE does not work
I had a recent report to the version of win98 in Chinese, which did not work

my tests so far are being conducted in VMware, I do not have win98 installed on my computer

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Posted 09 February 2010 - 05:46 PM

my tests so far are being conducted in VMware, I do not have win98 installed on my computer

So maybe I can help you a bit.
I really want to install to my HDD (That's what a developer has to live with).
And I do not know the languages I have saved from old MSDN times (in worst case only German) ...

Let's wait and hope the best ...

Peter ;)

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Posted 09 February 2010 - 07:09 PM

Just wait until you look at the scripts coding of BeatZero's project, excellent work! :cheers:

Welcome aboard to our development community! ;)

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Posted 09 February 2010 - 09:05 PM

Hi BeatZero ;)

I always thought the live cd when i used the Windows 98 operation system at times; but my first experience with the live cd was the Windows XP Operation System. Today, thank you for you have made my dreams :cheers:

Welcome to Bootland, best regards ;)

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Posted 09 February 2010 - 09:45 PM

@Peter

I have had success with versions: 078, 078_SP1,2,3,4,5, only 078_SP6 not work. ;)

This wonder happened after I installed the KernelEx, created by Xeno86
http://www.msfn.org/...howtopic=130936
http://sourceforge.n...jects/kernelex/

078 - 078 SP1,2
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078 SP3,4,5
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One problem remains big scrpts
But this is a limit of some of the win98 DLL's, which still could not figure out where the exact :cheers:

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Posted 09 February 2010 - 09:55 PM

Thanks for your cooperation and tests.

I really want to do the best I can (and maybe do WinBuilder changes if necessary).

But please give me some time
It is 11 Pm here, and as old retired man I need sleep :cheers:
But more important: I have to search my old CD's and to install. And that may take a while.
I think that we can speak again when you tomorrow start your day.

BTW: Where are you from?
Last years I spent about 5 month (split over two years) in a project in Rio, and I got the city and the carriocas to like.

Peter

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Posted 09 February 2010 - 10:24 PM

Thanks for your cooperation and tests.

I really want to do the best I can (and maybe do WinBuilder changes if necessary).

But please give me some time
It is 11 Pm here, and as old retired man I need sleep ;)
But more important: I have to search my old CD's and to install. And that may take a while.
I think that we can speak again when you tomorrow start your day.

BTW: Where are you from?
Last years I spent about 5 month (split over two years) in a project in Rio, and I got the city and the carriocas to like.

Peter

No problem
Make tests with free time :cheers:

My city in Brazil is further south, an island called Florianopolis, Santa Catarina.

PS. I belong to the 5th generation German immigrants ;)

Good Night

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Posted 10 February 2010 - 04:56 AM

Unbelievable, amazing! I want portable Windows NT 4.0. Who can make this?

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Posted 10 February 2010 - 09:11 AM

Unbelievable, amazing! I want portable Windows NT 4.0. Who can make this?

You are as good a candidate as anyone else. :cheers:

I seem to remember very promising experiments with a ramdisk based build ;), if I recall correctly a "cleaned" NT4 is around 50 Mb.

If you are game for this, start a new thread here:
http://www.boot-land...hp?showforum=15
(and yes NT4 is missing in the Forum title)
and I will try and post the info I can collect.

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Posted 10 February 2010 - 01:09 PM

After testing several versions of WinBuilder, I had success with version 075.Beta 5j ;)


Thanks for this nice project :cheers:
Managed to build the ISO and it's working!
One simple question:
Is there ANY of all the other scripts (for XP/Vista/W7)
that will work inside the 98-project?

Also a request/suggestion:
ClamWin is working on 98 I believe.
Is it possible to add that prog in the future?

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Posted 10 February 2010 - 02:01 PM

Thanks for this nice project :cheers:
Managed to build the ISO and it's working!
One simple question:
Is there ANY of all the other scripts (for XP/Vista/W7)
that will work inside the 98-project?

Also a request/suggestion:
ClamWin is working on 98 I believe.
Is it possible to add that prog in the future?

Thank you!

Yes, it is possible, but some modifications must be made to the new script

To add/create a new script, you need to file this new .REG files separately, because the WinBuilder NOT integrates these files to the Windows 98 Registry

The Windows 98 Registry is stored in the WINDOWS folder in two files: USER.DAT and SYSTEM.DAT, and can not load the WindowsNT Registry

You can also take a look at the script of 7-ZIP, and better understand how it works

Soon I can explain this in more detail

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Posted 10 February 2010 - 02:12 PM

Unbelievable, amazing! I want portable Windows NT 4.0. Who can make this?

Sorry, I know of projects for the WINNT 4.0
But this can be a good challenge :cheers:

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Posted 11 February 2010 - 05:08 AM

Hello guys,
a another great work,
but i have some problems here,
when running this under windows 7 x64

i'm getting the below error at the iso making part

ShellExecute: [Hide] using: [cmd.exe] with parameters: [/c ""%BaseDir%\Projects\Tools\VDK\VDK.EXE" OPEN * "%BaseDir%\Temp\WIN98\WIN98.IMG" /L:O /RW""]
FileCopy - Failed to copy [%BaseDir%\Work\*.*] to: [O:\]: The directory name is invalid.
Halt

it looks like it is refering to some drive o: which i dont have



Thank you,
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Posted 11 February 2010 - 05:39 AM

@suren
For vdk to run under x64, you will need to disable UAC and disable enforced driver signing.

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Posted 11 February 2010 - 08:08 AM

The Windows 98 Registry is stored in the WINDOWS folder in two files: USER.DAT and SYSTEM.DAT, and can not load the WindowsNT Registry

You can also take a look at the script of 7-ZIP, and better understand how it works

Soon I can explain this in more detail

BeatZero


Thanks BeatZero.
Will have a look inside your 7-zip script to see and try
to understand how you make these scripts :cheers:

One suggestion:
Perhaps you should put a link to the download in your first post?
Also, if you have time: A small tutorial?

Anyway: GREAT projekt! :cheers:

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Posted 11 February 2010 - 01:00 PM

@Peter

Does that mean, that under W98 wb 078 SP6 does not become visible / readable at all?

Peter

WinBuilder 078_SP6 now working, among so many versions that I downloaded for testing, me confused :cheers:

@suren

Hello guys,
a another great work,
but i have some problems here,
when running this under windows 7 x64

i'm getting the below error at the iso making part

ShellExecute: [Hide] using: [cmd.exe] with parameters: [/c ""%BaseDir%\Projects\Tools\VDK\VDK.EXE" OPEN * "%BaseDir%\Temp\WIN98\WIN98.IMG" /L:O /RW""]
FileCopy - Failed to copy [%BaseDir%\Work\*.*] to: [O:\]: The directory name is invalid.
Halt

it looks like it is refering to some drive o: which i dont have



Thank you,
Suren

The VDK is no longer availing the project, today I'll be uploading the new package
VDK was replaced by this: http://www.nu2.nu/bfi/

@al_jo

Thanks BeatZero.
Will have a look inside your 7-zip script to see and try
to understand how you make these scripts :cheers:

One suggestion:
Perhaps you should put a link to the download in your first post?
Also, if you have time: A small tutorial?

Anyway: GREAT projekt! :cheers:

I will do my possible
I'm with many tasks in my job, my free time is limited ;)

BeatZero

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Posted 11 February 2010 - 03:22 PM

For vdk to run under x64, you will need to disable UAC and disable enforced driver signing.

Is this possible?
I have some old but very good Logitech desktop (Keyboard and Mouse) but Logitech does not provide drivers for it, for Vista or Win7.
Using just the default drivers means a lot of features aren't working anymore. :cheers:

So would it be possible to use XP WHQL drivers also in Win7, with the above mentioned fixes?
And where can i turn off the enforced driver signing?
Also, would i need to keep enforced driver signing disabled also after the install or is during the install good enough?

:cheers: