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#576 nice_guy75

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Posted 3 days ago

I will prefer to use following partition order in GPT partitioned HDD Box 
 
(ESP1-ESP2-BIOS Boot Partition-MULTIBOOT-macOS Mojave Installer-DATA-...)
 
Still waiting for MBT 2.3.0......

I'm a newbie, if you can explain little bit in detail I can try.

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Posted 2 days ago

I don't know what is the problem, it is GPT, my laptop has UEFI, still not booting into 4 TB HDD, I'm on Windows 10.

I've no idea how can I make entire HDD bootable or any partition of that HDD bootable, tried different methods, tried with diskpart, used YUMI, but not booting into 4TB HDD. By the way how can I change sector size of my HDD, and would it make my HDD bootable. I want to make just one partition bootable.

You see, "i used diskpart" or "I used Yumi" makes no sense as a report, there are tens of commands available in diskpart and tens of options in Yumi, so it is the same as saying "I tried but failed", it gives no real information on what you may have made wrong or what issues the program(s) may have encountered.

 

If you want to have a USB disk 4kb sectored booting Windows 8 or later, you can use the "successor" of this thread's topic, the WinNTSetup:

https://msfn.org/boa...inntsetup-v392/

 

Maybe you should start from there (have a working Windows 10 booting from the USB disk) before attempting any other thing.

 

Alternatively to the above, you can try using the simpler WintoUSB tool:

https://www.pcmag.co...rom-a-usb-drive

https://www.easyuefi.com/wintousb/

 

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Posted 13 hours ago

You see, "i used diskpart" or "I used Yumi" makes no sense as a report, there are tens of commands available in diskpart and tens of options in Yumi, so it is the same as saying "I tried but failed", it gives no real information on what you may have made wrong or what issues the program(s) may have encountered.

If you want to have a USB disk 4kb sectored booting Windows 8 or later, you can use the "successor" of this thread's topic, the WinNTSetup:
https://msfn.org/boa...inntsetup-v392/

Maybe you should start from there (have a working Windows 10 booting from the USB disk) before attempting any other thing.

Alternatively to the above, you can try using the simpler WintoUSB tool:
https://www.pcmag.co...rom-a-usb-drive
https://www.easyuefi.com/wintousb/

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Ok, primarily I used YUMI to create a installation media, I selected "Multiple Windows Vista/7/8/8.1 -bootmgr" as well as "Single Windows Vista/7/8/8.1 installer" but when I selected my 4TB HDD from boot options, it gave me a message "Operating System missing" and booted from my internal HDD.
I have also tried with WinToUSB and installed windows 7 in mbr partitioned HDD, in which only one partition of 2TB was there and the rest space was left unallocated, but it didn't boot in my office PC which has BIOS, though it did boot in my laptop which has UEFI but only for few seconds and gave me BSOD (Blue Screen on Death), tried 2-3 times but gave me BSOD all the times and didn't boot into my mbr partitioned 4TB HDD.

As I have already installed Windows 7 in my office PC now I want to make one of the partitions of my HDD as installation drive so that I don't need to create bootable pendrive every time I want to install any OS in my lappy or in any other PC,


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Posted 13 hours ago

Again there is a point that you seem to have not yet grasped.

 I know that it is complex, let's see if I can explain it.

 

Disks can be:

1) 512 bytes sectored
2) 4 Kb (4096 bytes) sectored BUT exposing a 512 bytes sectoring through an internal translation
3) 4 kb sectored AND exposing 4kb sectors

 

Additionally USB enclosures can be of three types:

A. pass-through (no changes to what the internal disk exposes)
B. translating to 512 (no matter if the internal disk exposes 512 or 4096)

C. translating to 4 kb (no matter if the internal disk exposes 512 or 4096)

 

Windows OS up to 7 can EXCLUSIVELY boot (via BIOS or UEFI) the combinations resulting in 512 bytes sectors exposed:

A.1, A.2, B.1, B.2, B.3

Windows OS later than 7 can boot the same as above and additionally, BUT through UEFI only:

A.3, C.1, C.2, C.3 

 

To further complicate the matter, the BIOS will only boot from MBR formatted disks, whilst the UEFI may boot, besides GPT formatted ones, also MBR disks.

 

The BSOD you had is actually a "good" sign, it means that at least the initial part of the booting worked.

 

Still, if the disk drive exposes 4 kb sectors it won't boot in BIOS.

 

Post the EXACT model of the Seagate 4 TB drive you are now testing with, maube it is possible to understand from its datasheet which kind of disk drive it is and which sector size is ezposed to the OS.

 

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Posted 12 hours ago

Again there is a point that you seem to have not yet grasped.

 I know that it is complex, let's see if I can explain it.

 

Disks can be:

1) 512 bytes sectored
2) 4 Kb (4096 bytes) sectored BUT exposing a 512 bytes sectoring through an internal translation
3) 4 kb sectored AND exposing 4kb sectors

 

Additionally USB enclosures can be of three types:

A. pass-through (no changes to what the internal disk exposes)
B. translating to 512 (no matter if the internal disk exposes 512 or 4096)

C. translating to 4 kb (no matter if the internal disk exposes 512 or 4096)

 

Windows OS up to 7 can EXCLUSIVELY boot (via BIOS or UEFI) the combinations resulting in 512 bytes sectors exposed:

A.1, A.2, B.1, B.2, B.3

Windows OS later than 7 can boot the same as above and additionally, BUT through UEFI only:

A.3, C.1, C.2, C.3 

 

To further complicate the matter, the BIOS will only boot from MBR formatted disks, whilst the UEFI may boot, besides GPT formatted ones, also MBR disks.

 

The BSOD you had is actually a "good" sign, it means that at least the initial part of the booting worked.

 

Still, if the disk drive exposes 4 kb sectors it won't boot in BIOS.

 

Post the EXACT model of the Seagate 4 TB drive you are now testing with, maube it is possible to understand from its datasheet which kind of disk drive it is and which sector size is ezposed to the OS.

 

:duff:

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This is the exact model of my seagate 4TB HDD "STDR4000302", link is https://www.amazon.i...00?ie=UTF8&th=1

Secondly I have formatted the disk on my Windows 10 laptop which has EUFI so I guess default sector size is 4kb. Once I did format it on BIOS system that time sector size must be 512byte this was the time when I used win2usb and installed windows 7 in 2TB mbr partition and rest space unallocated,  which did not boot on BIOS windows 7 system (my office PC) but did boot on UEFI system (My laptop) for few second and gave me BSOD. About enclosure I really have no idea, because enclosure was came with the disk itself.


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Posted 12 hours ago

I am wondering why can't I make only one partition bootable in GPT partitioned HDD. I can't make one partition active using diskpart it says "The selected dsik is not a fixed mbr disk. The active command can only be used on fixed mbr disks."

How can I make a single partition of my 4TB GPT partitioned disk bootable. Bootable for installation of windows. YUMI is not working, Rufus only work on USBs it doesn't show HDD in device section.

If you can guide me about any such application which can make only one partition bootable of GPT partitioned disk and I can use other partitions for keeping my data.



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Posted 11 hours ago

The link you posted is for a 5 TB (not 4 TB), and it is a STDR5000302, anyway, if yours is STDR4000302 it seems like an Asian market only disk drive and there are seemingly no detailed specs on Seagate's site:
https://www.seagate....kup-plus/#specs
 
However, if you have a computer running windows 10 check what fsutil sees:
https://docs.microso...s/fsutil-fsinfo
fsutil fsinfo sectorinfo <driveletter>
 
You should get *something like*:

D:\>fsutil fsinfo sectorinfo d:

LogicalBytesPerSector : 4096
PhysicalBytesPerSectorForAtomicity : 4096

 
Or try using Powershell:
https://superuser.co...ve-any-recogniz
 
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Posted 11 hours ago

The link you posted is for a 5 TB (not 4 TB), and it is a STDR5000302, anyway, if yours is STDR4000302 it seems like an Asian market only disk drive and there are seemingly no detailed specs on Seagate's site:
https://www.seagate....kup-plus/#specs
 
However, if you have a computer running windows 10 check what fsutil sees:
https://docs.microso...s/fsutil-fsinfo
fsutil fsinfo sectorinfo <driveletter>
 
You should get *something like*:
 
Or try using Powershell:
https://superuser.co...ve-any-recogniz
 
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Wonko

That was a mistake the same model with 4TB capacity. I ran your command and got this result.

 

LogicalBytesPerSector :                                                            512
PhysicalBytesPerSectorForAtomicity :                                      4096
PhysicalBytesPerSectorForPerformance :                                4096
FileSystemEffectivePhysicalBytesPerSectorForAtomicity :      4096
Device Alignment :                                                                    Aligned (0x000)
Partition alignment on device :                                                  Aligned (0x000)
Performs Normal Seeks
Trim Not Supported
Not DAX capable
Not Thinly-Provisioned

 


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Posted 10 hours ago

So the disk is a 512plus (i.e. A.2 or B.2 in the previous list.

This is coherent with your report of being able to format it as MBR with a 2 Tb sized volume under 7.

This is a "problem":

I am wondering why can't I make only one partition bootable in GPT partitioned HDD. I can't make one partition active using diskpart it says "The selected dsik is not a fixed mbr disk. The active command can only be used on fixed mbr disks."

Diskpart is perfectly right.

The "concept" of "active partition" does NOT EXIST on GPT partitioned hard disks, what you tried doing is nonsensical, an "active" partition flag only exists on MBR disks.


You will need to understand the basics of GPT, otherwise we are going to have some serious miscommunications, in GPT the function of a partition is given by its GUID.


How can I make a single partition of my 4TB GPT partitioned disk bootable. Bootable for installation of windows. YUMI is not working, Rufus only work on USBs it doesn't show HDD in device section.
If you can guide me about any such application which can make only one partition bootable of GPT partitioned disk and I can use other partitions for keeping my data.


It is strange that Rufus does not work in your case, cannot say about Yumi, WintoUSB is reported as working just fine by many people, maybe you are doing something wrong. :unsure:

In any case you want something *like* a "WindowsToGo" install, try following thie WinToUSB guide:
https://www.easyuefi...ISO-To-USB.html

You want (because you have a 4 TB disk) to use GPT, hence:
https://www.easyuefi...mbr-to-gpt.html

Then you want to create a small (100-300 MB) EFI partition (which is the equivalent for UEFI of the "active" partition, that MUST be formatted as FAT32), and create a suitably sized partition for the Windows install (that MUST be NTFS formatted), then use the rest of the disk available space for one or more "data" partitions, see:
https://www.easyuefi...-partition.html
https://www.disk-par...ition-4348.html

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