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[MaineCoon]

I have finished my next two scripts: MS Office Viewers 2003 multilingual (Word/Excelviewer and PowerPointViewer) - I know having OfficeViewers on a rescue system is not really a MUST HAVE , tried to find out if it is possible to add multilingual support.
But I hesitate to upload the scripts because of some questions of legality and I don't wanna run into problems with MS.

1. The scripts do not contain any MS files.
2. The scripts copy an existing viewer installation on host as well as the found language settings to the WB Build.
3. The scripts read and write the most relevant registry settings to the build.

As far as I can see in Jaclaz' thread this way should be the only way to avoid having problems with MS.

But what's about the MS EULA? (I'm totally unexperienced to interpret and to understand these EULAs)

PowerPointViewer shouldn't be any problem as the user has to accept the licence at the very first run and so the licence file is included in the script using the 'Ask_Licence' command.

I have doubts about the EULA for Word/Excelviewer that has to be accepted during installation on host and the following EULA snippet:

2. USE RIGHTS. If you comply with this agreement, for each licence you acquire you

		 have the following rights:

		 Installation and Use.

		 a. General. You may install and use an unlimited number of copies of the software to 

		 view and screen print documents created with Microsoft  Office software. You

		 may not use the software for any other purpose.

		 b. Distribution. You may copy and distribute the software, provided that: 

		 ...

		 ...

		 3. BACKUP COPY. You may make one backup copy of the software. You may use it

		 only to reinstall the software.

Is WinBuilder "any other purpose", is it in end user's responsibility to use the scripts or would it be better to forget an upload?

Thank you for your answers
MaineCoon

[pscEx]

Take it easy (and legal):

When I understood you correctly, you do not distribute any copyrighted stuff.

Therefore you can enjoy, laugh about, or whatever you want due to all of Billy the Door's or Mac's or whatever EULAs.

Just distribute your script!
We are glad to see and use it.

Peter

[was_jaclaz]

Is WinBuilder "any other purpose", is it in end user's responsibility to use the scripts or would it be better to forget an upload?

No, the purpose is reading files (and BTW it's the only possible thing those "stupid" viewers are able to do).

No problem whatsoever in using them in a PE , as long if you use them for reading MS Office files ONLY.

Just for future memory, download sizes:
Excel 2007 viewer: 74,1 Mb
PowerPoint Viewer 2007: 26,4 Mb
Word 2007 Viewer: 25,1 Mb
Which total around 125 Mb of downloads , cannot say about actual installed size.

The 2003 versions are smaller of course:
Excel viewer 2003: 10,2 Mb
PowerPoint Viewer 2003: 2 Mb
Word Viewer 2003: 12 Mb
Total about 24 Mb
(but of course you cannot use them on the nice things made in .xml by the 2007 version)

OpenOffice.org Portable averages 85 Mb
http://sourceforge.n...cts/portableoo/

and possibly the above can be reduced by removing some features, and still have a "real" suite.

And, you can always get more (or almost the same) for less:
http://www.softmakeroffice.com/

23,8 Mb download (and yes, it misses a Powerpoint-like app)

@Mainecoon
Absolutely not to put your nice .scripts down , but actually, as you already know, NOT the most useful/used apps around on a PE.



jaclaz

[joakim]

Because ot their size, they might be more appealing as lodr packages. After all they are apps that normally are not used that often in PE.

Joakim

[pscEx]

Just for future memory, download sizes:
Excel 2007 viewer: 74,1 Mb
PowerPoint Viewer 2007: 26,4 Mb
Word 2007 Viewer: 25,1 Mb
Which total around 125 Mb of downloads , cannot say about actual installed size.

OpenOffice.org Portable averaging 85 Mb

OFFTopic:

@Jaclaz, I disagree.
Not about the numbers, they are (or maybe) correct, I don't check.

But I already tried to replace my Office (mostly used Word, second Excel) with OpenOffice.

And I switched back to Billy because of the startup time.

When clicking a *.word under WinWord control, I have it on screen after (depending on size) around one second.

When using OpenOffice, I have time to go to the cafeteria and drink a coffee. (Not in reality, but one could explain so)

Inspite I do not agree that Billy the Door controls everything, OpenOffice in this case is the looser due to time.
I know that due to functionality OpenOffice is equivalent.

Peter

[MaineCoon]

Thank you all for your answers.

Off course the size is a problem, that's why I took version 2003 instead of 2007 although the 2003viewers are available only till the end of the year resp. October (PowerPoint).

MaineCoon

[was_jaclaz]

Inspite I do not agree that Billy the Door controls everything, OpenOffice in this case is the looser due to time.
I know that due to functionality OpenOffice is equivalent.

Well I guess that speed for an app used once in a lifetime from a PE is not that relevant.
Or at least I see size more important in a PE.

JFYI, your feeling is perfectly correct and confirmed by actual benchmarks:
http://www.oooninja....-benchmark.html
http://www.oooninja....rd-95-2007.html

But the growth in size is impressive:
http://www.oooninja....ice-moores.html

BTW, I personally use Spread32 and Atlantis on my PE...., which combined and "installed" sum up to less that 3 Mbytes



jaclaz

[pscEx]

Well I guess that speed for an app used once in a lifetime from a PE is not that relevant.

Fully agreed. But you also should take the personal feeling into account:
"When I know that QQQ is faster than WWW, why should I use WWW in my PE?"

BTW, I personally use Spread32 and Atlantis on my PE...., which combined and "installed" sum up to less that 3 Mbytes

(Seriously meant) Why do you act as .script developer, write the script and post here?

Peter

[was_jaclaz]

(Seriously meant) Why do you act as .script developer, write the script and post here?

For 3 (three) reasons:

• I don't know how to write a .script (do you need to know the other two? )
  
• both programs are shareware/commercial
  
• they don't actually "need" a .script

Spread32 can be run even from within a .zip file.
http://www.byedesign.co.uk/

Atlantis is a fully portable app:
http://www.atlantisw...ocessor.com/en/
http://www.atlantisw...lash_drives.htm



jaclaz