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#1 czaka

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Posted 25 April 2013 - 07:02 PM

So In here with some help I will try to format USB using Manufacturer tool 

 

As disscused before...

with ChipGenius v4.00  I found This:

 

 
Description: [F:]USB Mass Storage Device(Generic Flash Disk)
Device Type:        Mass Storage Device
Protocal Version: USB 2.00
Current Speed: High Speed
Max Current: 100mA
USB Device ID: VID = 0011 PID = 7788
Serial Number: 8758B0B8
Device Vendor: Generic
Device Name: Mass Storage
Device Revision: 0103
Manufacturer: Generic
Product Model: Flash Disk
Product Revision: 8.00
 
Controller Vendor: Alcor Micro
Controller Part-Number: SC908AN-G/AU6989AN-G - F/W F7CD
Flash ID code:      ADDE94EB - Hynix - 1CE/Single Channel [MLC] -> Total Capacity = 8GB
 
I downloaded three tool trying to find one which will work with my USB
 
WONKO:
All of them did nothing ......:)
no one recognized USB
 
I try this :
AlcorMP_UFD v. 10.05.17
AlcorMP_UFD v. 11.12.26.00
AlcorMP_UFD v. 12.02.10.MD
698X UFD MP Flash H27UBG8T2ATR
 
 
 


#2 Wonko the Sane

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Posted 26 April 2013 - 10:43 AM

WONKO:

All of them did nothing ...... :)
no one recognized USB
 
I try this :
AlcorMP_UFD v. 10.05.17
AlcorMP_UFD v. 11.12.26.00
AlcorMP_UFD v. 12.02.10.MD
698X UFD MP Flash H27UBG8T2ATR
 
Sure this is more or less "normal".
Any of those tools is pre-set to work with Alcor Micro "standard" Vid/Pid, I thought you had read this:
How exactly to do that is to be found by the translation of the given (Russian) page:

 

 

And if the program of mass production not see your USB flash drive, but it is polled by ChipGenius
This may be due to non-standard VID \ PID (standard is 058F \ 6387), which is your drive. Of course, you can try to change them with the tools 'Alcor Change PID / VID Rework', but it would be wiser to add record your VID / PID in the program. There are two ways to add them:
1) Add a section of [IGNORE] configuration file (AlcorMP.ini or FC MpTool.ini), an example of adding 8564 \ 1000:

[IGNORE]
Enable = 1
IgnoreVID = 058f
IgnoreVIDPID = 85641000
InsertVidPid =
[ALREADY LOAD]
VIDPID = 058F6387, 85641000

As an example in the AlcorMP.ini I have, (a very old version that I used in the past), I have:

 

 

 

[IGNORE]
Enable=1
IgnoreVID=058F
IgnoreVIDPID=058f6387,058f9380,85641000,35380070,35380901,00017778,00007777,76145068
[ALREADY LOAD]
VIDPID=058f6387,058f6387,058f9380,85641000,35380070,35380901,00017778,00007777,76145068

Still on the same page:

 

 

AlcorMP_UFD MD by nat27 - these versions contain AlcorMP_UFD utilities in their name abbreviation [. MD], are modified by man with the nickname nat27 and differ from the original automatically recognizing VID \ PID (058F \ xxxx, 8564 \ 1000, 3538 \ 0070, 3538 \ 0901 , 0001 \ 7778, 0011 \ 7788, 0000 \ 7777), making arbitrary VID \ PID, russification menu settings, support for FAT32, NTFS. That is, is adapted versions for use by inexperienced user in the home, so they do not create a panic, then they supposedly something wrong, as opposed to what they have been reading the articles for hamsters. It should be understood that the data determine the values ​​of the assembly VID \ PID than 058F \ 6387, and it is this bad when working with modern equipment. Since if the flash drive other VID \ PID, then the utility if you can produce strange errors, so that the meaning of existence itself. MD-version is lost.

Try using that:

AlcorMP_UFD 13.02.05.MD {AU6990,92,96,98} ; AlcorMP(130205.MD).rar; size: 5 166 774 bytes

http://www.usbdev.ru/?wpfb_dl=3188

it should hopefully recognize the stick :unsure:

 

:cheers:

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Posted 26 April 2013 - 03:56 PM

ok USB found :)

 

When I chose start it has C++ Runtime error 


Edited by czaka, 26 April 2013 - 04:12 PM.


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Posted 26 April 2013 - 04:52 PM

ok USB found :)

 

When I chose start it has C++ Runtime error 

Well, that is a "generic" OS error, check dependencies, it is likely that you miss some of the MS C++ redistributable packages :unsure:, but it could really be *anything*.

You can try re-installing:

http://www.microsoft...ails.aspx?id=29

 

Dependency Walker (trace the app) should be enough to understand what is missing:

http://www.dependencywalker.com/

 

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Posted 26 April 2013 - 07:19 PM

You can try re-installing:

http://www.microsoft...ails.aspx?id=29

Done - no change

Dependency Walker (trace the app) should be enough to understand what is missing:

http://www.dependencywalker.com/

check found 2 dll files with error 

first was easy to fix 

second MPR.dll I can't fix 

even with special tool.....

when i try just copy to system32 folder i recive similar mesagge as during formating "write protection"



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Posted 27 April 2013 - 11:57 AM

Done - no change

check found 2 dll files with error 

first was easy to fix 

second MPR.dll I can't fix 

even with special tool.....

when i try just copy to system32 folder i recive similar mesagge as during formating "write protection"

Sorry, but no way to help you.

No change against somethng that you didn't describe if not "vaguely" is not enough to let me guess anything.

As well unless you describe what happens, noone but you will know what happens.

I could tell you to add one file and remove another, no! not that one, that other one :w00t:, but as well it wouldn't help you. :whistling:

 

:cheers:

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Posted 27 April 2013 - 05:51 PM

ok ill try be more precise 

 I did according to your suggestion first re install C++ library but this did not change anything 

stil tool was starting and stopping for runtime error

 

Then I try with dependency walker 

This tool found two problems with AlcorMP application

Both dll files 

as written above first I could re install and after this dependency walker didn't found again this error

with second caled 

MPR.dll I still have problem and I can't re install it neither by

replacing it by new in c:\windows\system32

nor by re-installing by designated tool called dll-files fixer

(when doing this I got similar message as with formating USB )

 

So situation now is that Dependency walker still showing

 

"Warning: At least one module has an unresolved import due to a missing export function in a delay-load dependent module."
and red file MPR.dll is showed
 
I'm hope that is meaningful :book:
 
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Posted 28 April 2013 - 08:51 AM

Yep, but from what you are writing you seem like NOT having traced the app (which is what you should do).

That error with MPR.DLL is a common one and most probably can be ignored (it is not an issue).

When you open  a.exe, Dependency Walker analyses the file "statically" and finds anything that is "missing".

Then you trace (profile) the app and you try and see where exactly it fails.

 

Which OS are you running?

Those Manufacturer tools tend to work on XP and may have issues on later systems :unsure:.

 

Try the "plainer" (NON "MD") version:

http://www.usbdev.ru/?wpfb_dl=2976

 

:cheers:

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Posted 30 April 2013 - 05:57 PM

hi Wonko,

 

I have XP 

try with this wersion but stil the same runtime error after starting ....

I ve seen that Steve is trying to upgrade program so mayby after developing I'll test on my USB

 

cheers 

 

czaka



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Posted 30 April 2013 - 06:12 PM

try with this wersion but stil the same runtime error after starting ....

Sure, but what happens if you trace it?

I ve seen that Steve is trying to upgrade program so mayby after developing I'll test on my USB

Yes, but it won't help you. :(

 

The point is that - from the report on the main RMPREPUSB thread - that USB stick has "grown" some errors (of unknown nature).

There is no way that a "generic" wiping or formatting tool will be able to fix them, (and BTW there is no guarantee that even the Manufacturer tool can - with the added risk of misusing it and accidentally "bricking" that stick :ph34r:), the only possibility is that a "general reset" through the Manufacturer Tool can fix those errors.

Normally it makes no sense (given the low price of a 8 Gb USB stick) to waste anything more than a few minutes on the stupid thingy, if not for the satisfaction of learning and DIY (or if you are really cheap ;)). 

In any case it is advised that you procure a new, surely working stick, even if one way or the other you manage to run the MPTool and revive the stick, it may well soon develop the same or other error.  :dubbio:

 

:cheers:

Wonko



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Posted 03 May 2013 - 12:58 PM

Hi :)

Please help me with this. I got the info from chipgenius. Now I don't know what next. Tried several versions of AlcorMP but all of them having butons grayed (disabled). Any help with finding the proper tool for my faked drive? The report from chipgenius is following:

 

 

Description: [H:]Mass Sorage USB(Generic Flash Disk)
Device Type:        Mass Storage Device
Protocal Version: USB 2.00
Current Speed: High Speed
Max Current: 100mA
USB Device ID: VID = 0000 PID = 7777
Serial Number: 8C8A6A97
Device Vendor: Generic
Device Name: Mass Storage
Device Revision: 0103
Manufacturer: Generic
Product Model: Flash Disk
Product Revision: 8.00
Controller Vendor: Alcor Micro
Controller Part-Number: SC908AN-G/AU6989AN-G - F/W D823
Flash ID code:      45DE9892 - SanDisk - 1CE/Single Channel [TLC] -> Total Capacity = 8GB
Tools on web:       http://dl.mydigit.ne...l/up/alcor.html

 

 

Help please ;)


Edited by Franz Ferdinand II., 03 May 2013 - 12:58 PM.


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Posted 04 May 2013 - 03:24 PM

Franz Ferdinand II.

Please read (slowly) this same topic.

Any Alcor Micro tool will be set by default to ONLY recognize devices with Vid 058F and PId 6387.

You need to manually edit the settings to allow it to recognize a device with Vid 0000 and Pid 7777.

This has been explained before in this same thread.

 

:cheers:

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Posted 04 May 2013 - 03:49 PM

Thanks, this made it clear. The previous problem was I have looked up proper tool by falsed VID and PID.

Found already the right tool on ru-board :cheers:



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Posted 10 June 2013 - 06:49 AM

Hi,

just registered in this forum and I do not know if I may reopen this thread, I'll try.

I  cannot format or anyway adjust a fake USB flash pen, it is not the first time I am doing this exercise , I have a set of progs for this, but this time noone seems to work.

my OS is XP, these are the info about my flash drive:

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Description: [K:] USB(Generic Flash Disk)
Device Type:        Mass Storage Device

Protocol Version: USB 2.00
Current Speed: High Speed
Max Current: 100mA

USB Device ID: VID = 0000 PID = 7777
Serial Number: 708D3DCC

Device Vendor: Generic
Device Name: Mass Storage
Device Revision: 0102

Manufacturer: Generic
Product Model: Flash Disk
Product Revision: 8.00

Chip Vendor: Alcor Micro
Chip Part-Number: Unknown(??) - 0xE802 - F/W F508
Flash ID Code:      8988244B - Intel - 2CE/Single Channel [MLC-8K] -> Total Capacity = 16GB
Reference Product: U

Tools on web:       http://dl.mydigit.ne...l/up/alcor.html
---------------------
The media is  defective.
11.7 GByte OK (24657952 sectors)
50.7 GByte DATA LOST (106381280 sectors)
Details:0 KByte overwritten (0 sectors)
0 KByte slightly changed (< 8 bit/sector, 0 sectors)
50.7 GByte corrupted (106381280 sectors)
0 KByte aliased memory (0 sectors)
First error at offset: 0x00000002f0804000
Expected: 0x00000002f0804000
Found: 0x0000000000000000
H2testw version 1.3
Writing speed: 15.5 MByte/s
Reading speed: 11.5 MByte/s
H2testw v1.4
-----

Volume: K:
Controller: Alcor AU6925 A61
Possible Memory Chip(s):
  Intel 29F16B16MCME1
  Intel 29F16B08CAME1
  Intel 29F16B08CCME3
  Intel 29F16B08CCME2
Memory Type: MLC
Flash ID: 8988244B A9
Flash CE: 2
Flash Channels: Single
Chip Code: 0xE802
Chip F/W: F508
Group: 98
VID: 058F
PID: 9380
Manufacturer: Alcor Micro
Product: Mass Storage Device
Query Vendor ID: Generic
Query Product ID: USB Flash Disk  
Query Product Revision: 7.76
Physical Disk Capacity: 67108864000 Bytes
Windows Disk Capacity:  67092021248 Bytes
Internal Tags: AZVR-S2RA
File System: FAT32
Relative Offset: 31 KB
USB Version: 2.00
Max. Power: 100 mA
ContMeas ID: 37AB-01-00
Microsoft Windows XP SP3
------------------------------------
http://www.antspec.com/usbflashinfo/
Program Version: 7.5.0.480
---------------
-----
physical chip info:
SC908SN-1 (CONTROLLER---: -AU6989SN/AU6998SN?)
AU6998SN - AU6989SN - SC908SN
40840-100F
13067A1
--
60073278
6300134729

------------------------------

after having read this post I have tried to rework VID/PID to std , but ..no result.

thks



 


Edited by alex9999, 10 June 2013 - 06:50 AM.


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Posted 10 June 2013 - 08:35 AM

Well, try another of the Alcor MP utilities, there are tens of them:

http://translate.goo...ru/files/alcor/

 

It is also possible that the controller has entered (for whatever reason) in a "loop" from which it cannot exit or more simply it is defective.

 

In any case, besides chipgenius, run also these other tools:

http://translate.goo...ect_controller/

Flash Drive Information Extractor

ChipEasy

 

It's not the first time that one of the tools provide better/more accurate info than another.

 

:cheers:

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Posted 11 June 2013 - 05:58 AM

thks for your help.

chip easy results:

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Volume             :  E:\                 Total Space:  62.5G
Devices ID         :  VID = 058F     PID = 6387
Serial Number     :  
Product Revision :  8.00

Manufacturer      :  
Product Name    :  
MaxPower          :  100mA

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I do not understand the meaning of the last part.

according to h2testw the capacity should be around 12GB.

used also HP drve key boot utility  , formatted the unit to just  2.5 GB, but this means  at least that the unit is not dead.

collected more than 20 ALCOR files, I will try all of them.



 



#17 Wonko the Sane

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Posted 11 June 2013 - 02:47 PM

I don't know what (the heck) you have posted, but it seems like a generic HTM page for a non-found site (or whatever).

 

Get a copy of chipeasy, here:

http://flashboot.ru/files/file/361/

 

The output is something *like*

 

Logical drive : R:\ Capacity: 0.1G
Device ID : VID = 8644 PID = 800B
Device SN : 00000000000197E0
Device version : 1.00

Device vendor : Jaclaz
Device model : USB Flash Disk
Protocol : USB2.0
Max power : 500mA

Partition type : FAT32 Device active : OK
Aligned state : Misaligned

Controller : (unknown)
Controller model: DM8261
Flash Vendor : SanDisk, Type: TLC, Page: 8K
Flash ID : 45D798B2
Score : 12 (Normal Score >= 30)

Tools : http://www.upan.cc/tools/mass/dm/
OS Version : Microsoft Windows XP Professional Service Pack 3
Update Status : The current version is the latest version!

 

:cheers:

Wonko



#18 alex9999

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Posted 11 June 2013 - 03:52 PM

welll...what I have copied is the result of testing the flash pen with chipeasy  v.1.4.5..just copy-paste

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Volume             :  E:\                 Total Space:  2.5G
Devices ID         :  VID = 058F     PID = 6387
Serial Number     :  F9CB9FF9
Product Revision :  8.00

Manufacturer      :  
Product Name    :  
MaxPower          :  100mA

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downloaded v.1.5.6 from the russian site

the results are different ( why???)

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Logical drive   : E:\            Capacity:  2.5G
Device ID       : VID = 058F     PID = 6387
Device SN       : F9CB9FF9
Device version  : 8.00

Device vendor   :
Device model    :
Protocol        : USB2.0
Max power       : 100mA

Partition type  : FAT32          Device active   : OK
Aligned state   : Misaligned

Controller      : AlcorMP
Controller model: AU6980/AU6983 Help?
Flash Vendor    : Intel, Type: MLC, Single channel, Total: 16G
Flash ID        : 8988244B       Flash Part: JS29F16B08CAME1
Score           : 16             (Normal Score >= 30)

Tools           : http://www.upan.cc/tools/mass/Alcor/
OS Version      : Microsoft Windows XP Professional Service Pack 3
Update Status   : The current version is the latest version!

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the capacity was reduced to 2.5 GB from HP DRIVE KEY PROG, the vid-pid were changed from the ALCOR specific prog.



#19 Wonko the Sane

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Posted 11 June 2013 - 06:20 PM

Look, maybe today I am more grumpy than usual :w00t: but when you pasted it didn't you realize that the *whatever* you pasted was a mishmash of rubbish?

And you really-really needed to re-post it, to further contribute to make the thread UNreadable?

 

If you can, cannot say if you are "authorized" to edit previous posts, can you delete that nonsense from your posts?

 

 

 

Controller model: AU6980/AU6983

This should confirm (also the 16 Gb size) that it is quite a recent controller model.

 

What does "Flash Drive Information Extractor" say?

http://translate.goo...wbxzE82rtpibR5w

 

To compare, this is a typical output of the tool:

 

 

 

Volume: R:
Controller: Appotech DM8261
Possible Memory Chip(s): Not available
Flash ID: 45D798B2 288E
Flash CE: 1
Chip F/W: V1.0.00
Firmware Date: MAY 03 2011 14:02:41
VID: 8644
PID: 800B
Manufacturer: Zeroshel
Product: USB Flash Disk
Query Vendor ID: Jaclaz
Query Product ID: USB Flash Disk
Query Product Revision: 1.00
Physical Disk Capacity: 2003828736 Bytes
Windows Disk Capacity: 104026112 Bytes
Internal Tags: 5C2R-8M4A
File System: FAT32
Relative Offset: 31 KB
USB Version: 2.00
Max. Power: 500 mA
ContMeas ID: 0F55-01-00
Microsoft Windows XP SP3
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http://www.antspec.com/usbflashinfo/
Program Version: 7.5.0.480

 

 

:cheers:

Wonko 



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Posted 11 June 2013 - 07:47 PM

I'm very sorry , I cannot technically  reedit my previous  post ( possibly just the forum mgmt can ) , to cancel..the rubbish..anyway coming out from chipeasy v.1.4.5, and I do not understand at all the reason of that output.

the output of usbflashinfo is reported above, I copy just the first lines..

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Volume: K:
Controller: Alcor AU6925 A61
Possible Memory Chip(s):
  Intel 29F16B16MCME1
  Intel 29F16B08CAME1
  Intel 29F16B08CCME3
  Intel 29F16B08CCME2
Memory Type: MLC
Flash ID: 8988244B A9
etc...etc...

http://www.antspec.com/usbflashinfo/
Program Version: 7.5.0.480



#21 Wonko the Sane

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Posted 11 June 2013 - 08:11 PM

Controller: Alcor AU6925 A61

This seems a lot more "narrow" than what the other utilities reported.

But cannot find *anything* about a AU6925 controller :w00t:

 

Maybe a typo for 6985?

 

But then nothing about the "A61"  :frusty:

 

 

:cheers:

Wonko

 

P.S.: On the other hand F/W F508 (from Chipgenius) seems to lead to:

http://translate.goo...bases/fwaucode/

http://translate.goo...13020500-m0328/

 

So I would try AlcorMP_v13.02.05.00 first thing.

http://translate.goo...ru/files/alcor/

http://www.usbdev.ru/?wpfb_dl=2976



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Posted 12 June 2013 - 05:51 AM

welll....solved..formatted to about 12GB as indicated by h2testw..through alcor-mp v.13.02.05  as suggested by you.

I avoided to try with the other dozens of alcor files.

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Posted 12 June 2013 - 08:17 AM

welll....solved..formatted to about 12GB as indicated by h2testw..through alcor-mp v.13.02.05  as suggested by you.

I avoided to try with the other dozens of alcor files.

(^________________^)

thks

Good. :)

Though 12 GB sounds a "queer" number, maybe the thingy was actually a 16 GB but one "bank" of memory got bad? :dubbio:

 

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Wonko



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Posted 12 June 2013 - 09:36 AM

maybe..but ,since the beginning  of the test of this unit ,h2testw report has shown :

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The media is  defective.
11.7 GByte OK (24657952 sectors)
50.7 GByte DATA LOST (106381280 sectors)
Details:0 KByte overwritten (0 sectors)
0 KByte slightly changed (< 8 bit/sector, 0 sectors)
50.7 GByte corrupted (106381280 sectors)

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the final result  (11.5 GB ..via "property")  is in line



#25 Wonko the Sane

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Posted 12 June 2013 - 09:58 AM

maybe..but ,since the beginning  of the test of this unit ,h2testw report has shown :

Sure :), but it also says "media defective".
What I mean is that normally sizes are 1/2/4/8/16/32/64/128 Gb and I have never seen a "12" Gb stick.

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