Making a living online, possible?
#1
Posted 09 February 2012 - 11:37 AM
The point was, that though we all have heared about all those ways to make money online, noone knew anyone, who makes enough to make a living of it.
My friend claims that this is, because there is noone in the whole world.
After doing some reseach today, i think he might be right. Nothing seems to pay enough per hour, to make a living of it.
Does anyone here makes a living online or knows someone personly that does?
Excluded are all businesses, that just happens to sell online instead of a store.
#2
Posted 09 February 2012 - 12:09 PM
Many people work at home remotely, does this count?
Some people set up fake sites, phishing sites, scam sites, etc. does that count?
Some people are professional online gamblers (poker, horse racing, etc.) does that count?
I know people who buy and sell on eBay (source from car boot sales, charity shops, etc.)
Or do you just mean - does anyone make much money from running their own website or websites that carry adverts but don't directly sell products?
#3
Posted 09 February 2012 - 12:57 PM
All of the above do not count, imo, there is no new quality, to working from home for your company, over working from your office for your company, to countI know someone who is an investor and who buys and sells online - does this count?
Many people work at home remotely, does this count?
Some people are professional online gamblers (poker, horse racing, etc.) does that count?
I know people who buy and sell on eBay (source from car boot sales, charity shops, etc.)
btw. I don't believe in the professional gambler lore, as a way to make a living.
I would count this, as it is truly a online activity, which would not work without internet.Some people set up fake sites, phishing sites, scam sites, etc. does that count?
Basicly all non traditional business models count. Also everything that woudn't work without the internet.Or do you just mean - does anyone make much money from running their own website or websites that carry adverts but don't directly sell products?
For instance, a single person, who sells it's software online, would still count, a big company not.
#4
Posted 10 February 2012 - 06:25 AM
#5
Posted 10 February 2012 - 08:21 AM
There are several ways to get paid, doing mostly advertising, which is suppose to not look like it.
Like writing in your blog about how great ??? is.
You have no blog? You can make money writing for someone elses blog.
There are also sites which pay for reviews.
Writig is not your thing? You can upload videos to youtube and get paid per view.
My daughter is creating content in the rendering community and makes considerably more than her allowance.
All the above are sure ways to get paid, IF and only if you're good at it.
There are also some "jobs" that require no talent, like clicking on ads, taking online surveys and such.
Those jobs pay really poorly. I read that a max. of 10$ should be possible a month per provider.
And then there is having a site with high user traffic like reboot.pro and selling ad space.
PS:Too bad i can't include writing scripts here.
#6
Posted 10 February 2012 - 09:13 AM
Working online works best if you keep a sharp mind and invest your time in learning good skills. What I have done in the past when studying was applying to translation works from English to my native language (Portuguese). It was a boring task and paid little over 30 USD per day. However, working hard (while studying at the same time) became possible to gather around 600 USD per month, helping me to support my family and studies tuition in hard times.
If translating is not your strong, many times I also applied for requests of article writing and that would provide around 5 to 15 USD per article of ~500 words, however, it takes up a considerable time and research effort to write an accepted article. To make things worse, many times I found people who would get the article and then reply it didn't met their quality standards to then skip any payment and keep your work. Translations are usually less problematic..
Another option is programming on request, as seen here: http://forums.digita...splay.php?f=116
I sold sites and web domains in the past (such as sqliteforum.com: http://www.nunobrito...m-was-sold.html), not enough to be something reliable or punctual.
If reboot.pro and winbuilder provided enough subsistence to work on them all day long, I would surely live very happy and publish more projects and quality works. However, it is not the case and I work hard to build up a career in real life just like all the other folks around here.
#7
Posted 10 February 2012 - 10:01 AM
#8
Posted 10 February 2012 - 10:57 AM
Pay per view, pay per click, pay per business.
From the former to the later it get's harder to get good rates. On the other hand, from the later to the former the payout per unit drops.
The best business model, i have seen so far, is, living in a low income country and selling over ebay in a high income country.
#9
Posted 10 February 2012 - 01:01 PM
What community are you talking about?My daughter is creating content in the rendering community and makes considerably more than her allowance.
#10
Posted 10 February 2012 - 01:27 PM
#11
Posted 10 February 2012 - 10:26 PM
So, it is possible - just not necessarily probable.
#12
Posted 10 February 2012 - 11:07 PM
I guess another condition would be to "Identify, Form and Fulfill the Need". Since most obvious transferable to web activities are seems to be covered by now, if not overflown, inventiveness is about the only passway to a Facebook like income. What's interesting, web related inventiveness proven more suited for younger folks - don't know why, may be sensing better if a trend may become HOT, and envisioning a broader range of possible transforms.You can also be "lucky" (i.e. be in the right place at the right time).
Still, no country's economy moved towards web to such a degree that was envisioned when Al Gore "invented the web". Yet these guys managed to create millions of new jobs without significant infrastructure investments, and this talent is nowhere present in current policy makers, they reverted back to oil based economy and related wars, or economic countries hijacking. One starts wondering, wasn't it obvious at election time or forming bureaucratic structures like EU?
So, may be the right way to increase web generated income for all is to elect the right people to power? How interesting its all connected...
#13
Posted 11 February 2012 - 01:26 AM
Another option might be http://www.vworker.com/Another option is programming on request, as seen here: http://forums.digita...splay.php?f=116
#14
Posted 11 February 2012 - 03:09 AM
#15
Posted 11 February 2012 - 03:13 AM
Well, but you are breaking the rule of the game as that is not am "assured" income.you can also make money on youtube see ray william jonson
There are no guarantees under the YouTube Partner agreement about how much, or whether, you will be paid. Earnings are generated based on a share of advertising revenue generated when people view your video - the more views you get, the more money you'll make. Please review the agreement for more details.
#16
Posted 11 February 2012 - 08:10 AM
Another option might be http://www.vworker.com/
Given the fact, that most people do not make 3 times the money they need, in their offline job, i would guess that one can't make a living of that.Affordable: 36-80% cheaper than traditional hiring.
#17
Posted 11 February 2012 - 08:24 AM
I think the problem is more that business on the internet is stupid.What's interesting, web related inventiveness proven more suited for younger folks - don't know why, may be sensing better if a trend may become HOT, and envisioning a broader range of possible transforms.
For instance, people are willing to shell out money for phone apps and games, something they can easily live without. Yet noone is willing to pay for winbuilder scripts and projects, something that makes work a lot easier for a lot of people.
Does this make sense, to waste money rather, than to invest it?
What about people fooling themselfs by calling their facebook buddies their friends? Those arn't friends. They're not even acquaintances.
#18
Posted 11 February 2012 - 11:22 AM
Quite unrelated though, I can't resist myself from saying that, once upon a time I was in a silent competition with myself in increasing my FB contact list. A while later, I realized how "fool" I was & what sort of security threat it might posses & un-friended a bunch of those so-called friends. Now, my FB contact list is quite small & contains only those people who are "known" (both in form of real world & online acquaintances) to me.What about people fooling themselfs by calling their facebook buddies their friends? Those arn't friends. They're not even acquaintances.
#19
Posted 11 February 2012 - 11:38 AM
Does this make sense, to waste money rather, than to invest it?
Things like this:
http://www.plop.at/e...mngrusblog.html
are those that are really saddening.Last but not least: Because of the flop of the commercial licence (only 1 sold licence) I changed the licence back to free for commercial use. I don't want to think longer about the commercial stuff. That demotivates too much. However, the donation path was not really better, only 9 donations in 1 year (with a few hundret thousand downloads). I think, I don't have to comment that. It's a wonder that I released 5.0.14 version.
Elmar is a really nice guy, giving away his nice work for free to non-commercial users and asking for a very reasonable fee for commercial, he is not going to make a living out of it, but maybe he could pay the site hosting expenses and a few beers/Sachertorten/whatever.
I think I could find here on reboot.pro several peeps that did post about PLoP - and clearly use it at work.
So no, it is unlikely that anyone will make a living out of the web.
Wonko
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#20
Posted 11 February 2012 - 12:18 PM
If people wouldn't buy in general on the net, it would make at least some sense.I think I could find here on reboot.pro several peeps that did post about PLoP - and clearly use it at work.
So no, it is unlikely that anyone will make a living out of the web.
But it's like:
A:) "You need this medicine or you die."
B:) "I don't pay for medicine! Hey look lollipops! Two dozend please."
#21
Posted 11 February 2012 - 02:15 PM
Some cleanup after a nice EBay trade:
And of course one needs reliable web commerce tools:
#22
Posted 11 February 2012 - 04:11 PM
Last but not least: Because of the flop of the commercial licence (only 1 sold licence) I changed the licence back to free for commercial use. I don't want to think longer about the commercial stuff. That demotivates too much. However, the donation path was not really better, only 9 donations in 1 year (with a few hundret thousand downloads). I think, I don't have to comment that. It's a wonder that I released 5.0.14 version.
Ditto for many other developers around here. However, having hundred thousand downloads is a good result. Helps to build a reputation on real life as a developer with demonstrable success and gain experience "on the wild" rather than "contracted" by a company to a develop a product that is delivered and forgotten.
If our work online helps to build a good reputation in real life, the outcome is not really so bad.
Yet, sure it would be nice to do this all day long as a living. Perhaps one day we can provide better conditions to our developers.
#23
Posted 11 February 2012 - 04:35 PM
Writing in your job application: "I have worked my butt off for years, on a free project on the internet." has not even close to the impact of: "I did sloppy work at M$."
If you wanna build a reputation, to profit from in the real world, you'll have to build that reputation in the real world.
#24
Posted 11 February 2012 - 04:47 PM
Yep, if one day Team Reboot continues to come first in all the CTFs held across the globe, then also I don't think that any of the members can put it on their resume & can earn some +ve points in job market. Whatever we do out here are solely quenching our own thirst of knowledge & social networking in some other form.Writing in your job application: "I have worked my butt off for years, on a free project on the internet." has not even close to the impact of: "I did sloppy work at M$."
#25
Posted 11 February 2012 - 04:53 PM
Maybe first step would be starting to come first in a single one?Yep, if one day Team Reboot continues to come first in all the CTFs held across the globe, then also I don't think that any of the members can put it on their resume & can earn some +ve points in job market.
@Medevil
We have at least one single example of someone that got famous online and got hired from MS: Mark Russinovich
http://en.wikipedia....ark_Russinovich
Wonko
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