install win 98 whitout CD
#1
Posted 19 March 2010 - 03:19 PM
i have an acer aspire one and i want to install a win 98, i know i can install it from hard disk or flash disk, the problem is how could i boot ???
is there a way to make a flash disk like an old floppy boot disk (win 98) ?
thanks
#2
Posted 19 March 2010 - 06:32 PM
is there a way to make a flash disk like an old floppy boot disk (win 98) ?
Yes and No, but actually you don't need to.
You can make a USB stick booting DOS allright, and from it install the Windows 98, though you will probably need some work of preparation of the Windowss source, if I am not mistaken.
The questions are:
Have you already a bootable USB stick?
If yes, which OS does it boot?
Like:
- DOS <- IO.SYS
- Windows NT/2K/XP/2003 or PE 1.x <-NTLDR
- Windows Vista :wodoo:/2008/7 or PE 2.x/2.x <- BOOTMGR
- Linux <-GRUB, Syslinux or Grub2
- Other <- like grub4dos, GAG, PLoP, Gujin, etc., etc.
If NO, which OS are you currently running?
There is a thread here:
http://www.msfn.org/...howtopic=122401
about running Win98 on an eeePC, though the hardware is different, the general principles should be the same.
Wonko
#3
Posted 19 March 2010 - 08:35 PM
i have no bootable Usb Stick yet and i'm running a win XP SP3.
#4
Posted 20 March 2010 - 08:58 AM
thanks for replying,
i have no bootable Usb Stick yet and i'm running a win XP SP3.
Well, you need at least a non-bootable USB stick in order to make it bootable.
The best would probably be to make it an "XP bootable, i.e. invoking NTLDR" stick, and then add to it the DOS files or a DOS image through grub4dos.
You can use any of the programs listed here:
http://www.boot-land...?showtopic=9460
But most probably all you need is just to make it boot DOS, then you can use among those, RMPREPUSB or BOOTICE (leave alone FBINST for the moment).
Wonko
#5
Posted 20 March 2010 - 04:50 PM
Actually i made a bootable usb stick with hp usb disk storage format tool and a source for win 98 boot, but that doesn't give me what i want:Well, you need at least a non-bootable USB stick in order to make it bootable.
i boot from the usb and i have an invite command like (C:\ .. ) and i can't access the my hard disk !!
so i spent all the day trying to do all kind of stuffs with grub4dos, but i just don't know how to make it.
Here is what i want in other words, i have an image CD for win 98 and i want to boot from the usb to re-partition all the hard disk then format it, and install the win 98 os !!
i'm sure there is a way to do it.
ps: i have tried to make a usb disk bootable using winimage and a bootdisk image but it doesn't work !! don't know even why !!
i appreciate your help.
#6
Posted 20 March 2010 - 05:17 PM
How is the internal disk partitioned/formatted right now?
What happens if from the USB bootable stick you run FDISK?
Can you see two drives (option 5) or not?
If I am not mistaken the Aspire one uses a SATA internal drive, it should have a setting in BIOS to set it in "compatibility mode" or "IDE mode" or something like it, but DOS should see the disk (not necessarily the "drive"(s) or partition(s) in it) normally anyway.
Wonko
#7
Posted 20 March 2010 - 08:23 PM
What do you mean "cannot access"?.
in the begining i couldn't execute any command, so i copied the "executables" from a image boot disk, then when i run fdisk, i have only one partition : the USB stick it becomes the first partition "C:\".
How is the internal disk partitioned/formatted right now?
Normally i have 3 partitions, c:, d: and one partition for mandriva linux, but my linux is damaged right now.
When i turn on my laptop, i have grub on the first screen, then i must choose windows for XP boot.
i hope now you understand the situation a little x) !!
#8
Posted 20 March 2010 - 08:49 PM
when i run fdisk, i have only one partition : the USB stick it becomes the first partition "C:\".
I wasn't talking about partitions.
I was talking about disk drives.
When you run FDISK there are TWO possibilities
- if you have one disk you have a menu with 4 items
- if you have more than one disk you have a menu with 5 of them
I.e. are you seeing this:
http://en.wikipedia..../File:Fdisk.gif
or this:
http://www.buildeasy...pics/fdisk2.gif
Wonko
#9
Posted 20 March 2010 - 09:27 PM
Disk Drv Mbytes Free Usage 1 973 C: 943 2 21553 100% 34462 12300 2338 17987in disk 2 the second partition must have more space (97.6 GB)
#10
Posted 21 March 2010 - 11:34 AM
Supposed that i can see the rest of the disk, how can i re-format it from the usb stick ? for then install win 98 ..
Thanks
#11
Posted 21 March 2010 - 01:44 PM
You do see the internal disk.I guess that's not so important now, like you said i have (SATA MODE) in my BIOS, i can set it to AHCI ou IDE, but it doesn't make any changes for the fdisk, informations about my disk using BOOTPART:
...
Only it contains a number of partitions and partition types that FDISK cannot simply know about.
You will need to set the Disk Controller in IDE mode anyway to install and run Windows98 (unless some drivers for the SATA controller can be found, but this is another and later problem)
Supposed that i can see the rest of the disk, how can i re-format it from the usb stick ? for then install win 98 ..
We need some disambiguation.
You DO NOT "format a disk", you format a partition on it (and you need to create the partition beforehand).
DOS 7.x (please read as Win98 system files) normally needs to be installed on a FAT16 or FAT32 Primary (Active and First) partition.
You haven't any such a partition right now, you have a Primary NTFS one (first, active primary) and an Extended one containing:
- one NTFS (first, active primary)
- one Linux Swap
- two Linux Native
What is your final goal (choose one):
- boot Windows 98 ONLY
- boot Windows 98 and XP in dual booting
- boot Windows 98 and XP in dual booting WITHOUT re-installng XP
- something else (please describe it)
Wonko
#12
Posted 21 March 2010 - 02:29 PM
Thanks a lot for this reply, i was waiting for it !!
Then if i must chose, my goal will be number 2, but i'm interesting in number 1 too, what is the difference ?
#13
Posted 21 March 2010 - 03:20 PM
Hi,
Thanks a lot for this reply, i was waiting for it !!
Then if i must chose, my goal will be number 2, but i'm interesting in number 1 too, what is the difference ?
It depends on how you want to setup your system.
#2 is simply #1 + additional steps (re-installing XP).
What I usually recommend is to have anyway one (FAT16 or FAT32) Primary Active Partition to which to install DOS/Windows 98 and the NTLDR, and all the rest of the drive in a big Extended partition with several volumes in it.
If you follow this scheme, which BTW is the same you are having right now (only you have the primary active partition as NTFS) you can do both #1 and #2 with not much fuss.
If I were you I would add to the stick RPM (Ranish Partition Manager) and use it instead of FDISK (but you can use FDISK allright) to delete the first "non-DOS" partition on your internal hard disk, and recreate it formatting it as FAT32. Mind you your current XP install will be lost.
Then, SYS that partition and try booting from it.
Then copy the contents of 98 CD on the hard disk (DO use SMARTDRV or it will take forever).
Then install the 98 from internal hard disk.
I.e. follow this (but using your stick instead of the floppy AND the CD):
http://www.bucks.edu...98SEinstall.htm
Wonko
#14
Posted 21 March 2010 - 05:32 PM
now i will try all this, then i must look for drivers ( this is another and late
problem ) !!
If I were you I would add t the stick RPM (Ranish Partition Manager) and use it instead of FDISK (but you can use FDISK allright) to delete the first "non-DOS" partition on your internal hard disk, and recreate it formatting it as FAT32. Mind you your current XP install will be lost.
I think i will use RPM, it's the first time i know it, i try it and it looks good i have informations about all the disk.
i will tell you if that works for me, thank youuuu !!!
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